WorthyNews:Two Maine Mass Shootings Kill 22 (Update)

[FJK]

1 minute ago, Rick-Parker said:

The authorities have to first be aware of the people to whom the red flag law applies. Most of the time they are not informed by mental health providers or the courts.

But the arrest for domestic violence wouldn't fall into that category, nor would the threat to attack that military installation,  those can't be passed off as just being unaware to the authorities since the authorities were involved in them.  And this is just preliminary reporting, I imagine much more will be known about him as the story develops (unless if just gets buried, the way the Covenant school shooters manifesto has been for whatever it was that they want to keep secret.

There is no excuse for this type of thing, everyone that does something like this has given clear indications that they were dangerous in advance.

[The_Patriot21]

Chicago has long proven that gun laws do absolutely no good. Fun fact, the vast majority of gun murders in the US are by handguns, not AR style rifles. And most of them, are in cities like Chicago. Where they're largely illegal.

And most of them are gang violence.

I remember as a kid some guy lost it and Held all of Washington DC hostage with a bolt action rifle.

Fact is, your chances of being shot up in a school with a AR are slim. Banning them, won't do any good. A lot of your mass shooters obtain their guns illegally as it is, adding more rules won't make them suddenly start to change the rules.

Even if you did somehow prevent them from obtaining that weapon they would just use something else.

America has a mental health problem, not a gun problem.

[teddyv]

The AR's may not contribute to most gun-related incidents (of course hand guns are more prevalent), but they appear to be the domain of the mass shootings, at least in the last major incidents. Mass shootings are rarely involved with criminals but at the more general public that the perpetrator has some beef with. Arguing that taking away a weapon (or class of weapon) that has the ability to fire multiple rounds very quickly with accuracy and velocity would not result in lessening the impact of these events is questionable logic.

 

[OneLight]

12 hours ago, FJK said:

(FWIW, Maine has a "red flag" law.)

Actually, Maine has a "yellow flag" law.  There is a lot of information about what it means and when it came into effect.  

[OneLight]

You can put any firearm, pistol or long gun. on a table and watch it until the day you die, and it will not hurt you.  Put it in the hands of someone with mental issues and you may be hurt or even killed.  It's not the weapon, but the one using it.  

Edited October 27, 2023 by OneLight

[The_Patriot21]

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

The AR's may not contribute to most gun-related incidents (of course hand guns are more prevalent), but they appear to be the domain of the mass shootings, at least in the last major incidents. Mass shootings are rarely involved with criminals but at the more general public that the perpetrator has some beef with. Arguing that taking away a weapon (or class of weapon) that has the ability to fire multiple rounds very quickly with accuracy and velocity would not result in lessening the impact of these events is questionable logic.

 

Correction, if a person is willing to commit mass murder they are by definition a criminal.

And taking the weapon away, even if possible won't actually stop them...it will just force them to not use that weapon.

Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer.

Because taking away the weapon doesn't take away the problem. 

[FJK]

10 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

Because taking away the weapon doesn't take away the problem. 

No one likes to talk about it but what do you think is the (immediate) main cause of the problem, and what would most likely work to take away the major cause of it?

[The_Patriot21]

11 hours ago, FJK said:

No one likes to talk about it but what do you think is the (immediate) main cause of the problem, and what would most likely work to take away the major cause of it?

The problem? We took the Bible, and morality out of schools. Which started a Domino effect. Kids are taught from a early age there are no Godly morals, and no respect for life, or each other, or even themselves. 

They arnt taught that life is hard, or to stick up for themselves, or even what true love is. They grow up feeling entitled to whatever they want, and are indoctrinated into that way of thinking. 

Nothing really is done about bullying, in fact it's encouraged. 

They have kids who are so confused that they think they're different genders, they go to school. And then they're bullied, often by people who bully regardless, but then conservative students who realize how ridiculous the transgenderism is, join in on the bullying. 

Then when the school cracks down on the bullying by in essence bullying the bullies back, they just double down on the weaker students. 

And that system isn't just limited to the transgender... people bully. And kids arnt taught to stand up for themselves but rather look to the governing body, (the school) which only makes things worse.

So naturally people crack sooner or later. Some turn to drugs. Many commit suicide. A few find a gun and shoot up the place. The common denominator is they're not mentally stable, because they're being indoctrinated in a broken system without Godly morals.

[Marathoner]

On 10/26/2023 at 1:27 PM, FJK said:

We had the same accessibility to the same weapons 50 years ago with that access being far easier, so why didn't we have the same problems then as now?  The problem is not the weapons and will not go away with more restrictions and regulations put on them since the cause of problem itself is not being addressed by any laws anywhere, mostly not even talked about.

But, I doubt a solution is what is really being -or wanted- intended by those in authority.

Actually, that wasn't the case. AR-15s didn't become widely accessible until 2010, so it's been a little over 10 years. Before that time, they weren't accessible to most from 1994-2004 because of the Federal Assault Weapons ban. 

It's like the models of M-16 I was issued in the Army (the A1 and the A2). Colt's patent expired in 1977, so they lost exclusive manufacturing rights to the "civilian" version of the military assault rifle. 

[OneLight]

Came home around 10:30 EST to discover the Maine shooter, Robert Card, is dead.  News say it was an apparent suicide.