Has the 70th week of Daniel begun?

[Triton57]

On 12/7/2024 at 10:55 AM, douggg said:

That Elijah-like figure (the false prophet of Revelation 13) may be the Yanuka, av Shlomo Yehuda. (You Tube videos)

That's very interesting, thank you for sharing that.

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The 70th week will not start until right after Gog/Magog.   Ezekiel 39:9, those 7 years are the same 7 years of Daniel 9:27.

I mostly agree with Chris White's take on Gog/Magog, which he has been re-publishing at Bible Prophecy Talk. (I also recommend his books free online at Bible Prophecy Text) He presents it much more clearly and walks through a lot of the points very well.

Basically though I think there may be an apparent Gog/Magog event that could be pointed to, enhancing the great deception. For instance the false prophet calling fire from heaven like Elijah and there is a belief that Messiah ben Joseph will be killed during Gog/Magog and then be resurrected as Messiah ben David in some Rabbinical beliefs. It was a way to explain Isaiah 53 and other prophecies without Yeshua in the mix.

However, I think the Gog/Magog attack is depicted in Revelation 20:7-10, the only other place where Gog/Magog is explicitly named. There are many other reasons behind this that Chris goes into such as the time after the millennium being the only time we could really expect Israel to be dwelling safely, a precursor to the attack. Of course this could also be simulated in how I expect the coming years to play out, where Israel will defeat all her enemies, by nature creating a time of apparent peace where there are no enemies in her borders to be afraid of, until the attack just before the false christ returns to Jerusalem and dies.

Daniel 11:40-12:1
And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many [countries] shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, [even] Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians [shall be] at his steps. But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

It may be the expectation of Rabbinical tradition where Messiah ben Joseph becomes Messiah ben David is tied to a false Gog/Magog attack, the strong delusion God sends that they believe a lie (resurrection), and the abomination of desolation, which will be portrayed as the false christ having died and rose again for his people and taken their sins away, therefore no longer requiring the daily sacrifice. Since he is now their god in the temple, they will worship him there. Not all of Israel will agree with this and the holy land will be purged of those who do not so that all Judea is "holy" in the twisted interpretation of the false christ.

Jeremiah 31:31-34
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Isaiah 4:1-6
And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach. In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth [shall be] excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel. And it shall come to pass, [that he that is] left in Zion, and [he that] remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, [even] every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem: When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning. And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory [shall be] a defence. And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the daytime from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.

To a blinded people not understanding the ultimate fulfillment in Yeshua, I believe the false christ will use the very scriptures of Yeshua to point to another. He will have brought the hearts of the people back to God, defeated her enemies, built the temple and returned the nation to the covenant, strengthening it, and once he is killed defending Israel and resurrected, the seventh head that continued for only a short time will become the eighth and will replace the Mosaic Covenant with one of his own design, assuming the mantle of Yeshua in the eyes of the blind. In this I don't think the abomination of desolation will be a bad thing in their eyes, everyone will know this false god because he will dwell in the temple and has just taken away their sins. They don't need to sacrifice anymore.

However, in reality a false god has just taken away the daily and by placing himself as an idol in the temple to be worshiped, created an abomination that makes the temple of God desolate. Just as in the Old Testament, by going after a false god, the majority of Israel will once again be a harlot, this time riding on the Dragon, whose head and little horn directs this false christ kingdom against those who are faithful to the One True God. And just as in Yeshua's time, the blood of the saints will be spilled in honor of this false god they now serve, being deceived into thinking this great deception is the messiah they've been waiting for.

[Triton57]

11 hours ago, The Light said:

And yet, the millennial kingdom is 1000 years and it cannot begin until the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. That is when the millennial kingdom is set up..........after wrath.

Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

I simply see the day of the Lord encompassing a time longer than one year, a time that begins for 1,230 days with the wrath of God and then continues into His kingdom after the wrath is completed. I see in scripture the day of the Lord described both as darkness and judgement and vengeance and also light. I see in scripture that time is not reckoned in terms of the rotation of the Earth and equated to 1,000 years. To be honest though, I know we are changed and caught up before the day of the Lord and I expect this mystery and all the others will be revealed in greater detail at that time.

[Triton57]

11 hours ago, The Light said:

The trumpets, thunders, and bowls all occur during the one year wrath of God. The Euphrates is on its way to drying up now and it would not take much for this to happen. During the wrath of God the two witnesses will cause it not to rain during their prophecy so it won't take much for the Euphrates to dry up.

Revelation 11

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

I believe we are discussing this in greater detail here regarding my view of the seals, trumpets, and bowls so I'll just state here that I see the 7 trumpets are not handed out until after the seventh seal is broken, and the seven bowls are not handed out until after the seventh trumpet begins to blow, just before they are poured out. Revelation 10:5-7 indicates the trumpet lasts for days and the mystery of God is finished. So if it begins to blow before the seven bowls are handed out, and its end is the completion of God's design, then all the bowls would be happening within the time of the seventh angel sounding the seventh trumpet to it's completion.

Could this happen within one year? Personally, I don't think so. There is a framework of exact-day prophecies that places the abomination of desolation 1,290 days before the end of the 70th week and within that is the 1,260 days of the false christ's power and 1,260 days of Israel's protection from the Dragon leaving 30 days from the abomination of desolation to Yeshua's return to save and seal faithful Israel in the wilderness. This also then would place the day of the Lord at the exact middle of the week with 1,260 days remaining.

Taking this into account, a one year wrath would mean there remained 2.5 years, most of which the false christ is still given power over the saints during. It is my understanding from scripture that the completion of the 7 trumpets, 7 thunders, and 7 bowls will be tied to the time just before Armageddon, meaning that a 1 year wrath would leave time after the completion of God's judgement where the Dragon has free reign before Armageddon. This doesn't match with the finality of God's judgements on the kingdom of the beast in my mind. I'm open to being wrong about this, I just have too many other elements pointing to the gathering of the armies to Armageddon a little closer to Christ's return to end the reign of the false christ.

[The Light]

22 hours ago, Triton57 said:

I simply see the day of the Lord encompassing a time longer than one year, a time that begins for 1,230 days with the wrath of God and then continues into His kingdom after the wrath is completed. I see in scripture the day of the Lord described both as darkness and judgement and vengeance and also light. I see in scripture that time is not reckoned in terms of the rotation of the Earth and equated to 1,000 years. 

The day of the Lord is one year.

Isaiah 61

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

The day of the Lord is vengeance and destruction. It is dreadful. Does that sound like any part of the millennial kingdom?

Isaiah 2:12

For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

 

Isaiah 13:6

Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

 

Isaiah 13:9

Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

 

Jeremiah 46:10

For this is the day of the Lord God of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord God of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.

 

Ezekiel 13:5

Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the Lord.

 

Ezekiel 30:3

For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.

 

Joel 1:15

Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

 

Joel 2:1

Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

 

Joel 2:11

And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

 

Joel 2:31

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.

 

Joel 3:14

Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

 

Amos 5:18

Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light.

 

Amos 5:20

Shall not the day of the Lord be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

 

Obadiah 1:15

For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

 

Zephaniah 1:7

Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God: for the day of the Lord is at hand: for the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.

 

Zephaniah 1:14

The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

 

Zechariah 14:1

Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

 

Malachi 4:5

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

 

 

 

 

[The Light]

22 hours ago, Triton57 said:

I believe we are discussing this in greater detail here regarding my view of the seals, trumpets, and bowls so I'll just state here that I see the 7 trumpets are not handed out until after the seventh seal is broken, 

Yes. Correct.

22 hours ago, Triton57 said:

 

and the seven bowls are not handed out until after the seventh trumpet begins to blow, just before they are poured out. 

Totally incorrect.

When the 7th trumpet sounds "the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. THE MILLENNIAL KINGDOM IS SET UP............Armageddon is already over.

Rev 7

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

22 hours ago, Triton57 said:

 

Could this happen within one year? Personally, I don't think so. There is a framework of exact-day prophecies that places the abomination of desolation 1,290 days before the end of the 70th week and within that is the 1,260 days of the false christ's power and 1,260 days of Israel's protection from the Dragon leaving 30 days from the abomination of desolation to Yeshua's return to save and seal faithful Israel in the wilderness. This also then would place the day of the Lord at the exact middle of the week with 1,260 days remaining.

Here's what you will never hear. When the 7th seal is opened that will be a 1 year, 360 day period of wrath......The Day of the Lord. Christ will set up His kingdom at the 7th trumpet. Then there will be a 1 year 360 Day of Atonement.

22 hours ago, Triton57 said:

 

 

[JoeCanada]

12 hours ago, The Light said:

On 12/8/2024 at 7:30 PM, Triton57 said:

 

and the seven bowls are not handed out until after the seventh trumpet begins to blow, just before they are poured out. 

Yes, I believe this to be correct.

The bowls are shallow, and the plagues that are in them are poured out one after the other, in rapid succession.

I believe this to occur during the 10 Days of Awe..... happening after the Feast of Trumpets (the 7th trumpet)

13 hours ago, The Light said:

When the 7th trumpet sounds "the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. THE MILLENNIAL KINGDOM IS SET UP............Armageddon is already over.

Rev 7

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

It seems that at the 7th trumpet that the kingdom of the world, the earthly kingdom that was taken from Adam by Satan, has now been transferred to Christ.

Here then, at the 7th trumpet, is the inauguration of Jesus the King.

"The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever" ... Rev 11:7 NASB

That is all that happens at the 7th trumpet. 

The bowls come after the trumpets.

If you look at verse 19 it says that the "temple of God which is in heaven was opened" .... then

look ahead to Rev 15:5 which says ... "the temple in heaven was opened" ... "and the seven angels who had the seven plagues came out of the temple ... and one of the four creatures gave to the 7 angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God ... and after the 7th angel poured out his bowl, we are told ..."a loud voice from the throne saying "it is done"

This last bowl is the culmination of God's wrath:

The greatest ever earthquake since man came to be on earth ... every island fled away ... the mountains were not found

And hailstones, 100 lbs each, about 3 feet in diameter obliterated, pulverized and flattened what was left after the earthquake. 

 

[The Light]

6 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Yes, I believe this to be correct.

The bowls are shallow, and the plagues that are in them are poured out one after the other, in rapid succession.

I believe this to occur during the 10 Days of Awe..... happening after the Feast of Trumpets (the 7th trumpet)

This is not correct which we can prove by Revelation 14

6 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

It seems that at the 7th trumpet that the kingdom of the world, the earthly kingdom that was taken from Adam by Satan, has now been transferred to Christ.

Here then, at the 7th trumpet, is the inauguration of Jesus the King.

"The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever" ... Rev 11:7 NASB

That is all that happens at the 7th trumpet. 

Right. Jesus has set up His kingdom on the earth, and the wrath of God is over. The bowls are over when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.

6 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

The bowls come after the trumpets.

No sir. The trumpets and bowls occur in the same timeframe which is the 7th seal.

6 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

If you look at verse 19 it says that the "temple of God which is in heaven was opened" .... then

look ahead to Rev 15:5 which says ... "the temple in heaven was opened" ... "and the seven angels who had the seven plagues came out of the temple ... and one of the four creatures gave to the 7 angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God ... and after the 7th angel poured out his bowl, we are told ..."a loud voice from the throne saying "it is done"

I also notice that there are lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail in both Revelation 11 after the 7th trumpet and also in Revelation 16 after the 7th vial.

Revelation 11

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 15

5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

Revelation 16

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

6 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

This last bowl is the culmination of God's wrath:

Yes and it occurs in the 7th seal, just like the last trumpet.

6 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

 

 

 

[Triton57]

On 12/9/2024 at 6:18 PM, The Light said:

The day of the Lord is one year.

Isaiah 61

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

The day of the Lord is vengeance and destruction. It is dreadful. Does that sound like any part of the millennial kingdom?

Luke 4:16-21
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave [it] again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

The acceptable year of the Lord was fulfilled at the beginning of Yeshua's ministry. In fact, if His 40 days in the wilderness correlated with the season of teshuvah, it may have been on Yom Kippur, perhaps even a jubilee year, that he read this.

Isaiah 58:5-7
Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? [is it] to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes [under him]? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD? [Is] not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? [Is it] not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

But why did He stop reading before "and the day of vengeance of our God"? I think this was Yeshua declaring His two-fold fulfillment of the prophecies of Him, first as the suffering servant in 30 AD and then as the conquering king at His second coming. So I don't associate that acceptable year of the Lord with the day of the Lord or His judgement because that wasn't His role at His first coming.

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Isaiah 2:12
For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

Isaiah 13:6
Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Isaiah 13:9
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Jeremiah 46:10
For this is the day of the Lord God of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord God of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.

Ezekiel 13:5
Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the Lord.

Ezekiel 30:3
For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.

Joel 1:15
Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

Joel 2:1
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

Joel 2:11
And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

Joel 2:31
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.

Joel 3:14
Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

Amos 5:18
Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you?
the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light.

Amos 5:20
Shall not the day of the Lord be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

Obadiah 1:15
For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

Zephaniah 1:7
Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God: for the day of the Lord is at hand: for the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.

Zephaniah 1:14
The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

Zechariah 14:1
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Malachi 4:5
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

For sure, I agree the day of the Lord is vengeance and wrath and darkness and destruction from the Almighty. All I'm saying is a day contains both darkness and light. In fact, the beginning of the day is at dusk in the religious culture. So every day starts out dark, and then the Son rises.

Zechariah 14:1-11
[Dusk]

Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. And ye shall flee [to] the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, [and] all the saints with thee.

[Dawn]

And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the light shall not be clear, [nor] dark: But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, [that] at evening time it shall be light. And it shall be in that day, [that] living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and [from] the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses. And [men] shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

I read this and can't help but see 4 times that in that one day which shall be known to the Lord, the same day that began with destruction and war, we see a depiction of the Messianic Kingdom, after the destruction. I'm fully on board with the day of the Lord being wrath and destruction.

[JoeCanada]

16 hours ago, The Light said:

I also notice that there are lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail in both Revelation 11 after the 7th trumpet and also in Revelation 16 after the 7th vial.

Revelation 11

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 15

5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

Revelation 16

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

The 1st earthquake is at the 6th seal:

"I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake ....and every mountain and island were moved out of their places"

The next earthquake is at the 7th trumpet:

"There were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm"

The final earthquake is at the 7th bowl:

"There were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it and so mighty ... and every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. And huge hailstones, about one hundred pound each, came down from heaven upon men; and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, because its plague was extremely severe"

So, as a person can see, there is a progression to the severity of the judgments. They are not the same, they intensify and other elements are added.

They culminate at the 7th bowl, with the greatest earthquake in the history of mankind, levelling all the high places,  followed by the greatest and most intense hailstorm of all time, 100 pound hailstones, about 3' across, pulverizing what remains.

Scripture shows a consecutive judgment of seals, followed by trumpets, followed by bowls. 

Scripture does not show a concurrent judgment of seals, trumpets and bowls, happening at the same time.

 

[The Light]

On 12/11/2024 at 12:54 AM, Triton57 said:

Luke 4:16-21
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave [it] again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

The acceptable year of the Lord was fulfilled at the beginning of Yeshua's ministry. In fact, if His 40 days in the wilderness correlated with the season of teshuvah, it may have been on Yom Kippur, perhaps even a jubilee year, that he read this.

I guess you are unaware that you are proving my point. You are showing that one day is sometimes one year........as in the Day of the Lord is one year long. 

As for the acceptable year of the Lord..........that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Day of the Lord as the day of the Lord is a year of wrath and vengeance.

Additionally, the Day of the Lord begins at the sixth as we can see in Isaiah 34 and Revelation 6

4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

 

8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Revelation 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

So again, your contention that the acceptable year of the Lord happened when Christ came has absolutely nothing whatsoever to with the Day of the Lord........when the Lord returns for one year of vengeance when the 7th seal is opened.

On 12/11/2024 at 12:54 AM, Triton57 said:

Isaiah 58:5-7
Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? [is it] to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes [under him]? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD? [Is] not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? [Is it] not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

Now you have change from the acceptable year of the Lord to the acceptable day TO Lord. Neither has anything to do with the Day of the Lord.

On 12/11/2024 at 12:54 AM, Triton57 said:

But why did He stop reading before "and the day of vengeance of our God"? I think this was Yeshua declaring His two-fold fulfillment of the prophecies of Him, first as the suffering servant in 30 AD and then as the conquering king at His second coming. So I don't associate that acceptable year of the Lord with the day of the Lord or His judgement because that wasn't His role at His first coming.

So you understand that His first coming as a lamb has nothing whatsoever to with when He comes as a lion. They are different times.

On 12/11/2024 at 12:54 AM, Triton57 said:

 

I read this and can't help but see 4 times that in that one day which shall be known to the Lord, the same day that began with destruction and war, we see a depiction of the Messianic Kingdom, after the destruction. I'm fully on board with the day of the Lord being wrath and destruction.

Ok. The day of the Lord is one year long.