nebula Posted November 6, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.74 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.84 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Michigan Voters to Decide Whether Nativity Scene Belongs on Public Property Tuesday, November 06, 2007 By Catherine Donaldson-Evans Does Baby Jesus have a place on public property? That's what voters in Berkley, Mich., were deciding Tuesday as they went to the polls to consider a measure that would return a nativity scene to the lawn outside their City Hall. Some residents of the town of more than 15,000 were outraged that the city and a local clergy association cut a deal with the American Civil Liberties Union to move a cr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Julia~ Posted November 6, 2007 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 59 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/12/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/01/1971 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I just finished reading this on foxnews...wild but not shocking. I have mixed feelings about this, being an ex-Catholic I'm tired of seeing a baby Jesus ...we know that our Saviour did GROW UP and what a life ! Also if you read on it also says; "It's always had secular items, We have a Santa Claus, Christmas trees, banners on our poles. It's a city that looks like it's celebrating Christmas. We also had a Star of David." Now that I'm born-again I view things differently, and I want to be far away from the likes of a "Santa Claus" that's just my opinion. Jul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunterpoet Posted November 7, 2007 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 128 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,704 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 25 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/29/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1950 Share Posted November 7, 2007 What Julua said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted November 7, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 7, 2007 The voters can challenge it all they want, but unless they want to burn the constitution, they are not going to get anywhere. The courts at all levels have consistently ruled that it is unconstitutional to use the government and or its institutions to endorse or promote religious beliefs. By placing a Nativity Scene on taxpayer property, thats exactly what is being done. The reason why the ACLU consistently wins in cases like this is that they have the constitution on their side. If you ask me, instead of using this as some culture war whipping post, us Christians ought to put our nativity scenes on private property and we ought to be more concerned with the rampant materialism and commercialism of Christmas as that is what is really wrong in how society treats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted November 7, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted November 7, 2007 The voters can challenge it all they want, but unless they want to burn the constitution, they are not going to get anywhere. The courts at all levels have consistently ruled that it is unconstitutional to use the government and or its institutions to endorse or promote religious beliefs. By placing a Nativity Scene on taxpayer property, thats exactly what is being done. The reason why the ACLU consistently wins in cases like this is that they have the constitution on their side. If you ask me, instead of using this as some culture war whipping post, us Christians ought to put our nativity scenes on private property and we ought to be more concerned with the rampant materialism and commercialism of Christmas as that is what is really wrong in how society treats it. Then why is it ok to install footwashing stalls for Muslims in public schools? And at taxpayer expense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kari21 Posted November 7, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 140 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,846 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/04/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/05/1987 Share Posted November 7, 2007 And another Christmas season begins............... *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted November 7, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted November 7, 2007 It gets worse every year, and just in the last few years it's gotten really bad. I don't even like Christmas any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kari21 Posted November 7, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 140 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,846 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/04/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/05/1987 Share Posted November 7, 2007 What annoys me to no end are people who are too afraid to say Merry Christmas anymore. "Happy Holidays" is a P.C. cop-out. There was a notice put up at my work last year that stated all employees were to refrain from saying 'Merry Christmas' so as not to offend the Muslims working there. Yet there were no restrictions against them yacking on and on about Ramadan. Also, the Muslims got to stop working during the times of prayer while other (non-muslim) employees had to cover their jobs until they were done! (The company finally ended that, thank goodness.) And if that wasn't bad enough, my company almost built a little mosque on company property for the Muslims to pray in during bad weather! (That one got shot down when Christian employees asked for a small chapel! ) THAT'S how bad it's getting! I don't even like Christmas any more. It's the ACLU's favorite time of the year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunterpoet Posted November 7, 2007 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 128 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,704 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 25 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/29/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1950 Share Posted November 7, 2007 It gets worse every year, and just in the last few years it's gotten really bad. I don't even like Christmas any more. I wasn't going to post to this, but I see alot of frustration, which I have felt in the past. 12 years ago I was very burdened by alot of things done in the name of christianity especially christmas. It all came to a head when just prior to the christmas service begining at church a women( I hadn't seen before) turned around to my (at the time) 5 yo and asked.." what did Santa bring you this year". Well, that did it for me...I talked it over with my wife and after some silly compromises we have refrained from celebrating, what I call, the secular christmas. No trees, wreaths , lights, parties or non-religious cards. We honor the birth of Christ, watch christmas specials( if any are on TV) and just relax and enjoy the day. The last 12 "christmases have been exceedingly more joyful than all the prior ones. No stress, no rushing around, no quilt" oh I forgot to buy so and so a gift" or " oh I already have one of those", " are the decorations pretty enough, etc. etc. So I guess it could be said that we( me and the family)are protesting the secular christmas by boycotting it. The fact is, we were never told to celebrate christmas. No where in the bile are we commanded to celebrate the birth of our Lord. Maybe thats why the seculars have had such great success in creating all the diversions. Food for thought. Grace and Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kari21 Posted November 7, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 140 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,846 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/04/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/05/1987 Share Posted November 7, 2007 No where in the bible are we commanded to celebrate the birth of our Lord. True. But it's not forbidden either. At that point, "let your conscience be your guide." Glad you brought personal joy back into Christmas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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