Only Those Who Pass Through GT are Resurrected or Gathered.

[DeighAnn]

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

You don't see this as the same body just changed from one state to another? 

Why is this so important?

Why does it matter?

Short version.


NO.  Because that isn't what is written  it is clear NOT THE BODY THAT SHALL BE. I know I answered this but for those who skip the long posts...just thought I would show it again
 

37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
 

There is no getting around that.  HOW I ABHOR the pre trib doctrine.  IT'S TENTACLES reach into AND CHANGE EVERYTHING....


and IF THE DEAD/unsaved don't rise, then the Lord has NO ONE to rule and reign over FOR 1000 YEARS

UNLESS WE ALL go down into hell...to sit upon thrones...

AND CERTAINLY NO NEED FOR THE SAVED to be ruled over, what would be the point...


and if you are going to say PEOPLE survive the MOTB and they have kids and people live and die (I get confused as to who believes what, sorry)

THEN WHERE WOULD they go when they die?   Who would bind them?  Keep them captive.  Would Christ be taking care of all that too?  Satan is bound and sealed, and with him being Apollyon and Abaddon????  


Who could live 1000 years in a flesh and blood body?  What if someone was already 100, would they live to 1100???

EVERYONE has to have a FIRST DEATH if they are facing a second one, right?  


54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

 Which brings us to THE WHOLE WORLD DECEIVED time shortened or no flesh saved....

When Christ returns those who are alive and remain ARE CAUGHT UP to Him so they have to BE one who endured to the end because they are receiving their immortality...

and when those who are ALIVE AND REMAIN are changed...then there are no more alive and remaining...unless that is to simple and needs a twist to make it say something else....


 

[DeighAnn]

9 hours ago, Diaste said:

Whom does he see? You didn't say.

14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

[DeighAnn]

9 hours ago, Diaste said:

We know no such thing. Rev 7 clearly says there is a great multitude that came out from within GT and they are innumerable to mankind.

So IF IT WERE the END TIME GREAT TRIB

then THE PEOPLE ON THE EARTH RIGHT NOW would have to be WITHOUT NUMBER

NOT ONLY as those HAVING SURVIVED THE GREAT TRIB but


YOU WOULD ALSO NEED TO ADD TO THAT NUM 

 THE WHOLE WORLD THAT WORSHIPED THE BEAST.  


How do you get to THOSE KINDS OF NUMBERS???  We know how many people are on the earth. 

ARE YOU SAYING  The whole world IS NOT DECEIVED AT ALL?  

 

[DeighAnn]

23 hours ago, WilliamL said:

This verse is commonly misunderstood, because people project into it more than it actually says.

What it does NOT say:

-- That the state of marriage in heaven will not exist. (Heaven itself is a state of marriage.)

-- That people in heaven will be sexless.

24Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.

25Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:

26Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.

27And last of all the woman died also.

28Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

29Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

31But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

32I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.


THE QUESTION is ABOUT husbands and wives and children...BUT you say the answer is NOT?  

And I am the one who misunderstands....of course.


When ALL HAVE either 

Returned with Christ
risen from the dead
or been changed

who will be having babies?  

[DeighAnn]

9 hours ago, Diaste said:

No, we cannot. The population of earth is estimated at best and wildly off in reality. 

EVEN if it is off

Either the WHOLE WORLD is deceived and worship the beast

OR an innumerable number don't worship the beast.

Which is it?

[WilliamL]

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Ever read about a 'girl' angel?

Ishtar, for one.

[Montana Marv]

23 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

who will be having babies? 

where, what location?

In Christ

Montana Marv

[DeighAnn]

7 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Ishtar, for one.

 If there is an Ishtar in my Bible I missed it.  Please give me chapter and verse

[DeighAnn]

4 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

where, what location?

In Christ

Montana Marv

AN LOCATION on the planet earth after the 2nd Advent

[Montana Marv]

3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

AN LOCATION on the planet earth after the 2nd Advent

Some of those 1/3rd who were purified as by fire in Zech 13: 8,9  Some of those who see their Messiah coming and then know the one they had pierced Zech 12:10

Some those those who come out alive from the 70th Week from all nations, tribes, languages and peoples.  Those who will be ruled over.  Those who must come year after year to Jerusalem to worship the Lord God Almighty and celebrated the Feast of Tabernacles. Then the earths population will be like the sand on the seashore at the end of the Mill.

In Christ

Montana Marv