WATCH

[Luther]

On 2/15/2025 at 2:34 PM, The Light said:

We are told to WATCH by the Lord. I have run across a three-part video, that I would imagine that many of you have seen. Scripture after scripture is claimed to indicate that Jesus returns in 2030.

Have any of you seen these videos and do you think they are correct? 

Here is part one............Messiah 2030

I am going to do a timeline based on the hypothetical assumption that Jesus returns in 2030. This 2030 date is actually the date that the millennial kingdom is set up. 

So what should we see if the millennial kingdom is set up in 2030?

Here is another perspective that I've always understood to be true:

1): No literal millennial reign of Christ. Any language we can find in scripture regarding this teaching can only be found in Revelation 20. I believe it is to be understood allegorically. 

2): No special relationship or alliance with Israel is necessary for Jesus Christ to come. The teaching that God has a future plan with Israel and that Christians must be supportive of their current state of anti- Christ activity is in no way Biblical. It is a false teaching that crept into the church over a hundred years ago. 

And this is where #1 and #2 tie in together. The fact is, when Christ comes it will be THE LAST DAY. We have to be right with God before then. There will be no more opportunities once Jesus comes in firey wrath, creating a new heavens and a new earth. No additional thousand years, in other words. The people in Israel need to repent now. However Jesus told us that their house is left desolate, and that's how it will remain.

So, understanding that we are to be looking for a new heavens and a new earth ( 2 Peter 3) and not a millennial kingdom, what are we looking for?

In other words, according to your title, what events are we "watching"?

We have to find out that when Jesus comes to end this world, what is going to be going on right before then?

We should be more concerned with the spiritual aspect more that the physical. From the very beginning there was the first murderer, Cain. Just as there is a  "spiritual" seed through Seth, there is an evil spiritual seed through Cain. 

They have been involved intimately with satan from the beginning, and had to pass down their plans over each generation. Because these " children of the devil" are being used to eventually set the world up in a satanic state of rule, it's important to realize that it's not some unorganized people here and  there. One "group" is connected throughout time. How then would satan be able to accomplish this gradual destruction of this planet?

They have gone by different names, but in the last fifteen hundred years they have created a totalitarian, Communist religion that outlines their plan for this world. So, in so many words, we should be looking at their activity and their eventual plan to place their messiah in the temple, according to 2 Thessalonians 2:

2 Thessalonians 2:2-4,7-8 KJV

That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

This is what we should be watching. What steps are they taking right now to implement the world wide worship of Satan? Most people already worship him through the society they have been accustomed to. It's going to be the Christians that won't be welcomed in that time of Great Tribulation. 

Spiritually they've destroyed humanity. All the wars, economic bondage, and most notably their hatred for anything Godly. Children of the devil. Dividing us against each other, creating mass immigration and transgenderism, pornography ( in their own words the "father" of pornography created it to vilify Christianity) and so many other burdens we have to bear. 

Satan's last kingdom ( beast)  is Babylon, and they are the " woman" that "rides" this kingdom:

Revelation 17:6 KJV

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

 

Matthew 23:35-37 KJV

That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

[36] Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

[37] O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." - Voltaire

 

[Diaste]

On 2/22/2025 at 9:48 AM, The Light said:

I still understand there is a pretribulation rapture. I just understand the tribulation is not 7 years long.

Right. And that understanding comes from facts that will alter other conclusions about the timeline. 

[The Light]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

Right. And that understanding comes from facts that will alter other conclusions about the timeline. 

So are you saying that you understand there is a pretribulation rapture?

[The Light]

What About These Verses of Scripture #1.

Matthew 24

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

The Word of God says all these things will be fulfilled before the fig tree generation passes away. The fig tree generation is the generation that sees Israel reborn as a nation

What things will be fulfilled before the fig tree generation passes away?

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

It appears that the tribulation will be over before the fig tree generation passes away.

[The Light]

How long is a generation?

What about this verse #2?

Psalms 90

10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

This verse says a generation of strength is 80 years (fourscore)

If Israel was reborn as nation in 1948 and we add 80 years to that which is generation of strength.........does that mean someone flies away in 2028?

How would that work if so many scriptures say Messiah 2030?

[The Light]

On 2/23/2025 at 3:24 PM, WilliamL said:

 

No, the Son of Perdition will meet his demise at the Parousia, long before Armageddon. The Son of Perdition IS NOT the Beast.

2 Thes. 2:7 NKJV For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one [= verse 3's Son of Perdition] will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming [Greek, Parousia].

Is the son of perdition the Antichrist?

[The Light]

Just running the numbers.

1) There are countless scriptures that show the millennial kingdom will be set up in 2030 as evidenced by Messiah 2030.

2) There is a covenant with many that was made in September 2023. This covenant is 7 years in length but is unconfirmed by the prince that will come.

3) Israel was attacked on October 7, 2023.

4) Scripture indicates that the generation that see the fig tree put forth leaves will not pass away until all the things in Matthew 24 come to pass including the great tribulation and the return of Jesus at the 6th seal. A Generation of strength is 80 years so that would place a return of Jesus by 2028.

5) Asteroid Apophis could hit the earth on April 13, 2029........It was originally claimed that Apophis WOULD hit the earth. Was this statement changed to reduce panic?

Hypothetical #2.

If Jesus returns for a harvest in the fall of 2028 which seems to be a scriptural possibility, the asteroid Apophis arriving in April 2029 would fit perfectly in the one-year wrath of God.

[WilliamL]

On 2/25/2025 at 10:17 AM, The Light said:

Is the son of perdition the Antichrist?

The son of Perdition is AN antichrist, one of "many antichrists" past, present, and to come. 

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that [the] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. ... 22 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that [the] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

The doctrine of there being only one "THE antichrist" -- as other than the general spirit thereof [1 John 4:3] -- is not taught in the Bible. The doctrines of men notwithstanding. Satan, the Beast of Rev. 13, the False Prophet, Gog, and the Son of Perdition will all be End Times antichrists, as will be others.

[Marilyn C]

On 2/16/2025 at 11:30 AM, missmuffet said:

With the rapture of the Church there are no signs. With the second coming there are signs if you study the book of Revelation.

Actually, we will see the great Russian Federation coming down to Israel. (Ez. 38 & Joel 2)

`but exhorting (encouraging and warning) one another and so much the more as you SEE the Day (of the LORD) approaching.` (Heb. 10: 25) 

[The Light]

16 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Actually, we will see the great Russian Federation coming down to Israel. (Ez. 38 & Joel 2)

`but exhorting (encouraging and warning) one another and so much the more as you SEE the Day (of the LORD) approaching.` (Heb. 10: 25) 

This is not true. Russia will not come until after the 1000 years.

Revelation 20

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

There is no time for Russia to come against Israel in an end time scenario. When Russia comes it will come against the land of unwalled villages.

Ezekiel 38

11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,