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[Marilyn C]

7 hours ago, The Light said:

Ezekiel 38 is about a northern army going up against the land of unwalled villages. That occurs after the 1000 years as the Word of God says.

Revelation 20

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

As for today, Russia can't even whip Ukraine. They gave up in Germany and had their butts kicked in Afghanistan. They are certainly not the king of the north at this time.

`the four quarters of the earth,` is different from just the northern quarter.

[The Light]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

It may be the spiritual principality that possessed Nimrod, but it will not be Nimrod the man.

The beast was and is not and yet is. He is the 8th king and is of the 7.

Revelation 17

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Gulf War II began one week after the tomb of Gilgamesh was found. Gilgamesh is Nimrod. Our goal was not weapons of mass destruction......there wasn't any. Our goal was the tomb of Nimrod and the National Museum of Bagdad which we looted. We eventually returned most of the ancient tablets, etc.

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

 

No scripture at all says that evil men will be raised from the dead to rule again. Quite the contrary, they will be raised "to shame and to everlasting contempt." Dan. 12:2; John 5:28-29

The beast of the earth will be the 7th king. He will give his power to the eighth king. 

The eighth king will be Nimrod who was also the 1st king. Here is the Lord warning the Jews about false Christs.

Matthew 24

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

The Jews are warned not to believe he is in the desert or in the secret chamber. That is a burial chamber.

The offer to the world will be eternal life as Nimrod will be brought back to life. Men are evil. This will happen.

[WilliamL]

9 minutes ago, The Light said:

The offer to the world will be eternal life as Nimrod will be brought back to life. Men are evil. This will happen.

Says you. Not any scripture. Only God can bring the dead back to life, and then only for judgment.

The Beast that will "ascend our of the Abyss" [Rev. 11:7; 17:8] is the fallen Watcher-angel Azazel, who long predated Nimrod. Only fallen angels were cast into the Abyss, undead.

68. The Beast Is Not a (Seven-Headed!) Man, Part 1

Explains why the Beast of Revelation 13 cannot be a man, and reveals who and what it really is. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2778-the-beast-is-not-a-seven-headed-man-part-1/

69. The Beast, Part 2: Its Seven Heads https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2779-the-beast-part-2-its-seven-heads/

70. The Beast, Part 3: Who IS the Beast? https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2780-the-beast-part-3-who-is-the-beast/

71. The Beast, Part 4: Azazel and the Abyss https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2786-the-beast-part-4-azazel-and-the-abyss/

[The Light]

5 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Says you. Not any scripture.

OK. However, scripture is clear that the beast is Nimrod. When Nimrod, who was and is not and yet is, comes again, do you not think that eternal life will be on the table?

5 hours ago, WilliamL said:

 

Only God can bring the dead back to life, and then only for judgment.

Ever heard of cloning?

5 hours ago, WilliamL said:

The Beast that will "ascend our of the Abyss" [Rev. 11:7; 17:8] is the fallen Watcher-angel Azazel, who long predated Nimrod. Only fallen angels were cast into the Abyss, undead.

Where does the spirit of giants go? 

Genesis 6

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Genesis 10

8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

5 hours ago, WilliamL said:

 

 

[The Light]

5 hours ago, WilliamL said:

68. The Beast Is Not a (Seven-Headed!) Man, Part 1

Explains why the Beast of Revelation 13 cannot be a man, and reveals who and what it really is. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2778-the-beast-is-not-a-seven-headed-man-part-1/

69. The Beast, Part 2: Its Seven Heads https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2779-the-beast-part-2-its-seven-heads/

70. The Beast, Part 3: Who IS the Beast? https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2780-the-beast-part-3-who-is-the-beast/

71. The Beast, Part 4: Azazel and the Abyss https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2786-the-beast-part-4-azazel-and-the-abyss/

68. The Beast is a man.

Isaiah 14

1 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

69. Seven Heads.

The seven heads are seven kings. Five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The kings all have one thing in common. They are under the banner of the sun god who is Nimrod. And they are all God on earth. 

When Hitler tried to be the seventh king, he used the swastika which is an ancient sun sign

70. Who is the beast?

According to scripture the beast of the sea is Nimrod.

71. The Abyss.

Where do the spirit of giants go?

[Diaste]

On 3/5/2025 at 7:34 AM, The Light said:

Don't believe we can take that back to before the time of Abraham.

Hosea 9

10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

It is the fathers of Israel that were to be the first fruits of the first harvest. But Israel served Baalpeor. The Gentiles become the first harvest of the fig tree. The fig tree has two harvests.

That is why after the fullness of the Gentiles come in, part of Israel has its blindness removed. 

Romans 11

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Thou God saw the fathers of the Jews as the first fruits of the first harvest.......they were not as Israel served Baalpeor. That is why after the rapture of the Church there are 144,000 first fruits of the second harvest of the fig tree.

When the Lord comes for the second harvest at the 6th seal the people of Daniel are raised as we see in Daniel 12.

Daniel 12

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

I don't believe this include everyone.

I was only referring to ones beheaded for the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ, per Rev 20. 

And I was only making the concession based on the wording of the verse as that condition doesn't seem predicated on the existence of the beast, in contrast to the language relating conditions caused by the beast.

So while those that stood firm and refused the mark of the beast, and refused to worship the beast or it's image are only from the time when the beast exists and has demanded the mark and worship, the beheaded for the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ could possibly be a part of the Rev 20 group, but from whatever time they were executed in like manner for the stated reason. 

[Diaste]

On 3/5/2025 at 6:56 AM, The Light said:

It happens after the thousand years.

Revelation 20

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

The second time. Here's why there is a first time tied to God's wrath at the end of the age, at the 2nd advent, and the gathering of the nations in the valley of Jehoshaphat:

"And there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, and a great earthquake the likes of which had not occurred since men were upon the earth—so mighty was the great quake. 19The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. And God remembered Babylon the great and gave her the cup of the wine of the fury of His wrath

 Then every island fled, and no mountain could be found. 21And great hailstones weighing almost a hundred pounds eacha rained down on them from above. And men cursed God for the plague of hail, because it was so horrendous." Rev 16-7th bowl

"The mountains will be thrown down, the cliffs will collapse, and every wall will fall to the ground.

And I will summon a sword against Gog on all My mountains, declares the Lord GOD, and every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22I will execute judgment upon him with plague and bloodshed. I will pour out torrents of rain, hailstones, fire, and sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23I will magnify and sanctify Myself, and I will reveal Myself in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD." Ezekiel 38

These are so similar in timing, location, purpose, affects and the people involved it's the same event, described millennia apart. 

In contrast, none of the above is described in Rev 2o when Satan is released, the setting isn't similar, the beloved city exists and the camp of the saints. The difference in the settings alone is enough for me to conclude Rev 20 is not the same event as Ezekiel 38. The destruction of Gog in Rev 20 is also dissimilar to Ezekiel 38: "But fire came down from heavena and consumed them". A speedy end, totally unlike Ezekiel 38. 

The release of Satan is also important. Satan has to be released from prison for the Rev 20 Gog war to commence. Satan is captured after this:

"Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army. 20But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse."

After the Gog 'war' of Rev 20 Satan is thrown into the pit from which there is no return. Satan is clearly bound and imprisoned after a major battle, per Rev 21. The release of Satan shows something major occurred prior to Rev 20 Gog 'war' to get him imprisoned; that event is Ezekiel 38, the battle of Armageddon.

 

 

 

 

[WilliamL]

On 3/5/2025 at 9:12 PM, The Light said:

On 3/5/2025 at 3:31 PM, WilliamL said:

Says you. Not any scripture.

OK. However, scripture is clear that the beast is Nimrod. When Nimrod, who was and is not and yet is, comes again, do you not think that eternal life will be on the table?

OK, show me the scripture that says so.

On 3/5/2025 at 9:12 PM, The Light said:

On 3/5/2025 at 3:31 PM, WilliamL said:

 

Only God can bring the dead back to life, and then only for judgment.

Ever heard of cloning?

Even if someone could clone a human from a dead body, it would not be the same person, because it would not have any knowledge of the former soul.

On 3/5/2025 at 9:12 PM, The Light said:

Where does the spirit of giants go? 

Dead Nephilim became demons, bodyless evil spirits.

[WilliamL]

On 3/5/2025 at 9:45 PM, The Light said:

68. The Beast is a man.

Isaiah 14

1 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

"Man" = Hebrew אִישׁ, which term was used for the ANGEL Gabriel:

Daniel 9:21 yes, while I was speaking in prayer, the  אִישׁ/man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, reached me about the time of the evening offering.

אִישׁ refers to a male personage, whether a human or an angel. Satan here in Isaiah 14 was and is an angel, not a human.

[The Light]

On 3/9/2025 at 2:19 PM, WilliamL said:

"Man" = Hebrew אִישׁ, which term was used for the ANGEL Gabriel:

Daniel 9:21 yes, while I was speaking in prayer, the  אִישׁ/man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, reached me about the time of the evening offering.

אִישׁ refers to a male personage, whether a human or an angel. Satan here in Isaiah 14 was and is an angel, not a human.

There is no Satan in Isaiah 14