Psychedelics for mental health treatment, good or evil?

[BornAgain490]

2 minutes ago, Cyoder said:

People take medications for a multitude of problems, how is this any different? 

This thread is about mental illness and whether mind alter drugs are tge cure. Mind altering drugs are no cure, but an open door for demonic attack. 

[BornAgain490]

8 minutes ago, Cyoder said:

Suggesting that mental health medication is somehow against God and that mental illness is a myth is pretty terrible advice.  I recommend you stop giving it.  People take medications for a multitude of problems, how is this any different?  You wouldn't just pray about cancer, you would go to the doctor as well.  Mental illness is no different.  I will agree that way too many people are on medications they don't actually need but it doesn't mean that nobody needs them.  

You asked in your OP.   Why?  Did you only want replies affirming psycho-tropics?  Are you seeking encouragement to go that route?

[kwikphilly]

On 1/12/2025 at 5:54 PM, BornAgain490 said:

I recommend you and your wife first read The Myth of Mental Illness, by Thomas Szasz. 

Bedore I was saved, when I suffered from PTS, I went the psych meds and counseling route at first.  But the best results for me that relieved my PTS was talking freely about it with others who were similarly situated. 

Believe me, there's more people out there than anyone realizes who have PTS and are just looking for someone to talk to. 

After I was saved, I weaned off the meds, kept the counseling and open dialogue with others going, but found my greatest ally in Jesus Christ and the word of God. He is our great physician. 

Drugs that alter your mind, found in nature or produced in a lab, are incompatible with our walk with Christ.  In Christ we have been promised a sound mind. Trust Him. 

 

Amen- Praise Jesus.... So many Believers will fight tooth & nail on this subject,let's just tell it like it is- bondage,there's a foothold ,a stronghold in an oppressed mind and the Truth Does Set you Free.... In this day & age more than ever before with the podcasts,the blogs,the tele psychologist,psychiatrists and social media (they are like clubs or cults) there is a rampant Spirit of lunacy wreaking havoc.... Spiritual Warfare

There's no doubt some symptoms can be addressed with meds,chemicals or holistic products but people are just masking the symptoms ,dulling it or replacing one symptom for another ( effects of a drug).....  But what's the root cause,science will prove( for example) there is a chemical imbalance blah blah blah.... Yes,of course but why? Not much different than getting cancer because some cells morphed and mutated,but why? Where does all sickness and disease come from?

It comes from the thorns & thistles that would be loosed that fateful day in the Garden of Eden---sickness,disease & disorder is not of God... Jesus Conquered all manner of sickness & disease,didn't he?

Anyway,beautiful Testimony - Glory to God!

No doubt God Gives us physicians and salves and balms for ailments & sickness but prayer for Guidance is a must do,God Should be our FIRST Line of Defense and " go to' Jehovah Rapha!I seriously question the use of hallucinogens as the Word of God Tells us to Remain sober - any altered state of mind is a doorway you do not want opened .... Keep the Helmet of Salvation in place

With love in Christ,Kwik

[BornAgain490]

3 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Amen- Praise Jesus.... So many Believers will fight tooth & nail on this subject,let's just tell it like it is- bondage,there's a foothold ,a stronghold in an oppressed mind and the Truth Does Set you Free.... In this day & age more than ever before with the podcasts,the blogs,the tele psychologist,psychiatrists and social media (they are like clubs or cults) there is a rampant Spirit of lunacy wreaking havoc.... Spiritual Warfare

There's no doubt some symptoms can be addressed with meds,chemicals or holistic products but people are just masking the symptoms ,dulling it or replacing one symptom for another ( effects of a drug).....  But what's the root cause,science will prove( for example) there is a chemical imbalance blah blah blah.... Yes,of course but why? Not much different than getting cancer because some cells morphed and mutated,but why? Where does all sickness and disease come from?

It comes from the thorns & thistles that would be loosed that fateful day in the Garden of Eden---sickness,disease & disorder is not of God... Jesus Conquered all manner of sickness & disease,didn't he?

Anyway,beautiful Testimony - Glory to God!

No doubt God Gives us physicians and salves and balms for ailments & sickness but prayer for Guidance is a must do,God Should be our FIRST Line of Defense and " go to' Jehovah Rapha!I seriously question the use of hallucinogens as the Word of God Tells us to Remain sober - any altered state of mind is a doorway you do not want opened .... Keep the Helmet of Salvation in place

With love in Christ,Kwik

Amen. 

[Cyoder]

5 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

You asked in your OP.   Why?  Did you only want replies affirming psycho-tropics?  Are you seeking encouragement to go that route?

There is a vast difference between experimenting with psychedelics and going to a psychiatrist and getting a prescription medication.  To suggest that prescription psych medication is basically going to send you to hell is pretty irresponsible. I don't understand how going to a doctor and getting antibiotics is ok, but you have to just pray to overcome mental illness, or you can't "walk with Christ".  That's what was said.  It would have been completely different if praying and trusting in God was brought up as an alternative or something to do in conjunction with medical treatment which I totally agree with.  I do think drugs should be the last resort for treatment and they are prescribed too quickly.

Do you know why my wife needs medication? She almost died from a brain tumor.  After the brain tumor, her PTSD got exponentially worse.  You see something similar with people that have CTE from repeated head injuries.  God doesn't heal everyone just by praying, usually you have to take some kind of action along with the prayer.  In fact, he barely heals anyone that way.  When he does, it's so extraordinary they refer to it as a miracle.  That's how God works.  Some he heals, others he guides to people or doctors that can help.  

 

 

 

[BornAgain490]

2 minutes ago, Cyoder said:

To suggest that prescription psych medication is basically going to send you to hell is pretty irresponsible

Psych meds alter the mind and can be an invitation to demonic influence 

 

4 minutes ago, Cyoder said:

She almost died from a brain tumor.  After the brain tumor, her PTSD got exponentially worse.  You see something similar with people that have CTE from repeated head injuries. 

Sorry to hear about your wife. Doctors arent able to diagnose CTE; it's discovered post mortem. 

 

7 minutes ago, Cyoder said:

God doesn't heal everyone just by praying, usually you have to take some kind of action along with the prayer.  In fact, he barely heals anyone that way.  When he does, it's so extraordinary they refer to it as a miracle.  That's how God works.  Some he heals, others he guides to people or doctors that can help

When I was a heathen,I relied on psych meds. When I was saved, with God as my guide I weaned off those meds and recommend everyone do the same if you're in Christ. Other meds like antibiotics, pain relievers, and other non-psychotropic meds, anything that does not alter the mind, I am not against. But psychotropic meds like mushrooms lsd, and others, I recommend you stay away from.  Hope that helps. 

[Sower]

6 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

When I was saved, with God as my guide I weaned off those meds and recommend everyone do the same if you're in Christ. Other meds like antibiotics, pain relievers, and other non-psychotropic meds, anything that does not alter the mind, I am not against.

My wife and pretty much have done similar, med free save one each total. We both encountered several incidents over the years that were misdiagnosed by experts for loved ones that could have been prevented. Then the covid and experts banning a drug I had previously used successfully for two years  in the military told me something really stinks in the medical field.

I found a free PDF download on that book mental illness by Thomas S. Szasz. It is the updated one from the 70's. Just started but agree with his insights and how I have often had similar thoughts.

Thanks BA

 

[Cyoder]

On 1/21/2025 at 2:49 PM, BornAgain490 said:

Psych meds alter the mind and can be an invitation to demonic influence 

 

Sorry to hear about your wife. Doctors arent able to diagnose CTE; it's discovered post mortem. 

 

When I was a heathen,I relied on psych meds. When I was saved, with God as my guide I weaned off those meds and recommend everyone do the same if you're in Christ. Other meds like antibiotics, pain relievers, and other non-psychotropic meds, anything that does not alter the mind, I am not against. But psychotropic meds like mushrooms lsd, and others, I recommend you stay away from.  Hope that helps. 

You have no idea if anything you said is actually true.  It's nothing but superstition and it's not even specifically backed by scripture.  How arrogant is it to assume that everyone taking psych meds is an unsaved heathen?  Are you God?  Wine is mind altering and the Bible talks about the use of it constantly.  Jesus even provided more to a wedding.  Nobody was drunk at the wedding?  Why do you think they ran out of wine? 

I never said my wife had CTE.  I gave it as an example of a type of physical damage to the brain that causes behavioral problems.  Not everything is Satan and witchcraft.  Also, prescription psych meds have nothing to do with psychedelics.  They are more like taking insulin for diabetes. How do you know these people weren't guided by God to seek help with medication? 

[BornAgain490]

45 minutes ago, Cyoder said:

You have no idea if anything you said is actually true.  It's nothing but superstition and it's not even specifically backed by scripture.

The big pharmacy conglomerates are deceivers and are mentioned in Revelation as sorcerers. (Rev. 18:23).

 

53 minutes ago, Cyoder said:

How arrogant is it to assume that everyone taking psych meds is an unsaved heathen? 

How shameful it is to accuse me of calling everyone on psych meds heathens. 

Try to stay within yourself. 

55 minutes ago, Cyoder said:

Wine is mind altering and the Bible talks about the use of it constantly. 

Wine is a natural remedy, and it cures some ailments, but we are not drink to excess and get drunk off of it.  You should know this. 

 

57 minutes ago, Cyoder said:

Nobody was drunk at the wedding?  Why do you think they ran out of wine? 

Your assumption that the weddings guests were drunk is assuming facts not in scripture. Keep to what is written, and stay within yourself. 

 

1 hour ago, Cyoder said:

prescription psych meds have nothing to do with psychedelics. 

Psychedelics alter the mind. Psych meds alter the mind. Mind altering in both cases is done through chemicals, some naturally occurring and most lab manufactured.  When the mind is altered, the demons know and target that altered mind.  I know this because I've seen it with my own eyes. 

 

1 hour ago, Cyoder said:

Not everything is Satan and witchcraft. 

Satan is called the god of this world and prince of the power of the air for a reason. And he never rests. 

[Neighbor]

28 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Your assumption that the weddings guests were drunk is assuming facts not in scripture. Keep to what is written, and stay within yourself. 

 

From the sidelines: New American Standard Bible:
...and said to him, “Every man serves the good wine first, and when the guests are drunk, then he serves the poorer wine; but you have kept the good wine until now.” John 2:10