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[The Light]

On 3/9/2025 at 2:10 PM, WilliamL said:

OK, show me the scripture that says so.

 

Isaiah 14

3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

On 3/9/2025 at 2:10 PM, WilliamL said:

Even if someone could clone a human from a dead body, it would not be the same person, because it would not have any knowledge of the former soul. 

That does not keep them from being there and learning who they are.

On 3/9/2025 at 2:10 PM, WilliamL said:

Dead Nephilim became demons, bodyless evil spirits.

And are those spirits in the abyss?

[WilliamL]

On 3/11/2025 at 10:56 PM, The Light said:

On 3/9/2025 at 1:10 PM, WilliamL said:

Dead Nephilim became demons, bodyless evil spirits.

And are those spirits in the abyss?

The fallen angels are in the Abyss. Demons are earthbound.

[WilliamL]

On 3/10/2025 at 4:24 PM, The Light said:

There is no Satan in Isaiah 14

There is no Nimrod in Isaiah 14.

The helel/"Shining One/Morning Star/Lucifer" of 14:12 is not descriptive of a man. If it is not Satan, then it is another evil angelic spirit.

[The Light]

9 hours ago, WilliamL said:

There is no Nimrod in Isaiah 14.

The helel/"Shining One/Morning Star/Lucifer" of 14:12 is not descriptive of a man. If it is not Satan, then it is another evil angelic spirit.

Isaiah 14 is about Nimrod, and not about Satan or another angel.

Nimrod is the DAY STAR. He is the sun in the Babylonian religion. In Latin, the word "lucifer" or day star, morning star, light bringing, was not translated to English. Instead, it was CAPITALIZED and not translated. So the Latin word "lucifer" became Lucifer. This is a translation error.

In Isaiah 14 we see both the King of Babylon and the Assyrian. Nimrod is the only person in history that was both the king of Babylon and Assyrian.

We are also looking for a king that was and is not and will come again as the 8th king is of the seven.

Revelation 17

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

We can be sure that Nimrod is the king of Babylon being discussed because the fir trees and the cedars of Lebanon rejoice when Nimrod is laid down, when the earth is at rest. They rejoice because no tree fellers, that is people that chop down trees, cut them down anymore.

Isaiah 14

4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

The Christmas tree which is a fir tree has been cut down long before Christ was on the earth.

Jeremiah 10

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

The Christmas tree is cut in honor of Nimrod. At the death of Tammuz it is claimed that a stump grew into an evergreen tree overnight as the blood of Tammuz was on the stump. Tammuz was killed by a wild boar and Tammuz was the supposed reincarnation of Nimrod.

Ezekiel 8

13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.

14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.

Nimrod also cut down the cedars of Lebanon to build cities and his throne was made from a cedar tree.

Edited March 14 by The Light

[other one]

@The Light 

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Isa 14:12-15

12 "How you are fallen from heaven,
O Day Star, son of Dawn
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How did Nimrod get into heaven?

[The Light]

13 hours ago, other one said:

@The Light 

How did Nimrod get into heaven?

He didn't. That was his desire, but he only said it in his heart.

Isaiah 14

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

[other one]

How he had fallen from heaven seemed like he was there

[The Light]

1 hour ago, other one said:

How he had fallen from heaven seemed like he was there

The Babylonian religion is the source of most false religions in the world. They all worship the sun as the father God. Nimrod is the sun.

What people think is primitive sun worship is really the worship of Nimrod also known as Baal.

[other one]

43 minutes ago, The Light said:

The Babylonian religion is the source of most false religions in the world. They all worship the sun as the father God. Nimrod is the sun.

What people think is primitive sun worship is really the worship of Nimrod also known as Baal.

I'm familiar with all this, I just never attached it to this verse.  Nimrod's history outside the Bible is pretty wild. Different names but the same folks.

[Alive]

8 minutes ago, other one said:

I'm familiar with all this, I just never attached it to this verse.  Nimrod's history outside the Bible is pretty wild. Different names but the same folks.

The two things that Michael Heiser discussed, I liked best was his take on what Jesus did at Mt. Hermon and his discussion on Naaman.

He essentially thumbed his nose at Baal and all the iterations and He declared that the gates of hell could not defend against His Church. Very powerful and a guarantee.