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Well, considering I had (2) other threads regarding this very thing, I consider this a little bit of a derailing, since I was perfectly happy with the other 2 threads. So, with that in mind, I'll remain on those, since I'm not even sure WHY another thread was started, unless it was just to detract from mine?

Shalom Suzanne,

<sigh>

This topic was started because it is the REAL question. The other threads are DIFFERENT topics with different questions and yet you wanted to discuss THIS topic there. It is much more honest and easier for people to follow when we simply are upfront and ask the question at the root.

It is very interesting that you refuse to discuss this issue openly but would rather beat around the bush. But, whatever.

And no, my motives were good, please refrain from falsely accusing what you do not know. You cannot judge motives, please stop trying.

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In any case, my two cents is (and always has been) as follows:

According to those who believe that works is necessary to sustain salvation, James 2:17 is interpreted "salvation without works is lost." But in fact, "faith without works is dead..." means no such thing. According to the proper interpretation, "dead" simply means "inoperative." Therefore faith and works go hand-in-hand as the twofold "engine" which causes believers to "grow up into Him" (Eph. 4:15). It is not that, without works, faith disappears and then must be regained by the believer. It is merely that works brought into function through faith sustains and enlivens the faith of the believer, causing him to grow and mature int he divine life.

Shalom Ovedya,

Amen! :24:

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Great post, damo1.

I was faced with that situation once, being sent a very substantial cheque by a government department to help finance the work I was doing, but one of the conditions was that I could not preach the gospel.

I sent the cheque back.

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Shalom Suzanne,

Is this the root of your other thread questions concerning works?

Are you saying that if a Believer does not do good works, they lose their salvation?

If not, please say what you are REALLY saying so I can understand your position and get to the real issues. Thank you.

Anyone else care to comment on this issue?

Well, it seems like a straightforward "yes" or "no" question... :24:

Sometimes I wonder why there are not more Christian Politicians. :24:

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I do not know why things get so confusing...

Vickilyn I loved your sigh...I almost heard it. :24:

We are all saved by Grace through faith. The topic is faith without works is dead..... It is sort of like somone saying Hey ya got faith...let me see ya prove it!!! ( in street language)

Faith requires action just saying you have it is worthless.

Obeying Jesus requires movement in faith.

That is why I believe one can not grow further than their faith. How can they.?!

:24::24::24: to this thread

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Shalom Suzanne,

Is this the root of your other thread questions concerning works?

Are you saying that if a Believer does not do good works, they lose their salvation?

If not, please say what you are REALLY saying so I can understand your position and get to the real issues. Thank you.

Anyone else care to comment on this issue?

Well, it seems like a straightforward "yes" or "no" question... :laugh:

Sometimes I wonder why there are not more Christian Politicians. :emot-nod:

Shalom Bib,

:blink: Amen!

I'm all for cutting to the chase, ceasing the double-talk and getting to the heart of the issue, which is THIS question in this topic.

It's important to be straightforward and not confuse the issues with dancing around it. As the title says, let's just say it!

Thanks for replying! :73_73:

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I just wanted to add...

If it's not all God, it's not God at all.

Shalom,

Exactly. Our righteousness is as filthy rags. Jesus is our righteousness.

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I agree with Bib here

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Ovedjah is correct. Faith without works is inoperative and bears no fruit, but I can't see that it being a reason for losing you salvation. A person who gets saved today and dies a week later hasn't much time to do good works.

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