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I saw this response in the Atheist thread:

See, what you don't know about me and the majority of atheists and agnostics is we've already been down the christianity road. It's not that we've never "opened our hearts to jesus" or "asked God for guidance." Nothing has ever revealed itself to me and I lived most of my life as a christian. To me, it's very hard to continue to have faith in something that I believe now is just a myth. If it works for you, great. I wouldn't disbelieve either if there had been any proof whatsover. To me, praying to god has the same effect as praying to a brick.

I discovered a very old thread with this topic but would like to revisit it.

When the above poster stated, "the majority of atheists and agnostics is we've already been down the christianity road," I thought of several friends of mine. Many of which were raised in Christian homes, said they were believers, got baptised, went to church, and are now pagans, atheists, or witches.

Some actually went to Christian schools and know the bible pretty good yet are now unbelievers and sceptics.

Once a believer, is it possible to be un-converted from Christianity? :emot-hug::):noidea: This topic has been stuck in my head for some time. Thanks for responding :)

The only problem I have with this atheist, is she/he reveals what I have questioned about them for a long time. By not stating directly the poster revealed that they were "expecting" something and/or in the way of evidence of God's existence. For as long as I can remember into my childhood, I've always known God existed and never had to ask for evidence or signs or miracles for further evidence. But that's just my experience! Even when I gave Testimony about my early age sexual abuse and reaching out to the Father whom I already knew would see me through what most humans think now is "orientational behavior" and MUST be genetic , and cannot be redeemed from, God healed my soul and heart and mended me and remolded me into a man whom many would come to respect and love. I give all my devotion and trust to God as HE has had it from "Day One!"

To sum up what I believe, the biggest mistake one can ask God is for evidence of HIS existence. This is not only blasphemy, it is also calling the God of the Bible a LIAR! And for that, I can quite understand why some would resort to atheism. It's the only way to save face in a Human existence where wealth and presteige, and power is in control for many.

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I saw this response in the Atheist thread:

See, what you don't know about me and the majority of atheists and agnostics is we've already been down the christianity road. It's not that we've never "opened our hearts to jesus" or "asked God for guidance." Nothing has ever revealed itself to me and I lived most of my life as a christian. To me, it's very hard to continue to have faith in something that I believe now is just a myth. If it works for you, great. I wouldn't disbelieve either if there had been any proof whatsover. To me, praying to god has the same effect as praying to a brick.

I discovered a very old thread with this topic but would like to revisit it.

When the above poster stated, "the majority of atheists and agnostics is we've already been down the christianity road," I thought of several friends of mine. Many of which were raised in Christian homes, said they were believers, got baptised, went to church, and are now pagans, atheists, or witches.

Some actually went to Christian schools and know the bible pretty good yet are now unbelievers and sceptics.

Once a believer, is it possible to be un-converted from Christianity? :emot-hug::):noidea: This topic has been stuck in my head for some time. Thanks for responding :)

The only problem I have with this atheist, is she/he reveals what I have questioned about them for a long time. By not stating directly the poster revealed that they were "expecting" something and/or in the way of evidence of God's existence. For as long as I can remember into my childhood, I've always known God existed and never had to ask for evidence or signs or miracles for further evidence. But that's just my experience! Even when I gave Testimony about my early age sexual abuse and reaching out to the Father whom I already knew would see me through what most humans think now is "orientational behavior" and MUST be genetic , and cannot be redeemed from, God healed my soul and heart and mended me and remolded me into a man whom many would come to respect and love. I give all my devotion and trust to God as HE has had it from "Day One!"

To sum up what I believe, the biggest mistake one can ask God is for evidence of HIS existence. This is not only blasphemy, it is also calling the God of the Bible a LIAR! And for that, I can quite understand why some would resort to atheism. It's the only way to save face in a Human existence where wealth and presteige, and power is in control for many.

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I saw this response in the Atheist thread:

See, what you don't know about me and the majority of atheists and agnostics is we've already been down the christianity road. It's not that we've never "opened our hearts to jesus" or "asked God for guidance." Nothing has ever revealed itself to me and I lived most of my life as a christian. To me, it's very hard to continue to have faith in something that I believe now is just a myth. If it works for you, great. I wouldn't disbelieve either if there had been any proof whatsover. To me, praying to god has the same effect as praying to a brick.

I discovered a very old thread with this topic but would like to revisit it.

When the above poster stated, "the majority of atheists and agnostics is we've already been down the christianity road," I thought of several friends of mine. Many of which were raised in Christian homes, said they were believers, got baptised, went to church, and are now pagans, atheists, or witches.

Some actually went to Christian schools and know the bible pretty good yet are now unbelievers and sceptics.

Once a believer, is it possible to be un-converted from Christianity? :emot-hug::):noidea: This topic has been stuck in my head for some time. Thanks for responding :)

The only problem I have with this atheist, is she/he reveals what I have questioned about them for a long time. By not stating directly the poster revealed that they were "expecting" something and/or in the way of evidence of God's existence. For as long as I can remember into my childhood, I've always known God existed and never had to ask for evidence or signs or miracles for further evidence. But that's just my experience! Even when I gave Testimony about my early age sexual abuse and reaching out to the Father whom I already knew would see me through what most humans think now is "orientational behavior" and MUST be genetic , and cannot be redeemed from, God healed my soul and heart and mended me and remolded me into a man whom many would come to respect and love. I give all my devotion and trust to God as HE has had it from "Day One!"

To sum up what I believe, the biggest mistake one can ask God is for evidence of HIS existence. This is not only blasphemy, it is also calling the God of the Bible a LIAR! And for that, I can quite understand why some would resort to atheism. It's the only way to save face in a Human existence where wealth and presteige, and power is in control for many.

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I saw this response in the Atheist thread:

See, what you don't know about me and the majority of atheists and agnostics is we've already been down the christianity road. It's not that we've never "opened our hearts to jesus" or "asked God for guidance." Nothing has ever revealed itself to me and I lived most of my life as a christian. To me, it's very hard to continue to have faith in something that I believe now is just a myth. If it works for you, great. I wouldn't disbelieve either if there had been any proof whatsover. To me, praying to god has the same effect as praying to a brick.

I discovered a very old thread with this topic but would like to revisit it.

When the above poster stated, "the majority of atheists and agnostics is we've already been down the christianity road," I thought of several friends of mine. Many of which were raised in Christian homes, said they were believers, got baptised, went to church, and are now pagans, atheists, or witches.

Some actually went to Christian schools and know the bible pretty good yet are now unbelievers and sceptics.

Once a believer, is it possible to be un-converted from Christianity? :emot-hug::):noidea: This topic has been stuck in my head for some time. Thanks for responding :)

The only problem I have with this atheist, is she/he reveals what I have questioned about them for a long time. By not stating directly the poster revealed that they were "expecting" something and/or in the way of evidence of God's existence. For as long as I can remember into my childhood, I've always known God existed and never had to ask for evidence or signs or miracles for further evidence. But that's just my experience! Even when I gave Testimony about my early age sexual abuse and reaching out to the Father whom I already knew would see me through what most humans think now is "orientational behavior" and MUST be genetic , and cannot be redeemed from, God healed my soul and heart and mended me and remolded me into a man whom many would come to respect and love. I give all my devotion and trust to God as HE has had it from "Day One!"

To sum up what I believe, the biggest mistake one can ask God is for evidence of HIS existence. This is not only blasphemy, it is also calling the God of the Bible a LIAR! And for that, I can quite understand why some would resort to atheism. It's the only way to save face in a Human existence where wealth and presteige, and power is in control for many.

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I know that these scriptures have been posted before in this thread, but they are very appropriate when it comes to be "un-converted."

The parable of the farmer:

Matthew 13:19 "When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and doesn't understand it, the evil one comes, and snatches away that which has been sown in his heart
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I saw this response in the Atheist thread:

See, what you don't know about me and the majority of atheists and agnostics is we've already been down the christianity road. It's not that we've never "opened our hearts to jesus" or "asked God for guidance." Nothing has ever revealed itself to me and I lived most of my life as a christian. To me, it's very hard to continue to have faith in something that I believe now is just a myth. If it works for you, great. I wouldn't disbelieve either if there had been any proof whatsover. To me, praying to god has the same effect as praying to a brick.

I discovered a very old thread with this topic but would like to revisit it.

When the above poster stated, "the majority of atheists and agnostics is we've already been down the christianity road," I thought of several friends of mine. Many of which were raised in Christian homes, said they were believers, got baptised, went to church, and are now pagans, atheists, or witches.

Some actually went to Christian schools and know the bible pretty good yet are now unbelievers and sceptics.

Once a believer, is it possible to be un-converted from Christianity? :cool::laugh::noidea: This topic has been stuck in my head for some time. Thanks for responding :)

The truth is angelique is that none of these people were truly ever saved. They may have been raised in a Christian way,, or called themselves Christians, or believed they were.....but the fruit of their life reveals the truth.

The Bible says that salvation is of God Himself and that He who has begun a good work WILL complete it. When God saves you and starts the work of sanctification that work WILL continue, it does not just ' end'; especially because someone 'decides to stop believing'.

In North America we tend to believe that everyone is a good person and that everyone who is raised in a Christian home or who calls themselves a Christian is automatically one. But this just isn't so.

"For where your treasure is there will your heart be also" Jesus said. If a person's treasure and heart is in God and His ways they will live like it; if they turn to rebellion, witchcraft, atheism etc...that reveals the true treasure of their heart.

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I saw this response in the Atheist thread:

See, what you don't know about me and the majority of atheists and agnostics is we've already been down the christianity road. It's not that we've never "opened our hearts to jesus" or "asked God for guidance." Nothing has ever revealed itself to me and I lived most of my life as a christian. To me, it's very hard to continue to have faith in something that I believe now is just a myth. If it works for you, great. I wouldn't disbelieve either if there had been any proof whatsover. To me, praying to god has the same effect as praying to a brick.

I discovered a very old thread with this topic but would like to revisit it.

When the above poster stated, "the majority of atheists and agnostics is we've already been down the christianity road," I thought of several friends of mine. Many of which were raised in Christian homes, said they were believers, got baptised, went to church, and are now pagans, atheists, or witches.

Some actually went to Christian schools and know the bible pretty good yet are now unbelievers and sceptics.

Once a believer, is it possible to be un-converted from Christianity? :whistling::rolleyes::blink: This topic has been stuck in my head for some time. Thanks for responding :cool:

Hi Angelique,

To answer your question. I think so. There are many who would reference a verse that implies 'no man can pluck us out of God's hand'....and I believe that. But there are also scriptures saying we have to 'make sure our salvation' or others that imply that someone who has received the Holy Ghost can fall away. I choose to not ignore either Scriptures.

I think salvation is a gift, but I think this gift can be given back. I think it is a conscious decision to reject Christ and choose the World, after the point of salvation. To me it seems a rather idiotic decision....but I do not doubt that some make it.

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I know that these scriptures have been posted before in this thread, but they are very appropriate when it comes to be "un-converted."

The parable of the farmer:

Matthew 13:19 "When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and doesn't understand it, the evil one comes, and snatches away that which has been sown in his heart
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Hi Angelique,

To answer your question. I think so. There are many who would reference a verse that implies 'no man can pluck us out of God's hand'....and I believe that. But there are also scriptures saying we have to 'make sure our salvation' or others that imply that someone who has received the Holy Ghost can fall away. I choose to not ignore either Scriptures.

I think salvation is a gift, but I think this gift can be given back. I think it is a conscious decision to reject Christ and choose the World, after the point of salvation. To me it seems a rather idiotic decision....but I do not doubt that some make it.

so if God is all knowing (PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE)...why would he give you salvation just so you can return it?

He shouldnt give it to you in the first place. Saves you your time and God an embarrassment.

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It doesn't mean that I was never a Christian nor that I was ever saved. It means that AFTER I was saved I wasn't completely converted to the life of Christianity and chose the pleasures of this life over God.
I would maintain that one, in your example, was never saved. Perhaps this is an example of a person who will hear from Christ on judgement day "I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity." Matthew 7:23 (WEB) Whether your example or mine, the outcome is the same; eternal seperation from God.
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