Any thoughts on this?

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

9 hours ago, Sower said:

You can't earn it no matter how good you are, even if you are the best.  It is free, a gift, not earned nor kept/maintained through my works.

So, if one does evil and lives in sin this does not disqualify them?

God's Word is clear that if we sow to the flesh we shall reap corruption.

If we have no part to play and once saved always saved is really true then this means we can sin all we want and still to to Heaven right?

[Sower]

2 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

So, if one does evil and lives in sin this does not disqualify them?

God's Word is clear that if we sow to the flesh we shall reap corruption.

If we have no part to play and once saved always saved is really true then this means we can sin all we want and still to to Heaven right?

                "If we have no part to play and once saved"

Never said nor implied I/we had NO part. What is your point? What are you after?
Reverse psychology? I explained that upon realizing that Jesus did it ALL, my have to changed to my want to, and if you , Stan, can understand the love of our creator for us, his righteousness/perfection/holiness, and then our filthy rags attempt at struggling to do the things we should, then doing what we shouldn't, who would save us. Jesus already has.

As so many have already posted, if you are actually looking for some confirmation to find a "license" allowing you to do evil, I suspect your claim to be regenerated, with the incorruptible seed within you, is very lacking. Hope I'm wrong.

"God's Word is clear that if we sow to the flesh we shall reap corruption"....

So do you "sow" to your flesh, getting wasted, or do you struggle every day, maybe every moment, to sow to obedience, because you WANT TO please the Father.

There's the rub. The difference.
Where is your desire, if you have truly become a child of the most high.
Taking every thought captive to the obedience to God, resisting the devil's thoughts in your mind, avoiding temptation immediately, abiding in Christ?
Are you even in the war, as a soldier for Christ. The battle for the mind.

Or do you keep looking for this loophole to get bombed? One or the other.

 

 

 

[Vine Abider]

3 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

So, if one does evil and lives in sin this does not disqualify them?

God's Word is clear that if we sow to the flesh we shall reap corruption.

If we have no part to play and once saved always saved is really true then this means we can sin all we want and still to to Heaven right?

 

6 minutes ago, Sower said:

                "If we have no part to play and once saved"

Never said nor implied I/we had NO part. What is your point? What are you after?
Reverse psychology? I explained that upon realizing that Jesus did it ALL, my have to changed to my want to, and if you , Stan, can understand the love of our creator for us, his righteousness/perfection/holiness, and then our filthy rags attempt at struggling to do the things we should, then doing what we shouldn't, who would save us. Jesus already has.

As so many have already posted, if you are actually looking for some confirmation to find a "license" allowing you to do evil, I suspect your claim to be regenerated, with the incorruptible seed within you, is very lacking. Hope I'm wrong.

"God's Word is clear that if we sow to the flesh we shall reap corruption"....

So do you "sow" to your flesh, getting wasted, or do you struggle every day, maybe every moment, to sow to obedience, because you WANT TO please the Father.

There's the rub. The difference.
Where is your desire, if you have truly become a child of the most high.
Taking every thought captive to the obedience to God, resisting the devil's thoughts in your mind, avoiding temptation immediately, abiding in Christ?
Are you even in the war, as a soldier for Christ. The battle for the mind.

Or do you keep looking for this loophole to get bombed? One or the other.

 

 

 

Yes, and it appears Stan is perhaps looking regarding two things: license to sin; and contend with others regarding OSAS- or are they both really about just poking folks regarding OSAS?  I dunno . . . 

Stan - what is your purpose here?

[JimmyB]

On 8/14/2023 at 11:55 AM, Stan Murff said:

Let me rephrase - maybe you don't know how to convince others your viewpoint of the bible is the right viewpoint and because of this you need to step away

This would strongly suggest deep down you have doubts about eternal security being true biblical teaching.

I understand though because whatever group of friends you have all believe this so you could never change now because your friends would forsake you.

I went to a church for a while that had women pastors and that's how they were.  When you showed them in the bible that women are not called by the Lord to be pastors, they would say even if that were the case they don't want to depart from their comfortable social club

Somehow I don't believe you.  Was that really their reply?

[JimmyB]

4 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

So, if one does evil and lives in sin this does not disqualify them?

God's Word is clear that if we sow to the flesh we shall reap corruption.

If we have no part to play and once saved always saved is really true then this means we can sin all we want and still to to Heaven right?

What Christian wants to sin?

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

1 hour ago, Sower said:

 

 Jesus did it ALL

OK, so if Jesus did it all then we have no part to play and zero responsibility before the Lord

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

28 minutes ago, JimmyB said:

What Christian wants to sin?

Apparently the ones that believe it's no possible to lose salvation.

That way, they can live just like they did before getting saved because it's all by faith alone meaning if one lived in sin they absolutely cannot lose salvation.

It's a contradiction to say one cannot lose salvation no matter what - and then say if one lives in sin it's some big problem.

If once saved always saved is really true, then it's not possible for one to be disqualified by their lifestyle.  That's what most claim that believe OSAS

[phoneman-777]

2 hours ago, JimmyB said:

What Christian wants to sin?

A preacher I knew told his church wild, gritty movies are not fit fare for the Christian. A young person responded, "Aww pastor, it's just life".

He replied, "A dead animal on the side of a road "is just life" but you don't pay 10 bucks for a chair to sit and watch it, do you?

Pastor Charles was a wise old soul and I miss him.

[Sower]

3 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

OK, so if Jesus did it all then we have no part to play and zero responsibility before the Lord

                "then we have no part to play" .....

                              ***God's Part***
 

          "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this:

            While we were still sinners, Christ died for us"

 

 

 

No works to be saved
KJV.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves;
it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.    Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV

Amplified, same verses Eph, 8-9
For it is by grace [God’s remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God;

not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation].

                          **** OUR PART****

Works because we are saved.
Ephesians 2:10 KJV
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. KJV

Amp    
For we are His workmanship [His own master work, a work of art], created in Christ Jesus [reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, ready to be used] "for good works", which God prepared [for us] beforehand [taking paths which He set], so that we would walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us].   ( cool, huh... )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DeighAnn]

My super simple explanation as concerning SALVATION

Those under the law, and because the law had NO LAW TO GIVE LIFE, 

IF when they died, they DESCENDED 

because the PENALTY for sin had to be paid,

and in hell is where that penalty was paid.  

IF men in the flesh were stronger, they could have followed the law without the desires of the flesh getting in the way and leading them astray, following the LAWS of God would have led them to FAITH...faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the words of GOD.   BUT like Paul said, having them written and being told you could and couldn't made the FLESH want it even more.  

So, at the first death, not only were all the people of the world going to hell, ALL of GODS people were going to hell too!!!   GOD DIDN'T LIKE THAT.  He didn't like His people being held in bondage to death because of what sometimes COULD have been a simple sin, they mixed linen and wool on the day they died.  DIDN'T MATTER that for the 80 years before they basically did everything PERFECT, on THE DAY they died, they weren't.  BREAK ONE and YOU HAVE BROKEN THE LAW.  

SO GOD, had to bring about ANOTHER WAY a better way to handle the situation.  That meant the old had to go for the New to begin.  

SO The Son of God Son of Man, was 'born of woman' a BODY prepared aka a LAMB/SACRIFICE PERFECT, so that just the one time would be all it took, and with that SACRIFICE the New Covenant UNDER THE GRACE of God came in.  

Now Gods People CHOSE to be one of His because RIGHTEOUSNESS calls to them, and so hearing the words of GOD calls to them, it 'makes alive' their inner spirit. and that is a must to be one of Gods People.  Righteousness doesn't call to everyone.  You are either a WOLF or a sheep.  You are of this world or the Spiritual world.  THAT is HOW GOD SET IT UP.  That is what is predestined.  THE WAY it all goes down, not what happens to ALL individuals. (remember this is just concerning salvation and none of the things I am skipping over so no need to point them all out)

So the WORK on the Cross that Jesus did, made it so that when we first 'come to knowledge' that we can be BORN FROM ABOVE and become complete, like Christ  flesh and blood AND SPIRIT walking the earth perfect/holy/set apart.  


THAT IS WHAT THE GIFT OF SALVATION IS.  DIE WITH A SIN, DON'T GO TO HELL, THE PENALTY WAS PAID ALREADY

THAT IS WHY WE CAN'T WORK FOR IT.  

CAN'T WORK TO KEEP IT.  It was done and there is no doing it again.  

We can try to 'go to heaven' at our death by being found PERFECT but without a temple priest and SACRIFICE, not much chance of getting that right.  Also, might have to live in Israel as long as they are runing the country under the laws ...I don't know I am a sheep who heard His voice.  

Under grace, the Spirit convicts when the desires of our flesh gets away from us, but IMMEDIATELY upon coming to repentance

we have all that we need WITH US, as in the New Covenant relationship
as in we have the LAMB OF GOD, the perfect blood shed THAT does what the blood of animals couldn't, in that we know our sin is forgiven,
we are a part of the temple
and Christ is our High Priest.  

Also He showed us how it looks and what it takes to be a son of God.  It isn't by LAWS, it is BY LOVE, the Love of God the Love of the Brethren.  It isn't being perfect, it is TRYING/seeking/laboring to be, BECAUSE WE LOVE GOD AND GODS WAYS.  

Think about how often GOD can hear our prayers compared to those who had to do it all physically.  I don't know about anyone else, but I would NOT have had enough animals a couple times when really starting this walk.  


I know I should proof read but I leave it to whomever to figure out what I am putting forth or to ask as I don't want this to get any longer.  

Just my 2 cents...