Disfavor for Bush Hits Rare Heights

[forrestkc]

Our Church mentions President Bush in its Prayers of the People every sunday.

"We pray for President Bush and all the leaders of the world that they may make wise choices for everyone and that they may lead us to honor one another and serve the common good.

Guide them, O Lord, and hear our prayer."

I'm glad your church does that. But do you personally?

The Lord convicted me hard on this when Clinton was president - you can't curse a man and pray for him at the same time, else your curses will hinder your prayers.

Now, by curses I don't mean swear words necessarily, but speaking evil of, telling degrading jokes about, tearing down, etc. are speaking words of evil.

We as Christians need to guard against such. And yes, you can point out how Obama and Hillary et al are made mention of on this board as well, and you would be correct. We all need to get our act together on this.

If we don't spend our time interceding for our President and Congress and Supreme Court and cease from speaking evil of them, the Lord will hold us to account.

Do I pray that Bush will get more support in this country and abroad for his policies? No.

Do I pray that Bush will moderate his policies, avoid the politics of hate and division, quit undermining science, and recognize the failings in his policies? Yes.

[nebula]

Do I pray that Bush will get more support in this country and abroad for his policies? No.

Do I pray that Bush will moderate his policies, avoid the politics of hate and division, quit undermining science, and recognize the failings in his policies? Yes.

May I make a suggestion?

Instead of telling God what the president's policies should be -

Why don't you ask God to grant Pres. Bush greater wisdom and understanding, to be sensitive to the move and voice of His Spirit, to support policies as He would have them (not the "Liberal" agenda, not the "Conservative" agenda, not the "Libertarian" agenda, etc. but what will please the Lord for this country), that his family will be blessed, that he and his family will worship the Lord in spirit and in truth, that he remain faithful to the Lord?

[forrestkc]

Do I pray that Bush will get more support in this country and abroad for his policies? No.

Do I pray that Bush will moderate his policies, avoid the politics of hate and division, quit undermining science, and recognize the failings in his policies? Yes.

May I make a suggestion?

Instead of telling God what the president's policies should be -

Why don't you ask God to grant Pres. Bush greater wisdom and understanding, to be sensitive to the move and voice of His Spirit, to support policies as He would have them (not the "Liberal" agenda, not the "Conservative" agenda, not the "Libertarian" agenda, etc. but what will please the Lord for this country), that his family will be blessed, that he and his family will worship the Lord in spirit and in truth, that he remain faithful to the Lord?

Well, actually that is what I pray for when I pray. However, in my heart, I am thinking, moderation, avoiding policies of hate and division, pursuing peace and so on. I certainly try not to tell God his business though.

[kat8585]

Do I pray that Bush will get more support in this country and abroad for his policies? No.

Do I pray that Bush will moderate his policies, avoid the politics of hate and division, quit undermining science, and recognize the failings in his policies? Yes.

How about just praying for him in general, for strength? He has the hardest job in the world, made much harder by liberals. How about praying for God's guidance, not for the direction you want for him, but the one God wants.

[nebula]

Instead of telling God what the president's policies should be -

Why don't you ask God to grant Pres. Bush greater wisdom and understanding, to be sensitive to the move and voice of His Spirit, to support policies as He would have them (not the "Liberal" agenda, not the "Conservative" agenda, not the "Libertarian" agenda, etc. but what will please the Lord for this country), that his family will be blessed, that he and his family will worship the Lord in spirit and in truth, that he remain faithful to the Lord?

Well, actually that is what I pray for when I pray. However, in my heart, I am thinking, moderation, avoiding policies of hate and division, pursuing peace and so on. I certainly try not to tell God his business though.

In your heart that is what you are thinking? So then, in your heart is that not what you are praying?

You see, this is another lesson the Holy Spirit has been working in my heart . . . to conform my prayers to His line of thinking and not mine. I have learned to ask the Lord how to pray for others, and there are times when I start praying what I think needs to be changed in the person, but in my spirit I sense the Lord stopping my prayers. So I wait for His direction, and when I receive the understanding/word/vision/whatever-you-want-to-call-it of how He wants me to pray, then I pray that.

When I pray for leaders, and yes I confess I need to do this more, I have given up praying for policies and started praying for them to turn to the Lord, to have a heart for the Lord, to love and fear the Lord, to seek the Lord, etc. How much better would our country be if our leaders did that?

But it is so much better to pray by listening to the Holy Spirit than to hope the Lord does what is on your heart. Because this way you will draw closer to the Lord in the process. And isn't that what you want as well?

[Treasure]

So -

Raise your hand if you are actually praying for President Bush.

You know . . . like Scripture tells us to do. . . .

edit typo

Some smileys aren't working for some reason Well.....maybe it was just the one that I was trying to use. Anyway, *hand up*. I was wondering when someone was going to say something about praying for our president.

Do I pray that Bush will get more support in this country and abroad for his policies? No.

Do I pray that Bush will moderate his policies, avoid the politics of hate and division, quit undermining science, and recognize the failings in his policies? Yes.

May I make a suggestion?

Instead of telling God what the president's policies should be -

Why don't you ask God to grant Pres. Bush greater wisdom and understanding, to be sensitive to the move and voice of His Spirit, to support policies as He would have them (not the "Liberal" agenda, not the "Conservative" agenda, not the "Libertarian" agenda, etc. but what will please the Lord for this country), that his family will be blessed, that he and his family will worship the Lord in spirit and in truth, that he remain faithful to the Lord?

Do I pray that Bush will get more support in this country and abroad for his policies? No.

Do I pray that Bush will moderate his policies, avoid the politics of hate and division, quit undermining science, and recognize the failings in his policies? Yes.

How about just praying for him in general, for strength? He has the hardest job in the world, made much harder by liberals. How about praying for God's guidance, not for the direction you want for him, but the one God wants.

Amen!!

(IMO) He has done an excellent job considering the plate he was handed from the very beginning. Has he made mistakes? Of course but will the person who can legitimately throw a stone please stand up! Then will anyone who is left standing say that you could do a better job in his shoes.

How about it's not what the american public thinks of him or the media (or anyone else for that matter), it's his standing with God that SHOULD make the difference. Ultimately that's all that matters and IF he's not in good standing with God then we should pray all the more for his heart but only God can judge him. It's our job to pray for him and for our country!

[Treasure]

Grrr.... Sorry, I really messed that post up. Hope everyone can read it anyway.

[forrestkc]

(IMO) He has done an excellent job considering the plate he was handed from the very beginning. Has he made mistakes? Of course but will the person who can legitimately throw a stone please stand up! Then will anyone who is left standing say that you could do a better job in his shoes.

How about it's not what the american public thinks of him or the media (or anyone else for that matter), it's his standing with God that SHOULD make the difference. Ultimately that's all that matters and IF he's not in good standing with God then we should pray all the more for his heart but only God can judge him. It's our job to pray for him and for our country!

God has his soul, we are his employers, so ultimately he is responsible to the American people. He sought out this job, its hard, its hard for every president, but he chose to take the job. Many other presidents have faced more than Bush. I am sure Lincoln or FDR would have traded the problems they faced for the problems Bush has faced in a heartbeat. I am sure that Jimmy Carter was in good standing with the Lord when he left office, but that certainly did not mean he was a good President.

[Treasure]

God has his soul, we are his employers, so ultimately he is responsible to the American people. He sought out this job, its hard, its hard for every president, but he chose to take the job. Many other presidents have faced more than Bush. I am sure Lincoln or FDR would have traded the problems they faced for the problems Bush has faced in a heartbeat. I am sure that Jimmy Carter was in good standing with the Lord when he left office, but that certainly did not mean he was a good President

You didn't answer my question. Would you like to be in his shoes?

[forrestkc]

God has his soul, we are his employers, so ultimately he is responsible to the American people. He sought out this job, its hard, its hard for every president, but he chose to take the job. Many other presidents have faced more than Bush. I am sure Lincoln or FDR would have traded the problems they faced for the problems Bush has faced in a heartbeat. I am sure that Jimmy Carter was in good standing with the Lord when he left office, but that certainly did not mean he was a good President

You didn't answer my question. Would you like to be in his shoes?

If I were in his shoes, I would not have made the same decisions that he has made. I think I am quite a bit more pragmatic than he is. However, I would not want to the job, thus I would never run for the job. We did not drag him kicking and screaming into the White house. He chose to run for president. He wanted the job. He chose to appoint incompetent people, and he chose not to fire them until he was practically forced to do so. He chose to listen to the ideological hawks in his Administration instead of the moderates. His policy failures are his to blame and his alone. If he goes down in history as a failed president, then he has no one but himself to blame.

I am sure that President Bush is a nice man and a good person. I think he is personably a likable person, but like most Americans I do not believe he has been a very good president, I do not like the direction he has taken this country in, and I think that we would have been better off today if someone more competent would have been elected.

What part of Bush wanted this job and his policy failures are his failures do you guys not get?