The Father and the Son.....what are they doing?

[BlindSeeker]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 You are posting that Spirit or Pneuma in the bible is defined as "current of air" but the definition of curent of air is not defined as Spirit or Pneuma the word found in the bible

Definitions of current of air. air moving (sometimes with considerable force) from an area of high pressure to an area of low pressure. synonyms: air current, current, wind. 

Wow, I'm sorry you posted all that, and apparently completely missed what I said. Try reading it again...
 

Spirit -  Greek word - pneuma;

The word is used to define the essence of God, and even evil spirits, since they are invisible (like breath or wind), yet their existence and movement are undeniable real as witness by their effect upon things.  Kind of like saying "Look how windy it is" when you are actually see leaves and debris being blown about by the wind. Yet who can truly define the essence of God's Spirit? 

But we live as flesh because we have the breath of life given us, and are alive spiritually because His Spirit has been given to us. 

 

The Greek word <pneuma> is literally taken from <pneo> which means "to breathe hard: or a breeze. It represents life and movement, just like "living water" refers to moving water versus still water, example could like when the "angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water" so it would bring healing. 

Edited May 21 by BlindSeeker

[farouk]

On 5/16/2024 at 10:38 AM, tatwo said:

I can truly imagine how any “believer” who is “waiting and watching” for the return of the Lord Yahshua Christ…may be troubled, confused, offended, doubtful, resistant and rejecting of this post and me.

@tatwo A general point: we do indeed need to keep looking up; Hebrews 12.2.

[tatwo]

2 hours ago, farouk said:

tatwo A general point: we do indeed need to keep looking up; Hebrews 12.2.

Yes thank you for the reminder…interestingly…did you read the words I posted “just prior” to having said…“I can truly imaging how any “believer” who is “waiting and watching” for the return of the Lord Yahshua Christ…may be troubled, confused, offended, doubtful, resistant and rejecting of this post and me. However they are the written words of the Lord Yahshua Himself and Paul an apostle of the Lord.”

Shall I assume you did not read what I posted prior or is it that you do not understand what I posted prior?  Perhaps you could read them again and see…that there really wasn’t anything "but encouraging people to look up" in what I posted? I challenge you farouk to bring to this forum a more candid and pointed admonition to…”look up”…than what I posted here…?

Read it again…farouk…feel free to layout your exegesis of these verses…or actually a basic eisegesis would suffice? What do you say? No one else even tried from what I have seen.

Paul in 2Corinthians 5:19 tells us that “God was in Christ”…he tells us “speaking of the Body of Christ” in Galatians 3:28 “you are all one in Christ Jesus”…in Ephesians 1:3 he writes…”who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ.” Ephesians 2:6…“raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 2:10…”For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.”

In Colossians 3:1-3 “If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.  (2)  Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.  (3)  For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.”

Now…let’s consider the Lord Yahshua’s words themselves…“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;  (21)  that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.  (22)  And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:  (23)  I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.” John 17:20-23 NKJV [Emphasis mine]

There is the risk that this is foreign and unbelievable to some…of course the scripture tells us that as well…and I may be overstating it a bit as well. That’s fine I have done no harm to the reader…take it to your alter or throw it aside…as you wish. This is in regards to the “Body of Christ”…not the church of today…in any flavor.

We have learned that…God was in Christ…you are all one in Christ…we have been blessed and “raised up to sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus”…we are where Christ is…we have died and our life is hidden with Christ in God.

What is that but the Fathers fulfillment of His Beloved Son’s prayer?  that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:  (23)  I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one.

So to refine this further…there is a lot going on in Christ [Head and Body]…firstly…God Himself is in Christ and I am in Christ…so God and I are in Christ as One...because Christ in whom God dwells is in me…who is the Holy Spirit. This explains how…I am seated in the heavenly places in Christ. Where I find the good works that God prepared for me beforehand…and I have been given every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places where I sit together in the heavenly places in Christ.

 Tatwo…:)

[tatwo]

On 5/20/2024 at 11:38 AM, BlindSeeker said:

Now the theologians need to acknowledge that God is of an essence that is beyond their comprehension, for how can a finite being in existence for a few decades possibly begin to comprehend an omnipresent spirit that inhabits eternity?

Greetings “BlindSeeker”

Couple questions and perhaps a statement…”Now the theologians need to acknowledge that God is of an essence that is beyond their comprehension…followed up by the question… how can a finite being in existence for a few decades possibly begin to comprehend an omnipresent spirit that inhabits eternity?”

The first thing that jumped out at me was…are you referencing to two “types” of people? One being “the theologians” and the other a “finite being?” Likely you mean it is that all “humans…being finite”… in existence for a few decades possibly begin to comprehend an omnipresent spirit that inhabits eternity?” The latter…yes? In any case…in an attempt to simply yet seriously answer your question…may I submit this to you from 1^st Corinthians 2…?

To save time…I’ll assume you like to read the bible and will read the following…1^st Corinthians chapter 2…noting…where it says… but just as it is written, "THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."

 “Eye has not seen…Ear has not heard…have not entered the heart of man”…these are references to the “the man of flesh”…those unjustified in the Spirit…in specific. This as juxtaposed to those who “love God”…Spirit people…as Paul goes on to explain…“For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.”

What was your question “BlindSeeker”…”how can a finite being in existence for a few decades possibly begin to comprehend an omnipresent spirit that inhabits eternity?” It is not that difficult to answer if you know where to look…right? The answer to your question is…”God revealed them through the Spirit.” You knew that right?

In the rest of that chapter…1^st Corinthians 2…Paul simply goes into detail on “how”…”a finite being in existence for a few decades possibly begin “learns” to comprehend an omnipresent spirit that inhabits eternity?”

Tatwo…:)

[Marilyn C]

Time to get back to the OP otherwise I`ll have to report or close the thread. 

This is to all of us.

[Your closest friendnt]

On 5/14/2024 at 8:22 PM, Marilyn C said:

We know that at this time the Son, Jesus is on His Father`s throne. (Heb. 1: 3)

So, what is the Father doing, and what is Jesus doing? 

Please use scriptures.

These are the words of Jesus to his disciples before his death on the Cross. 

John 16:12-15 “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

[BlindSeeker]

On 5/21/2024 at 7:24 PM, tatwo said:

Greetings “BlindSeeker”

Couple questions and perhaps a statement…”Now the theologians need to acknowledge that God is of an essence that is beyond their comprehension…followed up by the question… how can a finite being in existence for a few decades possibly begin to comprehend an omnipresent spirit that inhabits eternity?”

The first thing that jumped out at me was…are you referencing to two “types” of people? One being “the theologians” and the other a “finite being?” Likely you mean it is that all “humans…being finite”… in existence for a few decades possibly begin to comprehend an omnipresent spirit that inhabits eternity?” The latter…yes?

My first sentence was a comment, followed by a rhetorical question to which I think all should know the answer. IMHO, we will exhaust eternity before we fully comprehend the essence of God. Now, can we gain a basic understanding through God’s word and through His Spirit (again rhetorical)? of course. Yet all understanding must have a foundation to properly build on, and of course, the larger the building the deeper and stronger foundation is required.

On 5/21/2024 at 7:24 PM, tatwo said:

Greetings “BlindSeeker”

Couple questions and perhaps a statement…”Now the theologians need to acknowledge that God is of an essence that is beyond their comprehension…followed up by the question… how can a finite being in existence for a few decades possibly begin to comprehend an omnipresent spirit that inhabits eternity?”

The first thing that jumped out at me was…are you referencing to two “types” of people? One being “the theologians” and the other a “finite being?” Likely you mean it is that all “humans…being finite”… in existence for a few decades possibly begin to comprehend an omnipresent spirit that inhabits eternity?” The latter…yes? In any case…in an attempt to simply yet seriously answer your question…may I submit this to you from 1^st Corinthians 2…?

To save time…I’ll assume you like to read the bible and will read the following…1^st Corinthians chapter 2…noting…where it says… but just as it is written, "THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."

 “Eye has not seen…Ear has not heard…have not entered the heart of man”…these are references to the “the man of flesh”…those unjustified in the Spirit…in specific. This as juxtaposed to those who “love God”…Spirit people…as Paul goes on to explain…“For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.”

What was your question “BlindSeeker”…”how can a finite being in existence for a few decades possibly begin to comprehend an omnipresent spirit that inhabits eternity?” It is not that difficult to answer if you know where to look…right? The answer to your question is…”God revealed them through the Spirit.” You knew that right?

In the rest of that chapter…1^st Corinthians 2…Paul simply goes into detail on “how”…”a finite being in existence for a few decades possibly begin “learns” to comprehend an omnipresent spirit that inhabits eternity?”

I appreciate your sharing your thoughts here, and I recognize that your interpretation of that verse is possibly the most common one, one which I once shared. However, over the years with more time and study, I abandoned it.

I view the “hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory” to be the method of redemption, which Paul as a wise master builder laid the foundation of, which is Jesus Christ and Him crucified. On that alone we build, for it forever be the center point of eternity.

However, we can see that before His crucifixion even the very disciples of Christ were holding to the popular mindset that Messiah was going to come and bring an end to the Roman rule and re-establish the nation of Israel in an even greater glory than its former. It is evident that neither the Jews nor the Romans conceived what God’s Messiah was really going to do, and how it was going to be accomplished, for their eyes had never before seen, nor their ears ever hear of such a thing, that a King would come and defeat his enemies and redeem his people by allowing himself to be captured, tortured, and killed. Nor was it conceivable in their mind, that once a man so brutally killed could victoriously rise again. Especially not the Pharisees, or the Romans, or Pilate, “for had they known they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.” Nevertheless, this is exactly the message and foundation foretold by the prophets, on which all the glorious “things which God has prepared for them that love Him” would forever be established.

You are correct, that no man can understand Jesus as the Christ unless the Father reveals it to them through the Spirit. For yes, comprehending is a necessary attribute of all learning. But I am persuaded the saints eternity will be a forever learning of line upon line, precept upon precept, as God continues to reveal the glory He wrought in Christ Jesus.

If hell is a dark bottomless pit for the wicked who have only memories of their iniquities, heaven is a bright glorious mountain of knowledge of which the summit of understanding will never be reached, and will be glory upon glory upon glory forever, revelations upon revelations of the endless height and depth and width of God’s love for His creatures.

On 5/21/2024 at 7:29 PM, Marilyn C said:

Time to get back to the OP otherwise I`ll have to report or close the thread. 

Certainly, there is much gleaning to be had from the scriptures as to what the Father and the Son are doing.  But like the scriptures, we cannot know the correct answer unless we have ears to hear what the Spirit is saying.

As it says in Ecclesiastics, " for every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven." Just like "when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth His Son" and at the appropriate day and hour He'll return.

But Ecclesiastics states regarding time and seasons, that there is "a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted... a time to break down, and a time to build up... a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together... a time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away... a time of war, and a time of peace."

But how do we know what time it is? Some seasonal things are fairly obvious, but not all things are based upon seasons. Such is why we are to earnest in our watching and praying, and studying to be still and quiet before the Lord, that we might hear His voice. Indeed, the scripture are the sure word of prophecy, but hearing is critical in order for us to truly be about the business of the Lord., i.e., are we gathering stones or casting them away?

Personally, I believe much judgment has been past already and that wrath is yet to fall. Like Habakkuk said, "For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie. Though it tarry, wait for it, because it will surely come."

So, right now, what is the Father doing in America, and worldwide? I submit the following as to what I believe - 

Hebrews 12:26 - Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.  27 And this word, Yet once more, signifying the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:  29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Now, more than ever we need to be watching and praying as the time draws near when "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still, and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still."

Now it is more critical then ever to redeem the time with both labor for the Kingdom and prayer for the lost. 

And Jesus? Apart from watching all things, I believe that due to His knowing the brevity of time is earnest in intercession for His saints sanctification and success in their missions to take the power of the Gospel to the lost. 

May God give us the ears to hear and a spirit of discernment to know the time we are in... 

Luke 19:41 -  And when Jesus was come near, he beheld the city and wept over it, 42 Saying, "If you had only known, even at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto your peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes... 44 [but] because you knew not the time..."

Edited May 23 by BlindSeeker

[The_Patriot21]

You all are discussing what you think they're doing...but maybe they're just tossing a ball around. :)

[Marilyn C]

58 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said:

You all are discussing what you think they're doing...but maybe they're just tossing a ball around. :)

Hi Pat,

Now can you give a scripture for that thought as the OP asks? Otherwise........

[Marilyn C]

Now to those who love God, His word and desire to praise Him in what He is doing now, let`s look at His word.

A few people have drawn our attention to Ps. 110: 1.

`The LORD (father) said to My Lord, (Son), "Sit at My right hand till I make your enemies Your footstool."

Then as we look at other scriptures the enemies become clear and we can see what the Father is doing in bring them to His Son for judgment.

I`m off to visit a friend overnight, so I`ll let those who want to study do so, and then I`ll comment when I return.