Offshore Oil Drilling

[kat8585]

1) You really think it's ok for us to keep paying higher qnd higher gas AND FOOD prices because liberals don't want to drill and want prices high?????? Even tho it's forcing some people to choose between food and gas? Can you honestly say you think this is ok??

2) "If we were to start drilling TODAY, there would be no effect on gas prices since it takes about 10 years to get oil to market from an X marks the spot drilling situation." "Then we'd better get started", to quote liberal congressman Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii, the only Dem I know of with any sense about this.

3) Don't forget, that same excuse has been used before, when Bill Clinton vetoed drilling. If we'd started then, we'd have much cheaper gas now.

1) I didn't think this needed to be addressed since it's not a serious question but OK. As I've said on several occasions in this thread already, opening up the continental shelf or ANWR will not decrease the price of gasoline. Another misunderstanding that you have, based on partisan people repeating this lie, is that liberals don't want to drill for oil. Most (not all) liberals don't want to risk damage to a national wildlife refuge when it's not necessary. Is that hard to understand? Why do something that is unnecessary? OK, so in 10 years we'll get a little bit of oil out of it but don't we want to be off gasoline in 10 years? So why start drilling now for something we won't need in 10 years?

2) So if I were to quote a republican who is against it, then would you agree? I didn't think so, so why should I care what one misguided politician thinks?

3) Let me state this AGAIN for you. The market is well supplied and refinery capacity still has 20% more to go before we would need more refinerys. If we shift from gasoline to alternatives we'll never need to add capacity. Why do something that is unnecessary? Therefore, since the market is "well supplied" and we are not out of refining capacity the price of gas would be the same as it is today. Additional drilling having not effect.

Savvy?

Not a serious question???????? Can you afford to pay $5, $6, $7, $8 for gas, with no end in sight? No one I know can. You didn't even answer the first question. All you did was demonstrate that you've been drinking the liberal kool aid. If we even said we were going to drill, the price would go down.

I've only heard one Dem say we need to drill. Every other one is vehemently opposed. It is necessary. We will get a lot of oil, especially if we drill everywhere we can in the US, especially in Colorado. Then there is coal, which libs are opposed to. And we do need refineries.

How are you so sure we will have alternatives in 10 years? By the way, the 10 years thing is a myth. We could have it sooner. We'd better do what we know we can do, now. Everything.

If a Repub was against it, I'd say he was dead wrong. But it's funny that only one Dem is for it.

[MorningGlory]

Life is definitely better when you know the truth.

Yes, it is. So make your life better and learn some.

[kat8585]

1) You really think it's ok for us to keep paying higher qnd higher gas AND FOOD prices because liberals don't want to drill and want prices high?????? Even tho it's forcing some people to choose between food and gas? Can you honestly say you think this is ok??

2) "If we were to start drilling TODAY, there would be no effect on gas prices since it takes about 10 years to get oil to market from an X marks the spot drilling situation." "Then we'd better get started", to quote liberal congressman Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii, the only Dem I know of with any sense about this.

3) Don't forget, that same excuse has been used before, when Bill Clinton vetoed drilling. If we'd started then, we'd have much cheaper gas now.

1) I didn't think this needed to be addressed since it's not a serious question but OK. As I've said on several occasions in this thread already, opening up the continental shelf or ANWR will not decrease the price of gasoline. Another misunderstanding that you have, based on partisan people repeating this lie, is that liberals don't want to drill for oil. Most (not all) liberals don't want to risk damage to a national wildlife refuge when it's not necessary. Is that hard to understand? Why do something that is unnecessary? OK, so in 10 years we'll get a little bit of oil out of it but don't we want to be off gasoline in 10 years? So why start drilling now for something we won't need in 10 years?

2) So if I were to quote a republican who is against it, then would you agree? I didn't think so, so why should I care what one misguided politician thinks?

3) Let me state this AGAIN for you. The market is well supplied and refinery capacity still has 20% more to go before we would need more refinerys. If we shift from gasoline to alternatives we'll never need to add capacity. Why do something that is unnecessary? Therefore, since the market is "well supplied" and we are not out of refining capacity the price of gas would be the same as it is today. Additional drilling having not effect.

Savvy?

Not a serious question???????? Can you afford to pay $5, $6, $7, $8 for gas, with no end in sight? No one I know can. You didn't even answer the first question. All you did was demonstrate that you've been drinking the liberal kool aid. If we even said we were going to drill, the price would go down.

I've only heard one Dem say we need to drill. Every other one is vehemently opposed. It is necessary. We will get a lot of oil, especially if we drill everywhere we can in the US, especially in Colorado. Then there is coal, which libs are opposed to. And we do need refineries.

How are you so sure we will have alternatives in 10 years? By the way, the 10 years thing is a myth. We could have it sooner. We'd better do what we know we can do, now. Everything.

If a Repub was against it, I'd say he was dead wrong. But it's funny that only one Dem is for it.

Do Unto Others, I know it's like pulling teeth, but this is supposed to be dialog. Can you respond to post #92?

[chapmac]

1) Not a serious question???????? Can you afford to pay $5, $6, $7, $8 for gas, with no end in sight? No one I know can.

2) You didn't even answer the first question.

3) All you did was demonstrate that you've been drinking the liberal kool aid. If we even said we were going to drill, the price would go down.

4) I've only heard one Dem say we need to drill. Every other one is vehemently opposed. It is necessary. We will get a lot of oil, especially if we drill everywhere we can in the US, especially in Colorado.

5) Then there is coal, which libs are opposed to. And we do need refineries.

6) How are you so sure we will have alternatives in 10 years? By the way, the 10 years thing is a myth. We could have it sooner. We'd better do what we know we can do, now. Everything.

If a Repub was against it, I'd say he was dead wrong. But it's funny that only one Dem is for it.

1) What part of the fact - opening up drilling off the continental shelf or ANWR will not decrease gas prices - don't you understand? No, I can't afford to pay those kind of prices but drilling won't solve that problem. I can't quite figure out why you insist on saying it will when industry professionals say it won't.

2) I have since. I won't however keep answering the same question over and over again.

3) Oh I see, so you ask a question and I give you the answer but since you don't like the truth you just call it "drinking the liberal kool aid" and continue to ask it. I provided facts and links to those facts, so if you want to ignore the truth, there is little more that can be done.

4) and for good reason, because it won't help gas prices and is unnecessary, as I've shown you.

5) Yes there is coal. It can be used cleanly but that basically requires modern plants using new technology to burn clean and recover C02 emissions. I'd rather see more effort put into solar, wind and nuclear.

6) Because we are an industrius people who can accomplish just about anything if we set our minds to it. You're right though, we could accomplish this in less time but 10 years is a reasonable goal if we pull our heads out and get to work.

[kat8585]

1) What part of the fact - opening up drilling off the continental shelf or ANWR will not decrease gas prices - don't you understand? No, I can't afford to pay those kind of prices but drilling won't solve that problem. I can't quite figure out why you insist on saying it will when industry professionals say it won't.

So increasing supply won't help? The only ones I've heard say it won't are liberals who want the price high. They offer no solutions. Every other country but us has brains enough to use their resources, not let them sit in the ground while they pay high prices to people who want to kill them. How insane is that?

2) I have since. I won't however keep answering the same question over and over again.

This is the question you haven't answered yet:

You really think it's ok for us to keep paying higher and higher gas AND FOOD prices because liberals don't want to drill and want prices high?????? Even tho it's forcing some people to choose between food and gas? Can you honestly say you think this is ok??

3) Oh I see, so you ask a question and I give you the answer but since you don't like the truth you just call it "drinking the liberal kool aid" and continue to ask it. I provided facts and links to those facts, so if you want to ignore the truth, there is little more that can be done.

4) and for good reason, because it won't help gas prices and is unnecessary, as I've shown you.

5) Yes there is coal. It can be used cleanly but that basically requires modern plants using new technology to burn clean and recover C02 emissions. I'd rather see more effort put into solar, wind and nuclear.

Solar, wind and nuclear is going to bring down the price of gas??

6) Because we are an industrius people who can accomplish just about anything if we set our minds to it. You're right though, we could accomplish this in less time but 10 years is a reasonable goal if we pull our heads out and get to work.

At last you are right!

[MorningGlory]

'non sequitur'

Hey....this time you spelled it right!

[MorningGlory]

'non sequitur'

Hey....this time you spelled it right!

I highly doubt that you really want to play gotcha grammar. Especially since you'd have to correct everyone's spelling/fatfinger mistakes in order to keep from looking like you're singling out an individial.

Well, you highly doubt wrong. I am posting to an arrogant individual who tries to disparage the education and knowledge of others without the resources to do so. Oh...and it's 'individual'.

[The Lorax]

We shouldn't have refineries at 80 percent. They should be at 100 percent all the time. That shows we don't have an adequate supply, at least we wouldn't if gas prices were reasonable. Here is a pretty basic economic concept. High prices reduce consumption. We need more oil, and lower prices, and that means we need to drill wherever oil can be found, get all current refineries up to 100 percent capacity, not 80 percent, and build additional refineries till gas prices are back under $2 per gallon where they belong.

You don't seem to understand the problem.

The soaring prices aren't a result of short supply. The prices are primarily a result of SPECULATION about short supply.

You're set on drilling, drilling, drilling, when supply isn't the main problem and drilling is not a good solution. If we did drill offshore and in ANWR, the US wouldn't even see any real benefit within the next 5 years. However, we could change prices overnight if we got the speculation under control. And that's one reason I'm voting for Obama. He's doing something about speculation and McCain isn't.

[MorningGlory]

'non sequitur'

Hey....this time you spelled it right!

I highly doubt that you really want to play gotcha grammar. Especially since you'd have to correct everyone's spelling/fatfinger mistakes in order to keep from looking like you're singling out an individial.

Well, you highly doubt wrong. I am posting to an arrogant individual who tries to disparage the education and knowledge of others without the resources to do so. Oh...and it's 'individual'.

I'm not trying to disparage anyones education and knowledge and I'm not being arrogant. Just because I'm correcting some misinformation, that makes me arrogant?

What you are doing is being petty. Is that what Jesus would do? I certainly hope you don't make any typographical errors...

Petty? No...I'm giving it serious effort; this is what Jesus would do to correct someone without cursing them or yelling at them. If you don't want to be flaked off...don't presume to correct others' comments unless you're sure of your facts and treat others as you would like to be treated (isn't that what your username is all about?). It's a valuable lesson that we all have to learn and, if I do make a typographical error....I'll expect to be corrected. I can handle it.

[MorningGlory]

Butero: You stated that refineries are only at 80 percent capacity. Those were your numbers, not mine.

Do Unto Others: No, those were oil company executives testifying to Congress. I think they know better than you.

That must be old data or a misquoting of the oil execs when they testified. From MSNBC....

"But even as the peak summer driving season winds down, U.S. refiners continue to operate nearly flat out. As of this week, the industry is producing gasoline and other end products at something like 98 percent of capacity. And with the overall growth in demand for motor fuels and heating oil showing no signs of slowing, prices will continue to be driven as much by tight refining capacity as by the recent run-up in crude prices."