Does Heaven Actually Exist?

[missmuffet]

What does the Holy Bible tell us?

[Luther]

32 minutes ago, da_man1974 said:

I have been thinking about this a bit lately.  I am wondering if it is sheole now.  LIke where Jesus went when he died.  

But also, I wonder if when we die we go outside of time.  So hell doesn't exist in our timeline but when we are outside of time it does.  Not sure if that makes any sense or not.  

It's hard to fathom the time thing. I don't believe that Jesus's soul was in  "hell" in the sense of a place of torture. 

Acts 2:27 KJV

Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

" Corruption" is decay in this sense. After a long study of " hell" ( by God's grace) I have been left to understand that " hell" is actually the grave or death, in whatever context the verse will allow. Acts 2:27 is one of many examples. 

I know you think I'm crazy at this point 🙃

 

[da_man1974]

Here's another thought.  Maybe hell is the ultimate death.  Like gone, poof, no more.  Cause it says that it will be a total separation from God.  Well how can anything exist being separated from God?

[missmuffet]

43 minutes ago, da_man1974 said:

Here's another thought.  Maybe hell is the ultimate death.  Like gone, poof, no more.  Cause it says that it will be a total separation from God.  Well how can anything exist being separated from God?

When an unbeliever goes to hell they are alive and very conscious of their surroundings. They will be that way for an eternity and suffering in hell.

[da_man1974]

20 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

When an unbeliever goes to hell they are alive and very conscious of their surroundings. They will be that way for an eternity and suffering in hell.

Are we positive of that?

[missmuffet]

14 minutes ago, da_man1974 said:

Are we positive of that?

What does the Bible tell you?

[da_man1974]

2 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

What does the Bible tell you?

I don't know.  I don't know if I have ever read the exact verse.  I don't spend much time in revelations.

[Luther]

On 2/21/2025 at 1:00 PM, da_man1974 said:

Here's another thought.  Maybe hell is the ultimate death.  Like gone, poof, no more.  Cause it says that it will be a total separation from God.  Well how can anything exist being separated from God?

I agree. 

[Luther]

On 2/21/2025 at 1:45 PM, missmuffet said:

When an unbeliever goes to hell they are alive and very conscious of their surroundings. They will be that way for an eternity and suffering in hell.

That just doesn't sound like something God would do with His creation. I believe that since He had mercy on tens of millions of His elect, then He would then have mercy on the unsaved as well. 

[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, Luther said:

That just doesn't sound like something God would do with His creation. I believe that since He had mercy on tens of millions of His elect, then He would then have mercy on the unsaved as well. 

Suit yourself.