Rome or Islam?

[Revelation Man]

16 hours ago, other one said:

Is the beast that rises from the bottomless pit, the entity we generally refer to as the antichrist?

No sir my friend, he is a Demon named Apollyon, Satan is not locked up until the 2nd coming, no man can die and return. As a matter of fact any ENTITY can be a Beast over Israel as long as they are over them physically as in a Nation Beast or Man Beast via the A.C. or it can be a Demon like Satan the Red Dragon or Apollyon the Destroyer. Each chapter gives us a tell tale clue as per unto who each is, in chapters 12, 13 and 17.

Rev. 12 the Red Dragon Beast has "Crowns" on the 7 Heads which were placed by God over Israel, but that is because Satan is over all kingdoms on earth, as he told Jesus in Luke 4. So, the 7 Crowns on the head tells us this Beast is the ruler of kingdoms over all the earth, but God designates Egypt, to Rome and finally the Anti-Christ here as Beasts.

Rev. 13 tells us the Anti-Christ man Beast has "Crowns" on the 10 Horns (10 = the E.U. or Europe completely Reunited) and thus he is King over the E.U. (President)

Rev. 17 never tells us this Scarlet Colored Beast has ANY CROWNS at all, on the 7 Heads or 10 Horns, thus he is not King over any Nation physically, nor as a Demon on this earth because he is under Satan, so of course he has no crowns at all, BUT........He is the 8th King (I love God's beautiful riddles) and is OF THE SEVEN.

How? He is the King of the Bottomless Pit, and he was over every Beast Kingdom from Egypt to Rome, then he was locked in the pit for the duration of the Church Age, he's released at the First Woe, then he is again placed over the Anti-Christ kingdom, so he will have been over all 7 Beasts. He is OF THE 7..........but is an 8th. 

Edited Thursday at 04:11 PM by Revelation Man

[JoeCanada]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, he comes out of the Northwest Corridor of the FOUR GENERALS (Cassander/Greece) and he conquers COUNTRIES to get at Israel, who is in his way? Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria

Jordan escapes. Jordan is not conquered by the King of the North.

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

but IS NOT ALLOWED to conquer Edom, Moab nor Ammon, where the 1/3 who repent flee unto. 

You say "the AC/Little Horn is NOT ALLOWED to Conquer Edom, Moab and Ammon" 

You say he conquers Jordan ..... This is Jordan..... Edom, Moab and Ammon.

Scripture says the KotN does not conquer Jordan. 

Edited Thursday at 04:27 AM by JoeCanada

[Diaste]

18 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

He is Assyrian by blood, he is Greek by BIRTH, and he comes to power in the E.U. because he is a Citizen of the E.U. I understand all this, I understand he's not a Muslim. You are trying to fit in one man's bad interpretation, Joel Richardson gave you guys the Soup of the Day.

So I never quote Joel Richardson. I don't quote man in any of my OPs or responses. It's unfair that you make this assumption. Old Joel Richardson came well after I was arguing for Islam over Rome. He's just popular.

Scripture doesn't tell us the precise location where the beast come to power, what the scripture does say is the beast's power is directly related to a deadly head wound that's healed and through aegis of the dragon, who gives the beast power and authority.

18 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The two maps tell us who he is, we see Rome, then we see the E.U. and all those the AC Conquers in Dan. 11:40-43, which creates a Kingdom IDENTICAL to Old Rome in 117 AD. 

Well, I only see the king of the north and the king of the south in Dan 11. The only time Rome is mentioned is in Dan 11:30. This occurred here:

"In 168 BC, Antiochus led a second attack on Egypt and also sent a fleet to capture Cyprus. Before he reached Alexandria, his path was blocked by a single elderly Roman ambassador named Gaius Popillius Laenas who delivered a message from the Roman Senate directing Antiochus to withdraw his armies from Egypt and Cyprus or consider himself in a state of war with the Roman Republic. "

Fulfilling Dan 11:30. Otherwise only Asia Minor, Mesopotamia and Egypt are the focus. Interestingly, this rebuff by the Roman Senate led to the fury Antiochus IV delivered to the Jewish religion, and Israel, in the form of the A of D and forced conversion. 

Also interesting is that Antiochus IV was the King of Syria, ruling from Damascus. This the type and template for the beast. Not some Macedonian citizen of Arab lineage being the head of one the worst organizations in all history.

18 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Why do you think we get a RUN-DOWN of every Greek King in Daniel 11? Just for fun? No, we get every king up to Antiochus Epiphanes, the Archetype AC, then in verses 36-45 we get the END TIME (Greek born) Anti-Christ. 

Are the Evel Knievel of eschatology? Leaping vast chasms and missing the mark? You know what line is followed in Dan 11, the Diadochi in general and the KOTN and KOTS specifically, as well as the 3rd player, Antiochus IV, the precursor to the end of the age beast, "Then the king will do as he pleases and will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and he will speak monstrous things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been decreed must be accomplished. 37He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers, nor for the one desired by women, nor for any other god, because he will magnify himself above them all."

18 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You will have wasted years searching, and when you get to Heaven God the Father will say I tried to show you but you would not listen. 

It wasn't wasted. If I hadn't learned about all the inconsistencies and made up interpretations of the pretrib fantasy first, I would have not searched out the matter to find the truth. 

Even though pretrib is a grand story, it is a only a not so clever facade playing on the weakness of the flesh and the laziness of the religious. 

Even pretrib has a purpose in the plan of our Father.

[JoeCanada]

14 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, he Conquers TOWARDS the East (Turkey) TOWARDS the South (Egypt) and TOWARDS the Pleasant Land (Israel)

Dan. 8:9 And out of one of them(Four Generals Kingdoms) came forth a little horn(Anti-Christ/Beast), which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land(Israel). 

Scripture says ... TOWARD THE SOUTH .... then toward the east ... then toward the pleasant land

Some people who claim to be experts in deciphering prophecy, think that its ok to do a "switch of words" to help their agenda, figuring its no big deal.

14 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, how can Turkey (Seleucid) conquer towards the East?

Exactly!

I know a guy who can change a few words and make it happen.

14 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No brother, you just do not understand how to interpret Prophesy, EVERYTHING MUST MESH

Yup, everything must mesh ........ in the order written.

[Revelation Man]

12 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Jordan escapes. Jordan is not conquered by the King of the North.

 

No, Edom, Ammon and Moab escapes (well  at least I get your pushback now, made me think you were at odds with the Petra/Bozra area being protected) not Jordan, that is pretty much only the Mountainous areas of Central and Southern Jordan. He still conquers everything in Jordan save that area.

12 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

You say "the AC/Little Horn is NOT ALLOWED to Conquer Edom, Moab and Ammon" 

You say he conquers Jordan ..... This is Jordan..... Edom, Moab and Ammon.

Scripture says the KotN does not conquer Jordan. 

No, those areas are in what we now know as Jordan, but they are not Jordan in full.

 

 

So, only the Mountainous Areas in Moab, Ammon and Edom are being spoken of, mainly in the higher elevation points. Yes, by naming these three its basically saying Jordan of today, or about half of Jordan, but even then its only the Higher elevation points in Moab, Ammon and Edom. So, its not Jordan in full that is protected by God, but only the Mountainous areas in those three places. See Matt. 24:15-16.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

He goes through COUNTRIES to get at Israel, he's just not allowed to conquer certain Mountainous areas in Jordan, not Jordan in full.

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, @JoeCanada and @Revelation Man.

Gentlemen, you're "barking up the wrong tree." The prophecies of Daniel 10-12 are all FULFILLED, with the exception of a verse or two in Daniel 12!

The writer of "HereALittleThereALittle.net," Bryan T. Huie (written December 30, 2005 and Revised: January 2, 2012), gave us this information from HISTORY,

{DANIEL 11:40 "At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through." (NKJV)

Remember, this prophecy is not primarily concerned with Syria, Egypt, Rome or any other foreign power, but with the fate of Daniel's people, the Jews. Verses 40-43 are a parenthetical insert describing the last major battle over the land of Israel before the Messiah appeared.

For the final time in this prophecy, we see the king of the South and the king of the North engage one another in battle. Here, the king of the South is Mark Antony and his ally Cleopatra (the last monarch to occupy the Egyptian throne). The king of the North is Octavius, who as the official representative of Rome, was ruler of the former Syrian empire of the Seleucids.

Antony and Octavius made a pact with a third party (Marcus Aemilius Lepidus) to rule Rome after the assassination of Julius Caesar in 44 BCE. In the civil war that followed Caesar's death, they defeated the assassins' forces in 42 BCE. The next year, Antony fell in love with Egyptian queen Cleopatra. After Antony suffered a military defeat against the Parthians in 36 BCE, he and Octavius had a falling out. Worsening the situation was the fact that, in 32 BCE, Antony divorced his Roman wife, Octavia (the sister of Octavius) and ceded many of the eastern Roman territories to Cleopatra and their children. Finally, in 31 BCE, a new civil war broke out between the Roman Senate-supported Octavius and Antony/Cleopatra.

The Roman historian Plutarch wrote that the first move in the war was made by Antony (at the insistence of Cleopatra). Thus we see that the "king of the South" indeed first attacked the "king of the North." The Roman Senate quickly pronounced Antony an outlaw and declared war on Cleopatra.

In this war, Herod supported Antony and sent supplies to his forces. He wished to join Antony for a final showdown with Octavius, but fortunately Antony dispatched him (Herod) and his troops to fight the Nabatean king Malichus I.

Amazingly, the prophecy was accurately fulfilled in regard to the composition of the forces engaged in the war. Despite the fact that each side had assembled large infantry forces, Plutarch records that these infantry were not engaged at all in the short war. Although his generals advised Antony to use his overwhelming infantry advantage to defeat Octavius, Antony decided to prosecute the war primarily with ships in order to satisfy the request of Cleopatra. Thus the conflict was decided by chariots, horsemen, and in a major naval battle, approximately 630 ships. After the navy of Antony and Cleopatra was routed off the promontory of Actium in Greece on September 2, 31 BCE, the infantry deserted and never saw battle.

Seeing that Antony was all but defeated, Herod helped Quintus Didius, the Roman governor of Syria, prevent a troop of Antony's gladiators from reaching Egypt to aid Antony. Herod then undertook a dangerous sea voyage in winter 30 BCE to meet with Octavius on the Greek island of Rhodes. Herod came to him humbly and stated that he would be as loyal to Octavius as he had previously been to Antony. Octavius accepted Herod's pledge and promised him continued rule over Judea.

DANIEL 11:41 "He shall also enter the Glorious Land, and many countries shall be overthrown; but these shall escape from his hand: Edom, Moab, and the prominent people of Ammon." (NKJV)

The course Octavius took after his victory over Antony and Cleopatra accurately follows the prophecy. He passed through Syria, Judea (the "glorious land"), and Egypt in his pursuit of the pair. However, the lands of Edom, Moab, and Ammon were not invaded during this excursion. A later expedition into these areas (about 25 BCE), under the command of Aelius Gallus along with 500 troops from Herod, was not successful and no further efforts were made against them.

DANIEL 11:42 "He shall stretch out his hand against the countries, and the land of Egypt shall not escape." (NKJV)

Antony's plans to regroup their forces in Alexandria failed, since most of his soldiers had deserted to join Octavius. Based on a false report that Cleopatra had killed herself, Antony committed suicide with his own sword. Cleopatra actually lived for some weeks after Antony's death and met Octavius on at least one occasion to negotiate the best possible situation for her children. Realizing that Octavius was planning to publicly exhibit her as a captive in his victory parade in Rome, she too committed suicide, reportedly by allowing a venomous asp to bite her.}

You're bickering about a prophecy that has ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED! When the Messiah returns, how much of the Millennium will you need to be RE-SCHOOLED in the truth? After the Resurrection of those who belong to the Messiah Yeeshuwa`, you can hear it from EYE-WITNESSES!

Edited Thursday at 07:58 PM by Retrobyter
to correct the web address

[JoeCanada]

4 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, @JoeCanada and @Revelation Man.

Gentlemen, you're "barking up the wrong tree." The prophecies of Daniel 10-12 are all FULFILLED, with the exception of a verse or two in Daniel 12!

The writer of "HereALittleThereALittle.net," Bryan T. Huie (written December 30, 2005 and Revised: January 2, 2012), gave us this information from HISTORY,

{DANIEL 11:40 "At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through." (NKJV)

Remember, this prophecy is not primarily concerned with Syria, Egypt, Rome or any other foreign power, but with the fate of Daniel's people, the Jews. Verses 40-43 are a parenthetical insert describing the last major battle over the land of Israel before the Messiah appeared.

For the final time in this prophecy, we see the king of the South and the king of the North engage one another in battle. Here, the king of the South is Mark Antony and his ally Cleopatra (the last monarch to occupy the Egyptian throne). The king of the North is Octavius, who as the official representative of Rome, was ruler of the former Syrian empire of the Seleucids.

Antony and Octavius made a pact with a third party (Marcus Aemilius Lepidus) to rule Rome after the assassination of Julius Caesar in 44 BCE. In the civil war that followed Caesar's death, they defeated the assassins' forces in 42 BCE. The next year, Antony fell in love with Egyptian queen Cleopatra. After Antony suffered a military defeat against the Parthians in 36 BCE, he and Octavius had a falling out. Worsening the situation was the fact that, in 32 BCE, Antony divorced his Roman wife, Octavia (the sister of Octavius) and ceded many of the eastern Roman territories to Cleopatra and their children. Finally, in 31 BCE, a new civil war broke out between the Roman Senate-supported Octavius and Antony/Cleopatra.

The Roman historian Plutarch wrote that the first move in the war was made by Antony (at the insistence of Cleopatra). Thus we see that the "king of the South" indeed first attacked the "king of the North." The Roman Senate quickly pronounced Antony an outlaw and declared war on Cleopatra.

In this war, Herod supported Antony and sent supplies to his forces. He wished to join Antony for a final showdown with Octavius, but fortunately Antony dispatched him (Herod) and his troops to fight the Nabatean king Malichus I.

Amazingly, the prophecy was accurately fulfilled in regard to the composition of the forces engaged in the war. Despite the fact that each side had assembled large infantry forces, Plutarch records that these infantry were not engaged at all in the short war. Although his generals advised Antony to use his overwhelming infantry advantage to defeat Octavius, Antony decided to prosecute the war primarily with ships in order to satisfy the request of Cleopatra. Thus the conflict was decided by chariots, horsemen, and in a major naval battle, approximately 630 ships. After the navy of Antony and Cleopatra was routed off the promontory of Actium in Greece on September 2, 31 BCE, the infantry deserted and never saw battle.

Seeing that Antony was all but defeated, Herod helped Quintus Didius, the Roman governor of Syria, prevent a troop of Antony's gladiators from reaching Egypt to aid Antony. Herod then undertook a dangerous sea voyage in winter 30 BCE to meet with Octavius on the Greek island of Rhodes. Herod came to him humbly and stated that he would be as loyal to Octavius as he had previously been to Antony. Octavius accepted Herod's pledge and promised him continued rule over Judea.

DANIEL 11:41 "He shall also enter the Glorious Land, and many countries shall be overthrown; but these shall escape from his hand: Edom, Moab, and the prominent people of Ammon." (NKJV)

The course Octavius took after his victory over Antony and Cleopatra accurately follows the prophecy. He passed through Syria, Judea (the "glorious land"), and Egypt in his pursuit of the pair. However, the lands of Edom, Moab, and Ammon were not invaded during this excursion. A later expedition into these areas (about 25 BCE), under the command of Aelius Gallus along with 500 troops from Herod, was not successful and no further efforts were made against them.

DANIEL 11:42 "He shall stretch out his hand against the countries, and the land of Egypt shall not escape." (NKJV)

Antony's plans to regroup their forces in Alexandria failed, since most of his soldiers had deserted to join Octavius. Based on a false report that Cleopatra had killed herself, Antony committed suicide with his own sword. Cleopatra actually lived for some weeks after Antony's death and met Octavius on at least one occasion to negotiate the best possible situation for her children. Realizing that Octavius was planning to publicly exhibit her as a captive in his victory parade in Rome, she too committed suicide, reportedly by allowing a venomous asp to bite her.}

You're bickering about a prophecy that has ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED! When the Messiah returns, how much of the Millennium will you need to be RE-SCHOOLED in the truth? After the Resurrection of those who belong to the Messiah Yeeshuwa`, you can hear it from EYE-WITNESSES!

Thanks Roy,

Thanks for sharing the historic play-by-play of Dan 10 to 12. There is a lot of stuff in there that I did not know.

However...

Although much of Dan 10-12 can be shown to have historically occurred, I see the prophecy as a near-far prophecy.

Wording such as ... "the latter days ... at the time of the end ... until the end time.... etc" .... says to me that the prophecy is meant for the time of the end, although some/part/most can be shown to have occurred historically.

I do not hold to a preterist view of most biblical prophecies. 

 

[Revelation Man]

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

So I never quote Joel Richardson. I don't quote man in any of my OPs or responses. It's unfair that you make this assumption. Old Joel Richardson came well after I was arguing for Islam over Rome. He's just popular.

Not really, because no one had this as a possibility until he put it forth 20 some odd years ago. I know people on here who buys into Russia is the Bear, England is the Lion, the USA is the Eagle etc. and even if they do not understand this came from Herbert G. Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God, its still factual that they are espousing Herbert's bad prophetic understandings years after he has departed from this earth. I never heard anyone argue about an Islamic A.C. until the late 90s, then after 9/11 it became the Soup of the Day. 

10 hours ago, Diaste said:

Scripture doesn't tell us the precise location where the beast come to power, what the scripture does say is the beast's power is directly related to a deadly head wound that's healed and through aegis of the dragon, who gives the beast power and authority.

On 12/18/2024 at 8:59 AM, Revelation Man said:

Yes, a Head Wound of a "Figurative Seven Headed Beast" as in Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome in which this Beast System is MORTALLY WOUNDED by the Church, then once again  (after the Churches Rapture) the Beast arises again out of the Sea and Apollyon is released from the pit. The Wound is healed, Israel will once again, (after not being so for 2000 or so years) be under the Beast System, as the Anti-Christ aries to power, then Conquers Israel and THE MANY Nations in the MSR. 

10 hours ago, Diaste said:

Well, I only see the king of the north and the king of the south in Dan 11. The only time Rome is mentioned is in Dan 11:30. This occurred here:

 

That is because this chapter is about how the Greek Kings Lineage leads us to the Archetype A.C. in Antiochus, and verses 36-45 show how the end time Greek king (AC) who is like unto Antiochus will also defile the Temple, kill many Jews, and be killed WITHOUT HAND by Jesus as Antiochus was killed by a disease on the Eastern battle front. 

The period of this End Time Beast sees Greece in the E.U. so he's BOTH a Greek who is also an E.U. Citizen because Greece is in the E.U. of course.

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

Fulfilling Dan 11:30. Otherwise only Asia Minor, Mesopotamia and Egypt are the focus. Interestingly, this rebuff by the Roman Senate led to the fury Antiochus IV delivered to the Jewish religion, and Israel, in the form of the A of D and forced conversion. 

 

Asia Minor, Mesopotamia nor Egypt are in Greece/Cassander. There were Four Generals not 2 right? 

 

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

Also interesting is that Antiochus IV was the King of Syria, ruling from Damascus. This the type and template for the beast. Not some Macedonian citizen of Arab lineage being the head of one the worst organizations in all history.

On 12/18/2024 at 8:59 AM, Revelation Man said:

He was a Greek King.

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

Are the Evel Knievel of eschatology? Leaping vast chasms and missing the mark? You know what line is followed in Dan 11, the Diadochi in general and the KOTN and KOTS specifically, as well as the 3rd player, Antiochus IV, the precursor to the end of the age beast,

As I stated, the End Time Anti-Christ MUST BE a Greek Born  King. This is my calling by God for 40 years as a preacher and teacher brother. You guys biggest issue is you do not take all the verses God gives us on this/many subject(s) and combine them all, here a little there a little, just like my point that Jesus had many prophetic utterances about his 1st coming, they had to all be combined to be understood. He's out of Egypt, AND born in Bethlehem, well a thinking, God man should have known BORN is BORN, so the Messiah must have later moved to Egypt for a period of time (he did). He did when Mary & Joseph fled to Egypt. I am blessed by God because I seek His truth in full, I do not jump to conclusions at all.

People actually take scriptures and warp them, or misunderstand them, like in Rev. 4 where Jesus talks about the Throne of Satan being in Pergamum, he's simple talking about the Temple of Jupiter, who was Zeus, who was Bel in Babylon and Baal before that. So, they say wrongly he's from Turkey having no idea what  the info means in reality.

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

It wasn't wasted. If I hadn't learned about all the inconsistencies and made up interpretations of the pretrib fantasy first, I would have not searched out the matter to find the truth. 

Even though pretrib is a grand story, it is a only a not so clever facade playing on the weakness of the flesh and the laziness of the religious. 

Even pretrib has a purpose in the plan of our Father.

As per unto Eschatology ONLY. Any man who can not get the Pre Trib. Rapture correct, I do not take much of any of his Eschatology serious. I mean how can I? If you can not get the right starting point on END TIME EVENTS, them everything is going to be OFF KILTER right? 

 

[Revelation Man]

10 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Scripture says ... TOWARD THE SOUTH .... then toward the east ... then toward the pleasant land

Some people who claim to be experts in deciphering prophecy, think that its ok to do a "switch of words" to help their agenda, figuring its no big deal.

It is a very SIMPLE VERSE Brother...

Dan. 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land(Israel). 

I wonder hat part of that do people not understand, he WAXES GREAT Towards Israel, means he CONQUERS THEM, because we know Prophesy says HE CONQUERS Israel in the end times right? So, MATCH IT UP, Waxes Great TOWARDS means he Conquers, and thus he Conquers in a simple Four Direction Generals Map, TOWARDS the East and South. meaning he comes out of the Northwest Corridor of this Four General Kingdom. 

People take bad conclusions from other men I discounted long ago, and try to fit the scriptures, I take the Scriptures and ask God to reveal His truths unto me and some times, MANY TIMES, that can take 15-20 years or more, God does things in His own time, but Satan loves tricking those who are not patient. Patience is a big virtue brother.

10 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Exactly!

I know a guy who can change a few words and make it happen.

That is THE POINT, he can only conquer East & South if he is from Cassander or Greece.

10 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Yup, everything must mesh ........ in the order written.

Well, not really, you can have many prophesies about one person or event, written at different times. I suspect you are talking about your biggest hang up, the Pre Trib. Rapture, which is very easy, it should not be something that trips you up brother.

Edited Friday at 03:35 AM by Revelation Man

[JoeCanada]

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

It is a very SIMPLE VERSE Brother...

Dan. 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land(Israel). 

I wonder hat part of that do people not understand, he WAXES GREAT Towards Israel, means he CONQUERS THEM, because we know Prophesy says HE CONQUERS Israel in the end times right? So, MATCH IT UP, Waxes Great TOWARDS means he Conquers, and thus he Conquers in a simple Four Direction Generals Map,

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

 

I clearly understand the verse.

I was correcting the person who changed the order of the wording. That person said that the little horn  ... "waxed exceeding great towards the EAST" first, instead of toward the SOUTH first. This changing the order makes a big difference.

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

TOWARDS the East and South. meaning he comes out of the Northwest Corridor of this Four General Kingdom. 

There you go again. It's not toward the East and South ... its toward the South FIRST, then toward the East.

 

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

That is THE POINT, he can only conquer East & South if he is from Cassander or Greece.

And once more ... the order is changed to fit a persons story line.

It is "toward the south ... THEN "toward the east"

A person HAS to change the order to fit with their EU plot. An army can't begin "toward the south" if it is from Cassander or Greece. They'd end up in the sea.