Downfall of America and Israel in 2027

[The Light]

5 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Let me Splain, as Ricky Ricardo says.

Those were the days...............

5 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Jesus has to Fulfill all 7 Feast, did you know that brother? 

The Spring Feasts Jesus fulfilled in his first Advent

1.) Passover (Jesus is the blood sacrifice that covers our sin)

2.) Unleavened Bread (Jesus knew no sin, so he was unleavened)

3.)First-fruits (Jesus was the First-fruits of the Dead)

Check.

5 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

4.) Feast of Weeks/Summer's Church Harvest Season. (Jesus is our High Priest in Heaven, to all men who call upon his name, bot Jew and Gentile. He does this sitting  at the Right hand of God. Jesus is then sent back by the Father to END the Harvest/Church Age. He does so by rapturing the Church at the Last Trump).

Pentecost. The barley harvest. The dead in Christ rise first. The alive remain.

Either the Feast of New Wine or Tu B'AV is likely the time the alive that remain are raptured. This is the time of the wheat harvest.

5 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Fall Feasts

5.) Feast of Trumps ( So, what always ENDED THE HARVEST? The Feast of Trumps or Last Trump. This is why in Jesus' coming it is called the Last Trump that kicks it all off. We the Church will be Harvested/Raptured pre 70th week/pre trib.) 

Feast of New Oil the 144,000 are sealed.

Feast of Trumpets. Fall fruit harvest. The 12 tribes across the earth are raptured immediately after the tribulation of those days at the 6th seal at the last trump.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

6.) Feast of Atonement Next, Israel has to ATONE or Repent and we know  the 1/3 does JUST BEFORE the Wrath of God falls.

That is not the wrath of God you are referring to, that is the tribulation. The woman Israel, those that do as instructed, flee to a place prepared for her. When the dragon can't get to the woman, he goes after her seed who are the 12 tribes across the earth. The Church is already in heaven before the tribulation.

The 7th seal is the one year wrath of God. That is followed by the one year day of atonement.

5 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

7.) Feast of Tabernacle (To TABERNACLE means to Dwell with God and Jesus dwells in/with Israel for 1000 years. 

Check.

5 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Feast #5 happens during the 2000 year Desolation of Israel. 

Feast #5 is the Feast of Trumpets. It happens at the 6th seal when all eyes see the coming of the Lord. The elect are gathered from heaven and earth. All go to heaven for the marriage supper which takes place in heaven during the one year wrath of God.

5 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

The Wheat is the Jews, the Barley comes in first, not the Wheat. 

The wheat is the summer harvest which is the alive that remain of the Church. The barley is the spring harvest which is the dead in Christ which will rise first.

The Jews, which are the seed of the woman are the 12 tribes across the earth. They will be raptured at the 6th seal......hence the great multitude in heaven in Rev 7 which are both the Church and the Jews that have their eyes opened after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. 

[The Light]

On 2/9/2025 at 11:37 PM, Revelation Man said:

You do not understand Prophesy then, Dan. 8:9 MANDATES the Anti-Christ has to be born in Greece and Dan. 7:7-8 mandates he comes to power in the E.U.  

I don't believe either of these are true. What is your scriptural support?

[Revelation Man]

14 hours ago, The Light said:

Pentecost. The barley harvest. The dead in Christ rise first. The alive remain.

Either the Feast of New Wine or Tu B'AV is likely the time the alive that remain are raptured. This is the time of the wheat harvest.

Its not about anyone rising per se, that happens at the Last Trump that ends the Harvest of the Church Age. We are now Harvesting souls, by winning souls on earth, as the Church, with Jesus as the head of the body, we the church are the body. We will be harvested first, as the Barley, at the pre trib. Rapture, but we are also now Harvesting as Human Beings unlike the way Jesus Harvests by calling us home in Rev. 4:1 and Rev. 14:14 (SAME EVENT), we Harvest souls to be reaped later, in the Spiritual realm, an Jesus raises those people at a later date. 

14 hours ago, The Light said:

Feast #5 is the Feast of Trumpets. It happens at the 6th seal when all eyes see the coming of the Lord. The elect are gathered from heaven and earth. All go to heaven for the marriage supper which takes place in heaven during the one year wrath of God.

14 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No, the 6th Seal is almost to the Mid Point, it merely tells us what is soon to come at the Mid way point (1260) when the 7th Seal is loosed or taken off. 

The Last Trump sounds as the 70th week starts up. We are Harvested in Rev. 14:14 which shows a Cinematic Flashback to the pre 70th week Rapture of the Church.

14 hours ago, The Light said:

The wheat is the summer harvest which is the alive that remain of the Church. The barley is the spring harvest which is the dead in Christ which will rise first.

The Jews, which are the seed of the woman are the 12 tribes across the earth. They will be raptured at the 6th seal......hence the great multitude in heaven in Rev 7 which are both the Church and the Jews that have their eyes opened after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. 

The Wheat Grows with the Tares, until the end (Jews), they need to be CRUSHED in order to be Harvested, we as Barley(Church) can be Harvested or Sifted without being CRUSHED. The word used for Tribulation, in English was derived from a Greek word used for a machine used to crush Wheat, it was called the Tribulum, hence Tribulation. 

You are conflating the Wheat (Jews) timing with the Barley (Churches timing).

Edited February 21 by Revelation Man

[Revelation Man]

12 hours ago, The Light said:

I don't believe either of these are true. What is your scriptural support?

We get the end time little horn shown unto is in back to back chapters in Dan. 7 & 8. Both are indeed the End Time Anti-Christ. We get the Political Dynasty he arrives out of in Dan. 7, the Fourth Beasts Head (Rome) has 10 (Completion) Horns arise or the E.U. in full, matters not when, if it had 8 original states, or 25 plus as now, the  number 10 is therefore ALWAYS CORRECT because it designates completion (The USA with 13 states were the complete USA as with 48 and we are still COMPLETE with 50, see my point? ). So, this Number 10 represents an End Time Kingdom (E.U.) and thus the Little Horn arising AMIDST the 1o means he is born in the E.U. and has his political position as the E.U. President. We can see the same kingdom arise, only the Church Age separates this kingdoms parameters and timelines, but for the most part it looks identical on the two maps below. 

The Fourth Beast = Rome

The European Union or E.U. (10) is in Blue, (Below) they currently have Agreements (Covenant) with the Nations in Brown which run in 7 year cycles, Google it. So, in Dan. 11:40-43 go read who the King of the North (AC) conquers, its a play by play of the map below as the Anti-Christ/Little Horn conquers MANY COUNTRIES (to get at Israel as in  Lebanon, Syria and Jordan), he then conquers Israel (Pleasant Land) and then Egypt and all of North Africa. He conquers Turkey (Selecus) also, that's one of THE MANY here also, but its more powerful presentation when shown in Dan. 8:9. So, thus now the E.U. President becomes THE BEAST. Meaning he will rule once again, after he has healed the Mortal Wound in which the Church gave a Wound to the Roman Beast. But HOW SO some may wonder? By turning Rome from a Beast into a Nation who turned unto God, who helped take Christianity to the ends of the earth via the Latin Vulgate Bible. Once the Anti-Christ reconquers the Mediterranean Sea Region, the Wound is HEALED. 

Now lets do Dan. 8:9 with a run up to verse 9.

8 Therefore the he goat (Alexander the Great or AtG) waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken(AtG); and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven (God gives us the Four Winds terminology for a reason).

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn(End time AC see vs. 17 this is a dream about THE END), which waxed exceeding great(means he Conquers in that DIRECTION), toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

This above verse is what happens in Dan. 11:40-43, he conquers TOWARDS the East (Turkey or Seleucus) and TOWARDS the South (Egypt or Ptolemy)  and TOWARDS Israel. Now you tell me which Direction that leaves to Conquer FROM? The Northwest Corridor only.

So, God tells us this Little Horn HAS TO BE BORN amidst the 10 or in the European Union, AND Daniel 8:9 tells us he HAS TO Conquer towards the East (Turkey/Seleucus) and towards the South (Egypt/Ptolemy) and towards Israel. So, that leaves him conquering from the Northwest portions of the Four Generals Map which can only mean he has to come out of Greece (Cassander) which is in the E.U. Thus he has to be able to fulfil both prophesies, and thus only a person born in Greece can fulfill these Prophesies in the end times. 

Edited February 21 by Revelation Man

[The Light]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Its not about anyone rising per se, that happens at the Last Trump that ends the Harvest. We ae now Harvesting souls, by winning souls on earth, as the Church, with Jesus as the head  of the body, we the church are the body. We will be harvested first, as the Barley, at the pre trib. 

The dead in Christ rise first. They are the barley harvest. The alive that remain are the wheat harvest.

The barley and wheat........the grain harvest...........are the Church.

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

Rapture, but we are also knowing Harvesting as Human Beings unlike the way Jesus Harvests by calling us home in Rev. 4:1 and Rev. 14:14 (SAME EVENT),

Revelation 4:1 is not the same event as Revelation 14:14.

Revelation 4:1 is the grain harvest which is the pretribulation rapture of the Church.

Revelation 14:14 is the fruit harvest. It is the rapture of the 12 tribes across the earth which is the seed of the woman Israel. Those 144,000 first fruits we see earlier in Revelation 14 are the first fruits of the fruit harvest. Grapes are fruit. 

This event is the rapture that takes place at the 6th seal. The righteous are taken to heaven for the marriage supper. That is why there is a great multitude in heaven in Revelation 7. The righteous are in heaven during the one year wrath of God and unrighteous are cast into the 7th seal wrath of God.

Revelation 14

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

Those harvested in Revelation 14 are Jews. They are the ones coming out of Great Tribulation as the Church is in heaven before the great tribulation. They sing the song of Moses because they are Jews.

Revelation 15

2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

 

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No, the 6th Seal is almost to the Mid Point, it merely tells us what is soon to come at the Mid way point (1260) when the 7th Seal is loosed or taken off. 

The mid point of the week is when the AOD is set up. That is when the tribulation begins. The tribulation of those days is over at the 6th seal as we can PROVE by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Can you not see that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal? The sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven. There is a rapture. It is the Jews that are raptured at the 6th seal as they sing the song of Moses.

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Last Trump sounds as the 70th week starts up. We are Harvested in Rev. 14:14 which shows a Cinematic Flashback to the pre 70th week Rapture of the Church.

At the last trump........Jesus comes for a harvest........the Jews. There is one year for the wrath of God which is the 7th seal. Then there is one year left for the day of Attonement. There is no flashback. Revelation 14:14 occurs at the 6th seal before the wrath of God. The Church is already in heaven before the tribulation. The 12 tribes are in heaven before the wrath of God. No believer is appointed to wrath. 

The woman, Israel, those that flee to the place of protection remain on the earth during the wrath of God along with unbelievers

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Wheat frows with the Tares, until the end, they need to be CRUSHED in order to be Harvested, we as Barley can be Harvested or Sifted without being CRUSHED. The word used fir Tribulation, in Greek was derived from a machine used to crush Wheat, it was called the Tribulum, hence Tribulation. 

You are conflating the Wheat (Jews) timing with the Barley (Churches timing).

The dead in Christ rise first. This is the barley harvest. The alive remain until the end of summer. This is the wheat harvest. 

The Jew are raptured in the fruit harvest which takes place at the 6th seal.....Revelation 14:14. When you are reading Revelation 13 and 14 you are reading more information that occurs during the 1st 6 seals. When you are reading Revelation 16, you are reading more events that take place during the 7th seal. The trumpets and vials are the wrath of God and take place in the 7th seal.

[DeighAnn]

On 2/19/2025 at 8:38 AM, Luther said:

Thank you. I didn't understand anything about the religion of talmudic Judaism until about two years ago. In some respects I wish I never did. 

Thank you for that comment!

What I once saw as a 'deficit' when comparing myself to everyone else, who seemed to have info on all of them, I now see as one of the best parts of my walk with God through His words.  I know 'basically' nothing when it comes to 'religions' having never studied a single one. From the beginning of this journey (with a teacher who taught me how to read the Bible for myself), I told myself when I get to the point that I understand ALL the words of God through the leading of the Holy Spirit*  it would be only at that point would I go looking at what else might be out there...and I am happy to report, I am not even close to that yet, as a matter of fact, I get further from that point with every study...

Hallelujah

*except for using things like the Interlinear, Lexicon, Hebrew and Greek and the word definitions, tenses, etc... but   that was before I started in these forums. Now that nowhere near as true as it once was but that solid foundation remains as to what I build upon. 



 

[Luther]

4 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Thank you for that comment!

What I once saw as a 'deficit' when comparing myself to everyone else, who seemed to have info on all of them, I now see as one of the best parts of my walk with God through His words.  I know 'basically' nothing when it comes to 'religions' having never studied a single one. From the beginning of this journey (with a teacher who taught me how to read the Bible for myself), I told myself when I get to the point that I understand ALL the words of God through the leading of the Holy Spirit*  it would be only at that point would I go looking at what else might be out there...and I am happy to report, I am not even close to that yet, as a matter of fact, I get further from that point with every study...

Hallelujah

*except for using things like the Interlinear, Lexicon, Hebrew and Greek and the word definitions, tenses, etc... but   that was before I started in these forums. Now that nowhere near as true as it once was but that solid foundation remains as to what I build upon. 



 

Totally agree. We get well grounded in the  truth of God's word. Sometimes we may hold a varying view, but hence the opportunity to share those differences. 

We have assurance that believers will all come to the knowledge of the truth. I believe that there are teachings that have crept in over time such as the way we are to look at the state of Israel and it's people. 

This is a critical doctrine to get right. And in this case it is extremely helpful to understand the basic premise of Judaism, which has a direct relationship to Communism ( created by the  jew Moses Mordecai Levi ( a.k.a. Karl Marx).

This is all part of God's plan, and I'm not sure how the nations are going to react once we're all on the same page     ( although I have an idea).

What I believe matters the most is to not be under the strong delusion of believing the lie (2 Thessalonians 2) of gleefully helping them prepare the way for their  "messiah". 

The world is also getting more annoyed at most Christians because of their support for them if you've noticed lately. 

 

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, The Light said:

The dead in Christ rise first. They are the barley harvest. The alive that remain are the wheat harvest.

No, the Dead in Christ and those of us alive RISE AT THE EXACT SAME TIME, you are misinterpreting Paul's effort to reassure living Christians why their loved ones deaths was not a problem for God raising them up, some thought their loved ones would not make it to heaven because they had died. So, Paul puts on his spin machine (remember, I will be ALL THINGS unto ALL PEOPLE) and says, hey you dead loved ones will rise first (in other words a fraction of a second before those who are alive are CHANGED from living men unto Spiritual Beings without Sin Flesh) and we who are alive will BE CHANGED, and.....AND? Meet in the air to go be with Jesus. So, if you and your spouse walk in a Grocery store at the same time, and her foot beats yours in the door did she really go in first? No, you walked in together, Paul is spinning his Church here to take away their current fears that he knew were UNFOUNDED, these Letters  were never written by Paul to be "Scriptures of God" Paul was merely trying to pump up his Church Members Faith, and take away their doubts & fears. All Church Members both Jew ad Gentile, both Dead & Alive will be raised at the Last Trump to go Marry the Lamb Jesus in Heaven, as we reside in the Fathers House 7 Years (like 7 days for a Jewish Wedding Tradition).

1 Cor. 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep(Die) , but we shall all be changed(From Humans to Spirit Men with no Sin Flesh which vs. 50 says CANOT enter Heaven),

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (At the SAME TIME)

1 Thess. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then (At the same time) we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

We are all raised at the SAME TIME my beloved brother in Christ, the Jews who are not in the Church, however as a Nation, only repent during the 70th week, as Zech. 13:8-9 and 14:1 shows and as Rev. 7 shows (the 144,000) and as many other places show like Rev. 12 etc. etc. They are the Wheat, see Rev. 14:1 below.

Rev. 14:11 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand(5 Million Jews who Repent or 1/3), having his Father's name written in their foreheads (Jews ONLY.........The Wheat of the Parable).

2 hours ago, The Light said:

The barley and wheat........the grain harvest...........are the Church.

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

2 hours ago, The Light said:

Revelation 4:1 is not the same event as Revelation 14:14.

 

Of course it is, you are getting way too bogged down in the Metaphor of these Harvests, I was the one who originally told you about the Barley Harvest years ago in a long post. The POINT is the Barley comes in before the Wheat and does not have to be Crushed in order to be SIFTED whereas the Wheat MUST FIRST be Crushed in order t be sifted. You are off on a timing tangent and you miss the point being made, Israel must go through the TRIBULATION, or be crushed in order to be Harvested by God, we the Church are not in need of being crushed as the Barley First Fruits because we are already ready for sifting, but why? Because we are of God already, we live by Faith, Israel are not of God yet, they will be (at least 1/3) but only during the 70th week do they repent, but some Jews are in the Church, so they were only blinded IN PART (as a Nation, not as individuals). So, I remember the posts and chatting with you 5 or 6 years ago, now you have went in a whole nother direction with it, and seems to have changed from Pre Trib. to something else. 

You misdiagnose them, Rev. 4:1  ENDS the Church Age (Rev. 2 & 3) and Rev. 14:14 is that very Rapture Event that had to be retold because Rev. 14 is THE HARVEST CHAPTER. Jesus shows how when he returns Israel (144,000......5 million Jews......1/3) will be with him in Jerusalem ruling for 1000 years in The Kingdom Age. So, Rev. 14:14 shows that Pre Trib. Rapture of the Church, Jesus Harvests them from upon a CLOUD, we go up to meet Jesus in THE AIR as those other verses above say. 

2 hours ago, The Light said:

This event is the rapture that takes place at the 6th seal. The righteous are taken to heaven for the marriage supper. That is why there is a great multitude in heaven in Revelation 7. The righteous are in heaven during the one year wrath of God and unrighteous are cast into the 7th seal wrath of God.

 

Nothing happens at the 6th Seal brother, you will find out once you made heaven someone enticed you into a cul-de-sac dead end road. The Righteous in Rev. 7 were Raptured Pre Trib. in the verses I cited, Rev. 4:1 and Rev. 14:14 is a flashback, because God gives us THEMED CHAPTERS, Rev. 14 is the Harvest Chapter.

2 hours ago, The Light said:

Revelation 14

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

This is the Wicked Tares/Grapes, remember the parable, The Wheat (Jews) will grow TOGETHER with the Wicked Tares, and the tares will be bound up (killed) and BURNED LATER (at the 2nd Resurrection 1000 years later. Above we see Three Harvests, te Wheat or Jews who Repent, the Wicked Grapes who are harvested at the same time, and the Church who are Harvested at the Pre 70th week Rapture. 

2 hours ago, The Light said:

Those harvested in Revelation 14 are Jews. They are the ones coming out of Great Tribulation as the Church is in heaven before the great tribulation. They sing the song of Moses because they are Jews.

 

No, they are PROTECTED, not killed. The Jews will serve with Jesus for 1000 years, so they are the Women who is protected, those Martyrs under the Altar are Gentiles who come unto Christ Jesus after the Rapture. You are chasing rabbits down holes my friend. Those coming out of the GREAT Tribulation (not THE tribulation) in Rev. 7 are the Pre Trib. Raptured Church. We came out of 2000 years of Great Tribulation where millions of our brothers were killed to further the Gospels reach unto the world.

Rev. 15 and 16 should be one chapter. Its just the Angels readying the Vials to be poured out.

3 hours ago, The Light said:

The mid point of the week is when the AOD is set up. That is when the tribulation begins. The tribulation of those days is over at the 6th seal as we can PROVE by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

 

No, the 1290 is the Midst of the week, not the exact middle, we ca all see that out of 7 years (2520 days) that 1260 is the exact middle not 1290 days. The Wrath of Gid begins 30 days after the AoD which is a SIGN for the Jews to Flee Juda, thus they have 30 days to flee, else why show them a sign to start with? Seal #6 is Jesus telling the Church in heaven what will soon come at the Fourth Trump. The Sun & Moon goes dark/dim. Man, whoever sent you down this never ending hole must have been convincing.

3 hours ago, The Light said:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Yes AFTER the Asteroid hits, IMMEDIATLY AFTERWARDS the Sun & Moon dims by 1/3 or Darkens, not after the 1260 days of Troubles END, but after they BEGIN !!

THEN SHALL APPEAR (1260 days later) Jesus to end it all. We get the exact same TIME JUMP in Zech. 14:2-3.

Zech. 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh(the 1260 Asteroid Event seen in Rev. 8), and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Here is the exact same JUMP IN TIME..........

3 Then(1260 days LATER just like Matt. 24:29 to 30 is a 1260 day JUMP)  shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,...

3 hours ago, The Light said:

Revelation 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

This is a FORETELLING of the coming Wrath seen in Rev. 8 via the Fourth Trumps DARKNESS, but the First Trumps FIRES causes it to eventually GET DARK (dim by 1/3). The untimely figs is Satan being cast down to earth with his Demons.

3 hours ago, The Light said:

Can you not see that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal? The sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven. There is a rapture. It is the Jews that are raptured at the 6th seal as they sing the song of Moses.

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Tribulation BEGINS at the First Trump in Rev. 8. Jesus is FORETELLING of the Anti-Christs ACTIONS TO COME in Seals 1-5 and about God's COMING WRATH in vs. 6, both cover the exact same 42 month period of time. The 7th Seal however Opens these Scroll Judgments, that is why it is over in Rev. 8. The LAST TRUMP begins the 70th Week, its a different trump than the Revelation Trumps of wrath.

4 hours ago, The Light said:

At the last trump........Jesus comes for a harvest........the Jews.

No, the Jews repent late, that is why the Feast of Atonement comes AFTER the LAST TRUMP or Feast of Trumps. I just told you its like a predetermined history of the world as told by God.

Harvest/Church Age followed by the end of the Church Age Harvest where the Feast of Trumps ends the harvest and announces the Feast of Atonement comes next, because Israel still has to repent after the Church is raptured pre trib., thus they can not be harvested until after they repent during the 70th week. Lastly, its not the same type of Harvest, we will have Glorious Bodies, they will still be earthly men, who will continue to have children. Thus Jesus rules over a Kingdom Age where Jerusalem is the center of the world for 1000 years. 

4 hours ago, The Light said:

There is one year for the wrath of God which is the 7th seal.

You are confused on this brother.

4 hours ago, The Light said:

Then there is one year left for the day of Attonement.

Israel ATONES BEFORE the DOTL Falls, see Zech. 13:8-9 where the 1/3 repent, followed by...drumroll, The DOTL arriving in Zech. 14:1.

God Bless

[DeighAnn]

22 minutes ago, The Light said:

The dead in Christ rise first. They are the barley harvest. The alive that remain are the wheat harvest.

The barley and wheat........the grain harvest...........are the Church.

 

3 hours ago, The Light said:

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Can you not see that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal?

Can you not see that the tribulation of Satan BEGINS with those signs?   

666   -    We are told of Satans coming in the 6th seal, not the Lords

 all the kingdoms of the world become His when?  7



WHY would stars FALL to the EARTH as UNTIMELY figs be a 'description' of 

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.


RATHER THAN

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.



Joel 2:31, Acts 2:20
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

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The sun will be TURNED into darkness and the moon into blood before than coming day of [the] Lord, great and glorious

3344. metastrephó 
Strong's Lexicon
metastrephó: To change, to alter, to pervert, to turn
Original Word: μεταστρέφω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metastrephó
Pronunciation: meh-tah-STREF-oh
Phonetic Spelling: (met-as-tref'-o)
Definition: To change, to alter, to pervert, to turn
Meaning: I turn, change, corrupt, pervert.

Word Origin: From the Greek words "meta" (meaning "after" or "beyond") and "strephó" (meaning "to turn" or "to twist").

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: While there is no direct Hebrew equivalent for "metastrephó," the concept of perverting or twisting can be found in Hebrew words like עָוַת (avah, Strong's H5753), which means to bend or make crooked.

The sun will be turned into DARKNESS and the moon into blood before than coming day of [the] Lord, great and glorious

4655. skotos 
Strong's Lexicon
skotos: Darkness
Original Word: σκότος
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine; Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: skotos
Pronunciation: SKO-tos
Phonetic Spelling: (skot'-os)
Definition: Darkness
Meaning: darkness, either physical or moral.

Word Origin: Derived from the base of σκεῦος (skeuos), meaning "a vessel" or "implement," which metaphorically extends to the concept of obscurity or darkness.

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H2822 - חֹשֶׁךְ (choshek): Often used in the Old Testament to describe physical darkness and metaphorically for ignorance or evil (e.g., Genesis 1:2, Exodus 10:21).

Usage: In the New Testament, "skotos" primarily refers to physical darkness, the absence of light. However, it is often used metaphorically to describe spiritual or moral darkness, symbolizing ignorance, sin, and separation from God.

 It contrasts with "phos" (light), representing truth, righteousness, and divine presence.

Cultural and Historical Background: In ancient Greek culture, darkness was often associated with chaos, evil, and the unknown. This symbolism carried into Jewish thought, where darkness was seen as the domain of evil forces and a state of spiritual blindness. The New Testament writers, drawing from this cultural backdrop, used "skotos" to depict the spiritual condition of those who live apart from God's truth and light.

HELPS Word-studies
4655 skótos (a neuter noun) – properly, darkness (obscurity); (figuratively) the principle of sin with its certain results.

WHY would the sun CHANGE TO A STATE OF EVIL AND CHAOS WHEN CHRIST RETURNS?  

Are the signs in the sun and moon for Satan coming wrath of them turning into GOODNESS AND LIGHT?



The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood BEFORE than coming day of [the] Lord, great and glorious

before, ere.
Adverb from pro; prior, sooner -- before (that), ere.

Englishman's Concordance
Matthew 1:18 Adv
GRK: τῷ Ἰωσήφ πρὶν ἢ συνελθεῖν
NAS: to Joseph, before they came together
KJV: to Joseph, before they
INT: to Joseph before rather came together
Matthew 26:34 Adv

GRK: τῇ νυκτὶ πρὶν ἀλέκτορα φωνῆσαι
NAS: [very] night, before a rooster
KJV: this night, before the cock crow,
INT: night before [the] rooster crows

Matthew 26:75 Adv
GRK: εἰρηκότος ὅτι Πρὶν ἀλέκτορα φωνῆσαι
NAS: had said, Before a rooster
INT: who had said Before [the] rooster crows

Mark 14:30 Adv
GRK: τῇ νυκτὶ πρὶν ἢ δὶς
NAS: very night, before a rooster crows
KJV: this night, before the cock crow
INT: night before that twice

Mark 14:72 Adv
GRK: Ἰησοῦς ὅτι Πρὶν ἀλέκτορα δὶς
NAS: the remark to him, Before a rooster
KJV: unto him, Before the cock crow
INT: Jesus Before [the] rooster twice

Luke 2:26 Adv
GRK: ἰδεῖν θάνατον πρὶν ἢ ἂν
NAS: death before he had seen
KJV: death, before he had seen
INT: he should see death before that anyhow

Luke 22:61 Adv
GRK: αὐτῷ ὅτι Πρὶν ἀλέκτορα φωνῆσαι
NAS: He had told him, Before a rooster
INT: to him Before [the] rooster crows

John 4:49 Adv
GRK: Κύριε κατάβηθι πρὶν ἀποθανεῖν τὸ
NAS: come down before my child
KJV: Sir, come down ere my child
INT: Sir come down before dies the

John 8:58 Adv
GRK: λέγω ὑμῖν πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι
NAS: I say to you, before Abraham
KJV: I say unto you, Before Abraham was,
INT: I say to you Before Abraham was

John 14:29 Adv
GRK: εἴρηκα ὑμῖν πρὶν γενέσθαι ἵνα
NAS: I have told you before it happens,
KJV: you before it come to pass,
INT: I have told you before it comes to pass that

Acts 2:20 Adv
GRK: εἰς αἷμα πρὶν ἐλθεῖν ἡμέραν
NAS: INTO BLOOD, BEFORE THE GREAT
INT: into blood before come [the] day

Acts 7:2 Adv
GRK: τῇ Μεσοποταμίᾳ πρὶν ἢ κατοικῆσαι
NAS: when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived
KJV: in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt
INT: Mesopotamia before than dwelt

Acts 25:16 Adv
GRK: τινα ἄνθρωπον πρὶν ἢ ὁ
NAS: over any man before the accused meets
KJV: die, before that
INT: any man before that the [one]



The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before THAN coming day of [the] Lord, great and glorious

2228. é 
Strong's Lexicon
é: or, than
Original Word: ἤ
Part of Speech: Particle, Disjunctive Particle
Transliteration: é
Pronunciation: ay
Phonetic Spelling: (ay)
Definition: or, than
Meaning: or, than.

Word Origin: A primary particle of distinction between two connected terms

And they ARE CONNECTED...as SATAN will be coming BEFORE we are gathered to the Lord...JUST LIKE the SUN will put on SACKCLOTH and the moon BLOOD BEFORE the coming of the Lords Day

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,










 

[The Light]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

We get the end time little horn shown unto is in back to back chapters in Dan. 7 & 8. Both are indeed the End Time Anti-Christ. We get the Political Dynasty he arrives out of in Dan. 7, the Fourth Beasts Head (Rome) has 10 (Completion) Horns arise or the E.U. in full, matters not when, if it had 8 original states, or 25 plus as now, the  number 10 is therefore ALWAYS CORRECT because it designates completion (The USA with 13 states were the complete USA as with 48 and we are still COMPLETE with 50, see my point? ). So, this Number 10 represents an End Time Kingdom (E.U.) and thus the Little Horn arising AMIDST the 1o means he is born in the E.U. and has his political position as the E.U. President. We can see the same kingdom arise, only the Church Age separates this kingdoms parameters and timelines, but for the most part it looks identical on the two maps below. 

First let me compliment you on your excellent presentation. Well done.

I do not agree with the above, however. The 10 kings are not the EU. The 10 kings are a world wide kingdom that are likely under the banner of the United Nations as the rider on the white horse, is given the stephanos crown which is the leaf crown of victory and the symbol of the UN.

Stephanos Crown

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Fourth Beast = Rome

 So, in Dan. 11:40-43 go read who the King of the North (AC) conquers, its a play by play of the map below as the Anti-Christ/Little Horn conquers MANY COUNTRIES (to get at Israel as in  Lebanon, Syria and Jordan), he then conquers Israel (Pleasant Land) and then Egypt and all of North Africa. He conquers Turkey (Selecus) also, that's one of THE MANY here also, but its more powerful presentation when shown in Dan. 8:9. So, thus now the E.U. President becomes THE BEAST.

There are two beasts. The beast of the sea is the little horn.

The beast of the earth has two horns and one these horns is the rider on the white horse who is a FORMER king of the North. This former king of the north will be given the stephanos crown of the United Nations. He will give his power to the little horn and cause the earth to worship the little horn.........who was and is not and will come again. The little horn is Nimrod who had the deadly wound of the sword and will come again.

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

Meaning he will rule once again, after he has healed the Mortal Wound in which the Church gave a Wound to the Roman Beast. But HOW SO some may wonder? By turning Rome from a Beast into a Nation who turned unto God, who helped take Christianity to the ends of the earth via the Latin Vulgate Bible. Once the Anti-Christ reconquers the Mediterranean Sea Region, the Wound is HEALED. 

The little horn is Nimrod who had the deadly wound of the sword and will come again. 

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, God tells us this Little Horn HAS TO BE BORN amidst the 10 or in the European Union, 

The 10 is not the European Union. The 10 is a world government under the UN.

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

AND Daniel 8:9 tells us he HAS TO Conquer towards the East (Turkey/Seleucus) and towards the South (Egypt/Ptolemy) and towards Israel. So, that leaves him conquering from the Northwest portions of the Four Generals Map which can only mean he has to come out of Greece (Cassander) which is in the E.U. Thus he has to be able to fulfil both prophesies, and thus only a person born in Greece can fulfill these Prophesies in the end times. 

 

He comes out of one of the regions of Grecian empire that has be broken into 4. That region would contain Babylon. The beast that was and is not and will come again is the eight king.........and he is of the 7. He is the king of Babylon. He is the Assyrian. He is Nimrod reborn.