Gods blessings

[freefromfaith]

I still dont think you get the concept of being a child and being a creation. My child is my child. Those who are God's children still mess up. But the promise does not fade for HIS CHILDREN. My child wont suffer because that is still my child. My life still is apart of them.

I think you need to first sort out that difference.

You said that God's spirit bears witness with your spirit...but How? Have you been born again? Have you believe on Christ?

You cant have the Spirit of God without Christ. Therefore you cant be His child without Christ. This is the first step.

Actually I completely understand what you are saying. I completely understand the arbitrary distinction that you draw between his children and not-his children. Here is another way to look at it: you are anti-abortion right? What are some of the arguments you use to support this position: life begins at conception, life is beautiful and unique, if you don't want a baby then don't have one. If abortion is *never* the answer for a human parent, why is it acceptable to your [notion] of god?

Peace

[freefromfaith]

It seems that you want the rights of a child but not the responsibility. You want to be a child of God yet not believe his Word.

I have never said that I think people should be free to act however they please. My argument is that interpreting the bible as the word of god is hard to defend. No matter how many times you say "but it is the word of god" you still have not addressed the argument.

Like-wise in this scenerio you painted. People want to the right to have sex outside of marriage, or even in marriage, but not be responsible for the outcome.

So, what you are saying is this: it is ok that your [notion of] god rejected his responsibility for his creation, initially, by killing them off in a flood? hmmh, lets see, are there other stories in the bible where [your notion of] god kills his creation? Yup. Please answer: how can an act be immoral for man but ok for [your notion of ] god. It can't.

This is not an arbitrary distinction. It is one set by the life that you have in you. No matter how much a monkey puts on clothes does sign language and other things that man does, it is still a monkey. The distinctin is in the life-type.

Are you calling someone who does not believe in your [notion of] god a monkey?

Peace

[freefromfaith]

Your issue is not with us but with God. Telling Him what you tell to us.

No, my issue is with your [notion of] god. There is a huge difference. I'm not trying to tell you there is no dog. Your [notion of] god has so many beautiful, abstract, ideas like selflessness and forgiveness, etc. These are godlike things. However, your [notion of] god also contains so much that is non-sensical and un-god-like (some of which I have pointed out here).

Why do I care? Why do I come to this forum to point these things out? It is because I think that the same thought processes that allow you to accept the non-sensical without questioning it are the same thought processes that allow humans to rationalize very bad actions against one another. The islamic world has taken this to the extreme. When a human gets tot he point where they can rationalize blowing up others and subjugating women, and so on and on, there is something wrong.

Oh but you say this is America, nothing like that could ever happen here. I'm not so sure of that. Slavery was quite recent and quite rationalized by christians. We are currently killing tens of thousands of Arabs that had nothing to do with 9-11. Am I saying christianity is responsible for this? No, but the same fuzzy thinking is. I still know people who believe that the u.s. had credible evidence that iraq had wmd before we invaded. No matter how much proof they are shown they still have *faith* in gwb. Unbelievable.

Peace

[freefromfaith]

Your issue is not with us but with God. Telling Him what you tell to us.

No, my issue is with your [notion of] god. There is a huge difference. I'm not trying to tell you there is no dog. Your [notion of] god has so many beautiful, abstract, ideas like selflessness and forgiveness, etc. These are godlike things. However, your [notion of] god also contains so much that is non-sensical and un-god-like (some of which I have pointed out here).

Peace

Once again your issue is with God. You claim that justice is non-sensical and not like God. How do you know when you dont know Him. You want God to be all love and mercy, but He is a King and He has a government. With this government come Law, and with this law come judgement. Once again you want to have the citizenship but dont want to come under the Lordship. You disagree with the His justice. Friend, this is an issue directly with God. Have you tried telling Him that some of His traits dont fit into who you feel He should be. If not then you really dont want an answer.

Once again the issue is your failure to see that there is a god w/out the bible.

Peace

[OneLight]

If I were standing in front of a person dying of thirst, holding out a glass of water to that person, but that person does not believe that I am there and does not see me because of their belief, how can that person take the glass of water?

The obvious, moral choice is to just give them the glass of water so they may live.

How is God wicked when it is plainly seen that man creates his own path to walk down? We make our own choices in life and need to accept the consequences. The old saying, "You made your bed, now lay in it" is so true. God did not create puppets, but gave people free will to choose what they want to be-do-believe ...

so I ask you again: then why do you keep asking God for his blessings?

If you choose to ignore the sign, because you believe that the sign maker is a lier and does not tell the truth, and then choose the left path, who is at fault? You or the sign maker?

I always check my gps before taking a turn

You say you want to learn ... then start listening. Discussion subjects with earplugs in your ears will do you no good.

I'm going to teach you math but you must start with the premise that 1+1=3. Ready: learn.

Peace

Your sarcasm only proves you ignorance on any matter concerning God. You have again ignored my questions and, instead, imparted your "moral" ideals. How common from those who do not want to admit that their pride has blinded them to the truth.

I will not continue word games with you and allow you to wallow in your darkness, but will give you these words to ponder:

Proverbs 6:16-19

These six things the LORD hates,

Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:

A proud look,

A lying tongue,

Hands that shed innocent blood,

A heart that devises wicked plans,

Feet that are swift in running to evil,

A false witness who speaks lies,

And one who sows discord among brethren.

You will do well if you accept Jesus as your savior instead of relying on your gps.

OneLight

[Guest]

It's A Matter Of Honor

God's Blessings

God's Honor

HIS Name

Jesus

"And Jabez was more honourable than his brethren: and his mother called his name Jabez, saying, Because I bare him with sorrow.

And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, Oh that thou wouldest bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that thine hand might be with me, and that thou wouldest keep me from evil, that it may not grieve me! And God granted him that which he requested." 1 Chronicles 4:10

... is God playing favorites ...

Tough One

God's Blessings - God's Grace - God's Honor

Man Sneers But

God Judges

Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 11:17-18

Man Mocks But

God Calls

The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Jeremiah 31:3

Man Sins But

God Saves

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 5:8

Man Judges But

God Forgives

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

Man Is Faithless But

God Gives

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:8

Joe, Go Wild

Trust God And Believe

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:9-10

And Be Astonished

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

1 Corinthians 2:9

See Jesus And Be Blessed Beloved

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, "Wild About Jesus" Joe

[HeatherEljohari]

Hey there, I'm not sure if you're even reading responses anymore, but I'll take a shot.

I do not believe God directly blesses a nation. We are not more blessed in North America than they are in Africa. What makes America appear blessed, is that we built our country on a Christian base. So couldn't doesn't directly bless us, but instead he instructs us in the way to build a great society, and we built one by following those teachings.

God values freedom (He gave us free will) and so do our North American societies. That leads to a prosperous economy and wealth.

God values hard work and discipline, and our societies value that which leads to a strong economy as well. That is largely where our material blessings come from.

I recently saw Evan Almighty and what stuck out at me is basically what you just said. We ask God for patience, he gives us the OPPORTUNITY for patience. We ask, we receive. Not always the way we think we will. God isnt going to say your my child so you get a free ride. We have to build, build, build. The bible speaks frequently about how God detests laziness and not trying. No same thing as life with our own parents after 18 or sometimes before we go on our own. We have to support ourselves, but sometimes, if someone is lucky or blessed enough they will get a parent or someone else help them with their choices and successes.

Heatherxoxo

[HeatherEljohari]

I will pray for you.

Peace

To whom, and through whom?

to god obviously.

Peace

I notice you dont capitalize God... which means you must think your "god" as ordinary as everything else in this life.

Heatherxoxo

[freefromfaith]

I will pray for you.

Peace

To whom, and through whom?

to god obviously.

Peace

I notice you dont capitalize God... which means you must think your "god" as ordinary as everything else in this life.

Heatherxoxo

It saddens me that you think this life is ordinary. I hope that outlook is not preventing you from experiencing as much as you can while you are here.

Peace,

freefromfaith

p.s. the small 'g' was really just tongue-in-cheek...I don't believe in god.

[HeatherEljohari]

I will pray for you.

Peace

To whom, and through whom?

to god obviously.

Peace

I notice you dont capitalize God... which means you must think your "god" as ordinary as everything else in this life.

Heatherxoxo

It saddens me that you think this life is ordinary. I hope that outlook is not preventing you from experiencing as much as you can while you are here.

Peace,

freefromfaith

p.s. the small 'g' was really just tongue-in-cheek...I don't believe in god.

Well yah this is just ordinary in comparison to the eternity I will have awaiting me with God. Thats right, you dont recognize God therefore dont repsect him.... It saddens me where your eternity will be. I will pray for you.

heatherx