Salvation is in your hands, Jesus did his part.

[Bro.Tan]

23 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Why do you continue to push back on the truth?  You've seen the verses that refute what you claim.

"One Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” (Ephesians 4:5,6). 

 The road to eternal salvation starts with knowledge of the Holy Scriptures. God doesn't want us to memorize two or three verses, but instead he left the entire bible so we can learn how to get salvation. If we learn it, believe it and obey it (the bible), salvation will be our reward. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. (Matthew 16:27)

Before you can start any task you must first know about it and without the key of knowledge we are lost. "...thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make the wise unto salvation..." (II Timothy 4:15). 

The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).

[Michael37]

28 minutes ago, Bro.Tan said:

"FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).

Works without faith are dead also.

Mat 7:21-23  Not everyone who says to Me, Lord! Lord! shall enter the kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in Heaven.  (22)  Many will say to Me in that day, Lord! Lord! Did we not prophesy in Your name, and through Your name throw out demons, and through Your name do many wonderful works?  (23)  And then I will say to them I never knew you! Depart from Me, those working lawlessness!

Heb 6:1  Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith in God,

Quote: Grace will bring a man to heaven without working miracles, but working miracles will never bring a man to heaven without grace. [Matthew Henry]

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, Bro.Tan said:

"One Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” (Ephesians 4:5,6). 

 The road to eternal salvation starts with knowledge of the Holy Scriptures. God doesn't want us to memorize two or three verses, but instead he left the entire bible so we can learn how to get salvation.

Salvation is the "beginning of wisdom".  All the rest of Scripture is how to live it out.  Those who insert works of ANY kind into the doctrine of salvation do great DAMAGE to the grace that we are saved by.  Eph 2:8

1 hour ago, Bro.Tan said:

If we learn it, believe it and obey it (the bible), salvation will be our reward.

It is a grave ERROR to believe that salvation is a reward.  By the very definition, a reward is something EARNED by effort.  Salvation is by GRACE, which is the opposite of works or effort.

Until you understand that, you do not know the gospel.

1 hour ago, Bro.Tan said:

 

 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

Works without faith are dead also.

This is true.

Because we have the faith of Jesus that was given to us... should result in good works because the Lord ordained us to do good works and the Holy Spirit is leading us to do good works.

It's not about earning one's salvation, it's about being obedient to the Lord.

1 Corinthians 6:20
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

 

 

[Michael37]

20 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

This is true.

Because we have the faith of Jesus that was given to us... should result in good works because the Lord ordained us to do good works and the Holy Spirit is leading us to do good works.

It's not about earning one's salvation, it's about being obedient to the Lord.

1 Corinthians 6:20
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Yes, the incarnation of God in human form was necessary to achieve what no-one else could.

[enoob57]

On 8/16/2023 at 10:44 AM, Bro.Tan said:

So when you sin, you transgress the law, what law? The Commandments brother and Sisters.

I prefer to the teaching of Christ what the Law was:

Matthew 22:36 (KJV)

[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

[38] This is the first and great commandment.

[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

It not about written chick list anymore it's about Loving 

as this is requiring to Love as God Loves ... so that anyone claiming perfection of not sinning are saying they love as Jesus loved! I would like that to be my claim but daily The Holy Spirit shows my lack in this and thus I press toward that mark but I do not consider myself as arrived...

[Bro.Tan]

3 hours ago, enoob57 said:

I prefer to the teaching of Christ what the Law was:

I prefer the teaching of Christ what the law is. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19). 

This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12). 

 

3 hours ago, enoob57 said:

Matthew 22:36 (KJV)

[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

[38] This is the first and great commandment.

[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

It not about written chick list anymore it's about Loving 

as this is requiring to Love as God Loves ... so that anyone claiming perfection of not sinning are saying they love as Jesus loved! I would like that to be my claim but daily The Holy Spirit shows my lack in this and thus I press toward that mark but I do not consider myself as arrived...

We still must obey all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the ten commandments to the least commandment. We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others. For instance, if it's still good to pay tithes (as many preach), then it is still good to obey God's dietary law (not eating pork, catfish, etc...Leviticus 11:1-47). Similarly, you cannot purposely trip a blind person (Leviticus 19:14) and claim to love your neighbor as yourself. Neither can you break God's Sabbath days (Leviticus 19:30) and claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind.

Many fight to uphold man's traditional holidays (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath, Christmas, Easter and Halloween), but few are obeying God's Holy Days (Saturday the 7th day Sabbath, the Passover, Pentecost, etc...Leviticus 23:1-44). All of God's laws are still good and must be obeyed if we want eternal life. We might not be able to observe everything perfectly, but can fight a good fight. If we do this our prize awaits us at the end. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).

[Bro.Tan]

14 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Salvation is the "beginning of wisdom".  All the rest of Scripture is how to live it out.  Those who insert works of ANY kind into the doctrine of salvation do great DAMAGE to the grace that we are saved by.  Eph 2:8

It is a grave ERROR to believe that salvation is a reward.  By the very definition, a reward is something EARNED by effort.  Salvation is by GRACE, which is the opposite of works or effort.

Until you understand that, you do not know the gospel.

 

Do not let anyone convince you that it's wrong to keep God's commandments. Don't let anyone deprive you of the opportunity to receive eternal life. We were deprived of this opportunity once, but the death of Jesus has given us another chance. All have sinned (broken the law...Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4)  and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). When Jesus (the true Lamb of God) was sacrificed, he removed our past sins. If we accept Jesus as our sin offering, we are required to repent and get baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS ("there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved..."(Acts 4: 12). This is our last chance Brothers and Sister.

To repent means to turn from our sinful ways and start obeying God's law. The water baptism signifies the washing away of our past sins. After repenting and being baptized in the name of Jesus it would be foolish for us to turn around and willingly break God's commandments. If we make an honest mistake Jesus can help us, but if we sin willingly, look out! "...there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation..." (Hebrews 10:26-27). When Jesus died only the sacrificial law was done away with, alone with Leviticus priesthood.   

[Bro.Tan]

13 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

This is true.

Because we have the faith of Jesus that was given to us... should result in good works because the Lord ordained us to do good works and the Holy Spirit is leading us to do good works.

It's not about earning one's salvation, it's about being obedient to the Lord.

1 Corinthians 6:20
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

 

 

Nevertheless, in judgment each one of us will give account for our own salvation. Therefore, we must not let anyone lead us down the wrong path, but should verify all of our teaching with the holy bible. YOUR SALVATION IS AT STAKE! "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12). 

The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, Bro.Tan said:

I prefer the teaching of Christ what the law is. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19). 

This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12). 

 

We still must obey all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the ten commandments to the least commandment. We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others. For instance, if it's still good to pay tithes (as many preach), then it is still good to obey God's dietary law (not eating pork, catfish, etc...Leviticus 11:1-47). Similarly, you cannot purposely trip a blind person (Leviticus 19:14) and claim to love your neighbor as yourself. Neither can you break God's Sabbath days (Leviticus 19:30) and claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind.

Many fight to uphold man's traditional holidays (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath, Christmas, Easter and Halloween), but few are obeying God's Holy Days (Saturday the 7th day Sabbath, the Passover, Pentecost, etc...Leviticus 23:1-44). All of God's laws are still good and must be obeyed if we want eternal life. We might not be able to observe everything perfectly, but can fight a good fight. If we do this our prize awaits us at the end. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).

The problem is, no one can live the Christian life, that is, no one but Christ!  So the only way we can live the Christian life is to abide in Him, and let His life in us, live through us.  He, in and through us, while then fulfill the law.