When people refer to Jesus as "Jesus Christ"...

[Marston]

Shouldn't it actually be "Jesus the Christ"?

[missmuffet]

17 minutes ago, Marston said:

Shouldn't it actually be "Jesus the Christ"?

Jesus Christ is ok and Jesus the Christ is also accurate.

[Michael37]

31 minutes ago, Marston said:

Shouldn't it actually be "Jesus the Christ"?

You can phrase it like that if you want, it would still mean the same thing.

[BornAgain490]

Yeshua ha Mashiach.  Jesus the Christ. Jesus.  Christ. Lord. God. It's all about Him. 

[Lend An Ear]

the Greek word  "  CHRIST  "  means simply    =    of anointed   or   the  anointed 

interesting fact is that the Catholic Douay Rheims Translation inserts the Greek  word  "  CHRIST  "  into multiple places in the Old Testament 

 

 

The Greek word    “ κυριος   “   is used a total of 3382 times in the entire Septuagint Old Testament. 

And of the 3382 total times - The Roman Catholic Douay Rheims Translators correctly and consistently and always continually - used this same exact word to mean nothing more than just - The Word for  “ Lord “ - or to refer to -  The Lord as He, Him and I – The  Lord - God

But   - they take this same exact word and change it - ( three times ) to say “ Christ “ a total of only three times. Three times they take this same exact word and change it to say “ Christ “

BUT ONLY IN THESE THREE VERSES - that could be considered a Roman Catholic prophetic future foretelling of the Catholic theology of JESUS- they change and alter the word - deleting the “ original Greek word “ Lord “ - and delete “ Lord “ and change it into back into - The Greek word - “ Christ “

1 . - 1Sa 2:10 κυριος G2962 
1Sa 2:10 The Lord shall ..... exalt the horn of his Christ
Continuing to say - and he shall give a { future } empire to his king, and shall exalt the horn of his Christ. 
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and 2 . 2Sa 23:1 κυριος G2962 
2Sa 23:1 The Christ of the God of Jacob. 
Speaking in the previous verse - of the Lord, among the Gentiles who is giving great salvation... Christ
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and 3 . Psa 84:9 κυριος G2962 
Psa_84:9 God our protector: and look on the face of thy Christ.
Speaking in the previous verse - of the altars, of the Lord of hosts, my king Christ and my God. 

But the word simply and correctly means “ Lord “ in the other 3379 times

And again - - ALSO - Another similar derivative of this Greek word “ κυριου G2962 “ with this same exact precise spelling and same exact precise grammar - in this exact form, is used a total of 2144 times in the Septuagint Old Testament. 

Κύριος - kurios - koo'-ree-os - From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.

And of the 2142 total times - The Roman Catholic Douay Rheims Translators correctly and consistently and always continually - used this same exact word to ALSO mean nothing more than the word “ Lord “ - or to refer to The Lord as He, Him and I - The Lord – God

But they take this same word and change ( two times ) it to say “ Christ “ a total of only two times. Two times they take this same exact word and change it to say “ Christ “

I could post all 2142 total times that this word is used to say “ Lord “ - but ( to save time ) - i do not need to post any of these - 
BUT IN THESE TWO VERSES - that could be considered a Roman Catholic prophetic future foretelling of the Catholic theology of Jesus- they change and alter the word - deleting the “ original Greek word “ Lord “ - and delete “ Lord “ and change it into - “ Christ“

Psa 2:2 κυριου  
Psa 2:2 The princes met together, against the Lord, and against his Christ. 
Speaking in the previous verse that - the future Gentiles raged -- The kings of the earth stood - against the Lord, and against his Christ. 
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Lam 4:20 κυριου  
Lam_4:20 The breath of our mouth, Christ the Lord, is taken in our sins...
Speaking of the - Christ the Lord being taken in our sins: - as we live among the future Gentiles. 

But the word simply and correctly means “ Lord “ in the other 2142 times

Again In the Greek Septuagint - this same exact Greek word   “ χριστου  “   with this same exact precise spelling and same exact precise grammar - in this exact form, is used a total of 11 times in the entire Septuagint Old Testament to says “ consecrated - and anointed “ 
And of the 11 total times - The Roman Catholic Douay Rheims Translators correctly and consistently and always continually - used this same exact word to mean nothing more than the word “ consecrated - and anointed “  only 7 times.

They take this same word and change ( four times ) it to say “ Christ “ a total of only four times. Four times they take this same exact word and change it to say “ Christ “
Here are the 7 total times that this word is used to say “ consecrated - and anointed “ - in the Catholic Douay Rheims.
Lev 21:10 consecrated.
1Sa 2:35 anointed
2Ch 6:42 anointed.
1Sa 12:3 anointed.
1Sa 2:35 anointed.
2Ch 6:42 anointed.
Lev 21:10 The oil of unction poured on his head.

χριστου   = anointed –anointing.

BUT IN THESE FOUR VERSES - that could be considered a Roman Catholic prophetic future foretelling of the Catholic theology of Jesus - they change and alter the word - deleting the “ original Greek word ““ consecrated - and anointed “ “ - and delete ““ consecrated - and anointed “ “ and change it into - the Greek word “ Christ “

Dan_9:25 The going forth of the word, to build up Jerusalem again, unto Christ, the prince.
Dan_9:26 And after sixty-two weeks Christ shall be slain: and the people that shall deny him shall not be his. And a people, with their leader, that shall come, shall destroy the city, and the sanctuary: and the end thereof shall be waste, and after the end of the war the appointed desolation.
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth stood up, and the princes met together, against the Lord, and against his Christ.
1Sa 2:10 The adversaries of the Lord shall fear him: and upon them shall he thunder in the heavens: The Lord shall judge the ends of the earth, and he shall give empire to his king, and shall exalt the horn of his Christ. 

When The Roman Catholic Translators Translated the Bible into The Douay Rheims they did not use the word “ CHRIST “ 5,528 
times - because the Greek word CHRIST should have never ever been used in an Old Testament English Translation.

Christ - was not an English word - Christ had no meaning and Christ had no usage - in the English Language. 

Christ was not even a LATIN or an ITALIAN word  =   the word for ANOINTED in Latin is    “ unctus “

My point is that although I agree that  some of these passages are referring to Jesus Christ but the Old Testament is not using the Greek word Christ  -  and sometimes not even using the Hebrew word  “  Anointing  “  
the Greek word Christ is inserted instead of just simply translated into English  

basically, what I am explaining is that the Catholic Translators go back into the Old Testament and insert the Greek word Christ in every instance where they feel the passage is referring to Jesus,  Instead of allowing the Manuscript Message to speak for itself in its own way  -  the Catholic Translators force and insert Jesus Christ back into the Old Testament.

 

I feel this is disingenuous and misrepresenting the Hebrew people and their understanding of the God of the Old Testament and the way God manifested and described himself.

Edited February 1 by Lend An Ear

[Whosoever]

 

 

Jesus is God's word who was from the begining. 

The word became flesh and lived 33 years in the flesh.  He rose in His new body a new creation.  When Jesus was baptised by water and the Holy Spirit fell upon Him, He became the "Messiah", or the "Christ", and His ministry began.  The bible says that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ. He is in us and we are in Him and we are One. 

Jesus Christ resonates as oneness.  Christ Jesus points to Jesus as Christ.  

[D. Adrien]

On 2/7/2025 at 2:49 AM, Whosoever said:

 

 

Jesus is God's word who was from the begining. 

The word became flesh and lived 33 years in the flesh.  He rose in His new body a new creation.  When Jesus was baptised by water and the Holy Spirit fell upon Him, He became the "Messiah", or the "Christ", and His ministry began.  The bible says that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ. He is in us and we are in Him and we are One. 

Jesus Christ resonates as oneness.  Christ Jesus points to Jesus as Christ.  

And then there is John 17 20-23:

20“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. 

The Bolded is my doing.

[Your closest friendnt]

On 2/8/2025 at 3:13 PM, D. Adrien said:

And then there is John 17 20-23:

20“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. 

The Bolded is my doing.

This is what the Gospel is all about. This is the ultimate goal of what Jesus did to open the way to Heaven. The way to the Heavenly Father. 

This is the only way it could be done. 

Jesus who had to die first in full obedience to the Father so he can raised from the dead in Life because as he was raised from the dead his body as it changed at his resurrection it stopped growing old. And He was in his new form he can never die. He is indestructible. He lives for ever. 

He is the only one like that and it's going to be this way forever. 

It's impossible to happened to anyone of us. No one of us can be like him. If you can do the math you can find out for yourself. As I did my self. 

 

Edited yesterday at 05:30 AM by Your closest friendnt

[Workman]

On 1/21/2025 at 7:33 PM, Marston said:

Shouldn't it actually be "Jesus the Christ"?

Here's the low-down on Biblical surnames.

https://apologeticspress.org/why-dont-the-people-in-the-bible-have-last-names-3702/

[Locust]

On 1/21/2025 at 10:33 PM, Marston said:

Shouldn't it actually be "Jesus the Christ"?

that is the way I prefer to say it as Jesus Christ is often used as a swear word