Jews, Jewish Christians, and the New Covenant Era

[BornAgain490]

1 hour ago, jeremiah1five said:

As rabbi and Pharisee who knows the Scripture forward and backward Saul would only see his covenant brethren as they are: in covenant with God and heirs according to the Promise. He knows there is no covenant between the God of Abraham and the unclean, uncircumcised, non-covenant non-Hebrew Gentiles.  

You're wrong.  

Jesus directly confronted Saul on the Damascus road, and then Jesus told Ananias that He had chosen Paul to bear Christ's name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel.

If Paul was only sent to Hebrew Israelites, Jesus would have said so.  But Jesus called him Paul. You should, too. 

Then Paul makes it very clear who these Gentiles are: 

Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles who have not the law..."  Non-covenantal Gentiles, therefore not of Hebrew stock

1 Corinthians 10:32 "Give no offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles..."  There is a distinction, otherwise Paul would've written "Give no offense the Hebrews."

Galatians 2:15 "We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles." Paul is clearly distinguishing two peoples, one with law (Jews) and one without (Non-Hebrew gentiles). .

Ephesians 3:6 "That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs..."  If Paul was writing of Hebrew Gentiles, they would already be heirs. But Non-Hebrew Gentiles are made fellow heirs in Christ. 

 

[jeremiah1five]

21 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

Why do you call Paul by his former name. Jesus gave him a new name his name is Paul. 

Jesus didn't change his name. Jesus was appropriate to address him by his Hebrew name. Jesus is not Gentile nor is He inclined to anything Gentile. 

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? Acts 9:4.

 

[jeremiah1five]

20 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

We are not told explicitly who this mixed multitude are, but its likely they are a combination of Gentiles from orher parts of the world that sojourned to Egypt in the days of the famine.

This mixed multitude could have also been a combination of proselytes, converts to the Jewish faith.

Also, in the 400 years that this mixed multitude were in Egypt, they likely grew in numbers, as did israel. 

Another reason the mixed multitude left Egypt with Israel is that they were likely more enamored with the children of Israel than with the Egyptians, otherwise why would they leave Egypt with Israel. 

I prefer to stay within the text and not add to the bible any biased assumptions. The whole narrative describes the children of Israel being enslaved, not Gentiles, and not Egyptians. There is nothing in the text that says "Gentiles" and so I won't add to the bible things not clearly there. God has covenant with Abraham and with his seed, a people God calls "my children" and "my people." Gentiles are not God's people. A mixed multitude can rightly be men, women, and children. Or they can be a mixed multitude of intermarriages between the tribes. But there's nothing in the text identifying Gentiles. 

[jeremiah1five]

20 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

Yes, it has.  When the Holy Spirit came to the disciples at Pentecost, the NT church was birthed, which includes all people of faith, Jews and non-Jews alike. 

You are adding to the bible. The New Covenant Church is the same as the Old Testament "Great Congregation" as identified in the Scripture. And since the word "church" is "ekklesia" and it means "called out [one's]" the children of Israel were indeed "called out" of Egypt thew same Jesus as a babe was "called out" of Egypt. God has covenant with Abraham and his Hebrew seed. God has no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles and His attitude towards Gentiles is clear from this passage:

      17       All nations before him are as nothing;
      And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.            Is 40:17.

God thinks nothing of non-Hebrew Gentiles of the non-covenant nations. They are "less than nothing and vanity."

20 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

 

We are now bound by the law of Christ, the moral law which is written on our hearts, to love God and each other. 

The Law of Christ is the same as the Law of God and the Law of Moses. Since it is the Spirit (Christ = "Anointing" pointing to oil and oil represents the Spirit or Christ) who Authored the Scripture the Law of Christ is the Law of God as found in the Law of Moses. The Moral Law, the Social Law, and the Ceremonial Law, are the Law of Christ. 

The Law of Moses is type and shadow of the Holy Spirit. It is He Whom God promised the House of Israel and the House of Judah to put in their inward parts as says Jeremiah. It was once written on stone but as part of the Jeremiah New Covenant the Holy Spirit is given inwardly to the children of Israel to lead and guide His people written on fleshly tables of the heart. God makes distinction between His covenant people and the non-covenant, uncircumcised, non-Hebrew Gentiles and heathens. He does this because there is distinction between both groups. One is in covenant with God and the other isn't. And this distinction was made when God made covenant with Abraham and with his seed and sealed that covenant by circumcision. And this is part of His Redemptive Plan for His Bride and Church Israel. Joel's prophecy was God's promise of His Spirit to Israel, not to Gentiles:

22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name’s sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. Ezekiel 36:21–28.

God's plan is to save Israel not Gentiles for there is nothing in His Word that evidence this truth. God Promised His Spirit to Israel not Gentiles. He begins in identifying who is to receive His Spirit and verse 21 says, "House of Israel."

20 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

The Levitical priesthood is abolished, for Jesus is now our high priest. 

The ceremonial laws are abolished, for Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. 

Yes, Jesus is High Priest. But none of God's covenants are abolished for if they are abolished then so is the Spirit of God for the Spirit of God is the Law of God. To claim that the Law is abolished is to say the Spirit is abolished and this is simply not true. For God clearly says the Law is for the born-again Jew for "doctrine, and reproof, and correction, and instruction in righteousness so that the man of God is throughly furnished unto all good works." The Law of God is still valid for many, many reasons, and one of those reasons is that God uses it to lead His people to Christ:

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Gal. 3:24.

To take away or abolished the Law of God/Christ/Spirit and you take away God's method of bringing His people to Christ.

[jeremiah1five]

16 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

It's implied in all his epistles, wherein Paul writes:  'Paul an apostle of Jesus',  and 'Paul a servant of Jesus', and 'Paul a prisoner of Jesus'...

In none of his epistles does Paul refer back to his prior name Saul.  Yet Paul makes it a point to refer back to his lineage as a Jew from the Tribe of Benjamin, his educational upbringing at the feet of Gamaliel a member of the Sanhedrin, and he refers to himself at the council as a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisees. 

The night following Paul's presence before the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem, Jesus stood by him and said, "Be of good cheer, Paul ..."

 

That's all well and good but I will address Saul by his Hebrew name and not disrespect him.

[jeremiah1five]

16 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

You're wrong.  

Jesus directly confronted Saul on the Damascus road, and then Jesus told Ananias that He had chosen Paul to bear Christ's name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel.

If Paul was only sent to Hebrew Israelites, Jesus would have said so.  But Jesus called him Paul. You should, too. 

Then Paul makes it very clear who these Gentiles are: 

Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles who have not the law..."  Non-covenantal Gentiles, therefore not of Hebrew stock

1 Corinthians 10:32 "Give no offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles..."  There is a distinction, otherwise Paul would've written "Give no offense the Hebrews."

Galatians 2:15 "We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles." Paul is clearly distinguishing two peoples, one with law (Jews) and one without (Non-Hebrew gentiles). .

Ephesians 3:6 "That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs..."  If Paul was writing of Hebrew Gentiles, they would already be heirs. But Non-Hebrew Gentiles are made fellow heirs in Christ. 

 

The problem and change occurred when the Second Jewish Temple was destroyed. Jews and Jewish Christians were persecuted by the Romans and laws were made to prevent Jews returning to Jerusalem or Israel proper for that matter and so mixed-heritage Hebrews who grew up in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture were ignorant of their Hebrew heritage and were the ones left in charge of the Jewish Church. Because of their ignorance of their Hebrew religion, culture, and heritage it wasn't long before they unmoored true, biblical Christianity from its Hebrew roots. Greek culture soon replaced the Hebrew roots of biblical Christianity, and a new religion was founded through ignorance. It coincided with an era known as the Times of the Gentiles and Jewish Christianity lost its Hebrew heritage and everything became "Gentile." But there will come a day when God will restore His Bride and Church to its former glory and it most likely in my assessment will take place when the two Revelation witnesses appear and set things in order before their deaths. It's also prophesied that God will bring all nations against Israel for battle and I think it will coincide with the two witnesses showing Israel who their Messiah, Lord, and King is and they will repent and God again will build His Church. At the Marriage Supper Israel will be there through covenant and Gentiles, whoever is left after the Great War will be there through invitation.

 

[BornAgain490]

2 hours ago, jeremiah1five said:

19 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

Jesus stood by him and said, "Be of good cheer, Paul ..."

 

That's all well and good but I will address Saul by his Hebrew name and not disrespect him.

Jesus called him Paul and you won't.  That says all I need to know about you. 

[BornAgain490]

2 hours ago, jeremiah1five said:

The problem and change occurred when the Second Jewish Temple was destroyed. Jews and Jewish Christians were persecuted by the Romans and laws were made to prevent Jews returning to Jerusalem or Israel proper for that matter and so mixed-heritage Hebrews who grew up in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture were ignorant of their Hebrew heritage and were the ones left in charge of the Jewish Church. Because of their ignorance of their Hebrew religion, culture, and heritage it wasn't long before they unmoored true, biblical Christianity from its Hebrew roots. Greek culture soon replaced the Hebrew roots of biblical Christianity, and a new religion was founded through ignorance. It coincided with an era known as the Times of the Gentiles and Jewish Christianity lost its Hebrew heritage and everything became "Gentile." But there will come a day when God will restore His Bride and Church to its former glory and it most likely in my assessment will take place when the two Revelation witnesses appear and set things in order before their deaths. It's also prophesied that God will bring all nations against Israel for battle and I think it will coincide with the two witnesses showing Israel who their Messiah, Lord, and King is and they will repent and God again will build His Church. At the Marriage Supper Israel will be there through covenant and Gentiles, whoever is left after the Great War will be there through invitation.

 

It's obvious here in this response that you've in a cult, perhaps the Hebrew Israelite movement. Or maybe another. Either way, you're teaching is false. God is not the God of the Hebrews only.  He is God of all, and Jesus is redeemer to anyone who believes in Him.