The Trinity (revised)

[Neighbor]

Hi all,

To seek enlightenment or confirmation on any subject is not to disagree with the statement of WCF faith. To frighten individuals into not seeking  understanding or to try to intimidate by not allowing questions  or even presently held understandings, and or debate, is to act in a tyrannical manner.

Such manner of behavior does not enlighten anyone, nor win anyone over to  a new fuller or "better" understanding; instead it only fosters disharmony amongst the Saints in Christ, which to me is a sad error to be making. One  unfit for any Christian to engage in because it aids Satan  or is actually  a tactic or satan  used to breed such disharmony that many are soon unwilling to have any fellowship with such demanding narrow minded Christians. 

Far better to have full open  discussions, working towards mutual  enlightenment, further study of the Bible, thinking on  it, and praying  about it.

My "opinion" of course- I love the many questions, and views, for they always challenge me personally toward reading the Bible studying it and praying about it's word and how I should be going about applying it.

[Sower]

10 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

My "opinion" of course- I love the many questions, and views, for they always challenge me personally toward reading the Bible studying it and praying about it's word and how I should be going about applying it.

That's cool Neighbor. To be able to have the freedom to do all you claim you do is here made possible by adhering to the required rules that make this possible. If someone has possibly transgressed said rules and is challenged, that is a good thing, as they have opportunity in this forum to explain or justify, hopefully using the word. And Not by intimidation. From any source.

[WordSword]

3 hours ago, farouk said:

If the Lord Jesus was not the Son before He came into the world to save sinners - plenty of Scripture to indicate that the One Who was sent and given was the Son already - then this is serious.

The Word of God had to become something He wasn't before (Word became flesh). He gained this for us in order to do what He did, and now He is the Word of God (Rev 19:13) and the Son of God. The point here is that the Lord Jesus has always been the Word of God, and now is also, for eternity, for us, the Son of God in the new Body He did not have before.

Good insight you have!       

 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

The bible says this:

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: - Rom 1:20 KJV

I hear people say that the divine nature of God can not be understood and that there is nothing in nature to compare the Godhead to, but Rom 1:20 clearly says otherwise.

So what in God's creation can we look to in order to understand God's divine nature (Godhead) so that people are held without an excuse.   I say its Man since God said he made Man in his very image and likeness.  Not only his image but also his likeness.  God create us to be like him and look like him.  So, if a child asked me what does God look like...I can say he looks just like me and you. 

[WordSword]

16 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

The bible says this:

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: - Rom 1:20 KJV

I hear people say that the divine nature of God can not be understood and that there is nothing in nature to compare the Godhead to, but Rom 1:20 clearly says otherwise.

So what in God's creation can we look to in order to understand God's divine nature (Godhead) so that people are held without an excuse.   I say its Man since God said he made Man in his very image and likeness.  Not only his image but also his likeness.  God create us to be like him and look like him.  So, if a child asked me what does God look like...I can say he looks just like me and you. 

Amen, God is "working" in all who are saved to cause us to please Him (Phl 2:13).

[Michael37]

40 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Not only his image but also his likeness.  God create us to be like him and look like him.

God most certainly had an image in mind when He designed and created man. He Himself can manifest in that image, but is not confined to it.

John 4:24 says, "God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." This verse emphasizes the nature of God as a spiritual being, not confined to physical form, and highlights the importance of genuine, heartfelt worship.

How does this verse resonate with your understanding of worship?

[Neighbor]

4 hours ago, Sower said:

That's cool Neighbor. To be able to have the freedom to do all you claim you do is here made possible by adhering to the required rules that make this possible. If someone has possibly transgressed said rules and is challenged, that is a good thing, as they have opportunity in this forum to explain or justify, hopefully using the word. And Not by intimidation. From any source.

Amen!

p.s. Don't know what I "claim" I do.  Usually whatever happens to me or that I am led to be  involved in I do not even know a why  or how of them until afterward, sometimes years afterward.

God seems to have had me rigged up with blinders like a race horse so that I run the race as though to win without seeing the many distractions on the path He has set for me to run.

O' course these days I  wheeze and sneeze, huff and puff, just punching at letters on a keyboard. Not seeing half of them and whiffing trying to hit others - Gets comical at times. 

[JohnD]

You cannot define the totality of the incarnation based on verse which only describe the incarnation in part.

Example:

1 Timothy 2:5 (NKJV)
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

The fact of the matter is that he preexisted the incarnation.

John 1:1–2 (NKJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.

John 1:14 (NKJV)
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

In Philippians 2:6 the Greek is far more explicit about his deity and that he remained in that deity even when taking upon himself the second nature of a man in the phrase "morphe theos huparchon" = never ceasing to be God.

Furthermore, Isaiah 44:24 states twice that the Creator of all things created in the beginning did so alone by himself. And it refers to him as YHVH / the LORD. Therefore John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, and Hebrews 1:2 all clarify that this lone Creator is the preincarnate Jesus which Genesis 1:1 clearly states was God.

 

[JohnD]

Hebrews 1:3 in the Greek charakter and Colossians 1:15 eikon refer to external attributes...

he is the [visible] image of the invisible God.

I don't know just how perceptive our spirit sight will be in heaven once we are perfected, but the only visible sight of God we can see with our eyes in this life is Jesus.

[farouk]

On 11/5/2024 at 12:05 PM, other one said:

John informed us that Jesus existed in the form of God before the incarnation and was with the Father from the beginning.  He is not a created being, so can't be a son.  In his preincarnate form, it was he that hands on created the universe and us.  All things came from the Father, through him.

Hebrews 1:'Unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever"...