The end time has different physics?

[Shilohsfoal]

14 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Yes they will be helping. Again I suspect you want to do your one trick pony here again and interpret that as meaning that the saints who return with Jesus won't be also involved. As I said I can't help you here with that narrow minded, myopic, rest of the bible ignoring pet doctrine.

No scripture does not say they are helping.

Scripture actually says they are reigning with Christ.Personally to I believe they deserve it.Dont you?

 

⁴ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

⁵ But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

[dad2]

54 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

No scripture does not say they are helping.

Scripture actually says they are reigning with Christ.Personally to I believe they deserve it.Dont you?

 

Ignoring what was posted is not honest. Dan 7 told of the kingdoms of the world and said the saints will rule. The chapter also focused on the tribulation saints and how they will rule.

 

In Rev 20 we see this.

20 Then^[a] I saw an angel descending from heaven, holding^[b] in his hand the key to the abyss and a huge chain. ² He^[c] seized the dragon—the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan—and tied him up for a thousand years. ³ The angel^[d] then^[e] threw him into the abyss and locked^[f] and sealed it so that he could not deceive the nations until the one thousand years were finished. (After these things he must be released for a brief period of time.)

⁴ Then^[g] I saw thrones and seated on them were those who had been given authority to judge.^[h] I also saw ....

 

Two things are seen here. Those ruling who had authority, and also how the trib saints will have such authority.

One site puts it like this

"The "first resurrection" includes those who are raised at the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:16), along with these end-times believers, into eternal life. Those who are part of the "second resurrection," described later, face only judgment (Revelation 20:5; 20:11–15).

https://www.bibleref.com/Revelation/20/Revelation-20-4.html

 

If this is correct, then read the verse and apply it

 

Revelation 20:6

 

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

If we are raptured before the tribulation begins, where does that leave us believers?

 

 

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

5 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Ignoring what was posted is not honest. Dan 7 told of the kingdoms of the world and said the saints will rule. The chapter also focused on the tribulation saints and how they will rule.

 

In Rev 20 we see this.

20 Then^[a] I saw an angel descending from heaven, holding^[b] in his hand the key to the abyss and a huge chain. ² He^[c] seized the dragon—the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan—and tied him up for a thousand years. ³ The angel^[d] then^[e] threw him into the abyss and locked^[f] and sealed it so that he could not deceive the nations until the one thousand years were finished. (After these things he must be released for a brief period of time.)

⁴ Then^[g] I saw thrones and seated on them were those who had been given authority to judge.^[h] I also saw ....

 

Two things are seen here. Those ruling who had authority, and also how the trib saints will have such authority.

One site puts it like this

"The "first resurrection" includes those who are raised at the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:16), along with these end-times believers, into eternal life. Those who are part of the "second resurrection," described later, face only judgment (Revelation 20:5; 20:11–15).

https://www.bibleref.com/Revelation/20/Revelation-20-4.html

 

If this is correct, then read the verse and apply it

 

Revelation 20:6

 

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

If we are raptured before the tribulation begins, where does that leave us believers?

 

 

 

 

I've never read of a rapture in the Bible.

That must be one of those things from your site that's not in the bible.

[dad2]

49 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I've never read of a rapture in the Bible.

That must be one of those things from your site that's not in the bible.

No surprise there. Perhaps you also never read the topic here either?

[Shilohsfoal]

9 minutes ago, dad2 said:

No surprise there. Perhaps you also never read the topic here either?

Different people talk about different things.Ive seen where people say they believe in that thing but often times they don't agree about the time.Othrrs don't agree with it at all.

Personally I believe what Jesus says to be true.

Mathew 24

²⁹ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

³⁰ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

³¹ And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

[dad2]

43 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Different people talk about different things.Ive seen where people say they believe in that thing but often times they don't agree about the time.Othrrs don't agree with it at all.

OK, thanks for clearing that up (whatever you are talking about)

43 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Personally I believe what Jesus says to be true.

Great, so what do you think what you posted means? Something about the great tribulation?

 

In this thread we are looking at what nature itself on earth will be like in that time, not whether that time will exist or not, in case you missed that.

A few posts ago you claim the bible says nothing about what most call the rapture. Earlier, you denied that islands and mountains will actually move. Anything else to add here?

 

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

27 minutes ago, dad2 said:

OK, thanks for clearing that up (whatever you are talking about)

Great, so what do you think what you posted means? Something about the great tribulation?

 

In this thread we are looking at what nature itself on earth will be like in that time, not whether that time will exist or not, in case you missed that.

A few posts ago you claim the bible says nothing about what most call the rapture. Earlier, you denied that islands and mountains will actually move. Anything else to add here?

 

 

 

Your the one who brought up a rapture.

I suppose you are trying to say that is on topic like grass growing.

[dad2]

3 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Your the one who brought up a rapture.

I suppose you are trying to say that is on topic like grass growing.

I was trying to swat all your off topic pet doctrines like whack a mole, and the topic came up. Nothing to discuss though, since you do not even believe there so much as is one. Get on topic or don't bother posting.

Edited August 6, 2023 by dad2

[Diaste]

On 7/30/2023 at 11:27 AM, dad2 said:

How would God be limited in changing the nature on earth? No one said He does it by man's science.

A foundational premise concerning God's nature and existence is God is outside nature. God is above, beyond, outside; time, space and matter. Physical laws exist as constraints over mankind, God would have created the physical laws when He brought creation into being. 

I did not say God was limited in any way. He can't even 'violate' physical laws since He is the one who established those laws; and He can make new ones or dispense with any of them as He requires. 

On 7/30/2023 at 11:27 AM, dad2 said:

But bound to His word which tells us the islands and mountains will move.

Indeed. But they will move as a result of bringing it to pass in true power, not obeyance to laws, of the which God is not beholden.

On 7/30/2023 at 11:27 AM, dad2 said:

Yes, but earth itself went on under the laws of physics in general. That means miracles are the exception. In a change of nature it is the rule.

Fact. Any system requires parameters under which to operate. God created that system and is therefore not bound by the parameters of the system.

On 7/30/2023 at 11:27 AM, dad2 said:

Great, so then they never got that hot because probably nature in that day is different. If we shoved continents around fast today heat would be involved.

Maybe. From quite a little reading about the migrations after the Flood, I think the earth experienced continental drift after Babel. It's just a hypothesis, but it has some merit.

I am convinced we are going to see gods walking the earth and magic of stunning proportions in the great deception which precedes the Coming of the King. 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

7 hours ago, dad2 said:

I was trying to swat all your off topic pet doctrines like whack a mole, and the topic came up. Nothing to discuss though, since you do not even believe there so much as is one. Get on topic or don't bother posting.

The topic of rapture didn't just come up,you brought it up.

As for the topic,grass grows faster when it fertilized .You should try it some time.