Could God have forgiven and saved Judas?

[other one]

Could God have forgiven and saved Judas?

 

Of course he could....    will he???    I haven't a clue, but I don't think I would wager much on his chances.

Jesus said that everyone who comes to the Father does so through him.   I think that's pretty much saying that he and he alone makes the decision of salvation and having access to the Father.   So who are we to make that decision for him.  I don't think one should do that for anyone or any reason.

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Just two examples of many of men who lost their salvation and were blotted out of God's book.

 

Judas had his name blotted out of the book of life, because instead of repenting of his sin like Peter and the other apostles did, he brooded over his sin and committed suicide.

 

Its pretty simple to understand, Jesus would not pick sinners, pagans, murderers, to go and preach the gospel. Judas by transgression fell, His bishopric was GIVEN TO ANOTHER!

 

Judas had the Holy Spirit and power like the other apostles and was a successful preacher and healer like them (Matt.10:1-20; mark 6:7-13)

He had his name written in Heaven, as proved by Acts 1:20 with Ps. 69:25-29. he fell from his apostleship by Transgression (Acts 1:25)

 

Judas was to have his habitation desolate and be blotted out of the book of the living (Ps. 69:25-28 with Acts 1:20), and he was to have another take his place in the Christian ministry and in the kingship over one of the tribes of Israel (Ps. 109:8)

 

These passages were fulfilled in Judas according to Matt. 26:24; John 13:18; Acts 1:16-25.

 

In Matt. 10 we have the facts recorded that Judas as one of the "twelve disciples" received power over demons, sickness and disease and a call to preach the Gospel. Of the twelve (Including Judas) it is said that Christ gave them power and sent them forth, and commanded them to preach, and to heal the sick. Christ said to Judas and all the twelve, freely ye have received, freely give . . . . I send you forth as sheep . . . . it shall not be ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you (Matt. 10:1-20).

 

 

 

Another was King Saul. Saul, who was in God's favour and who had the Holy Spirit, lost that favour and was destroyed because of sin (1 Chron. 10:13-14).

 

He committed suicide and must be lost, for no murderer has eternal live (1 Sam. 28:7-25; 31:1-6; 1 John 3:15; Gal.

 

5:19-21).

 

To argue that Saul was never a saved man is to demonstrate a lack of Bible truth. "God gave Saul another heart . . . and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied (1 Sam. 10:9-13). If this was not an experience of the saved man then it was nothing at all.

 

It is also recorded how the Spirit of God LEFT HIM WHEN HE SINNED (1 Sam. 16:12-23). Saul went into spiritualism and God said He would cut off the man who did this (Lev. 19:31; 20:6; Deut. 18:11). He was a very humble and Godley man to begin with, but he did not end in this way (1 Sam. 10:21-24).

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What, no takers?

[Marvin74]

I believe that, in the end, ALL people will be with God in his kingdom.  Here is one excerpt to support that belief.  

 

1 Corinthians 15:22-28

 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For “God[c] has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

[FJK]

6 hours ago, Marvin74 said:

I believe that, in the end, ALL people will be with God in his kingdom.

So the Rich Man will be alongside Lazarus in heaven?

How would this work, how do you see it coming about?

[Marvin74]

On 7/10/2023 at 6:27 AM, FJK said:

So the Rich Man will be alongside Lazarus in heaven?

How would this work, how do you see it coming about?

Wicked people will face the consequences of their choices in the "Lake of Fire" but it's not a "forever" fate.  There is no such thing as "eternal" punishment.

[FJK]

26 minutes ago, Marvin74 said:

There is no such thing as "eternal" punishment.

What scripture is behind this thinking?

[Marvin74]

6 minutes ago, FJK said:

What scripture is behind this thinking?

1 John 4:14

14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 

 

1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

 

Lamentations 3:31 For the Lord will not cast off forever[PM1] 

 

Romans 5:18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.

 

1 Corinthians 15:22  For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

 

Romans 11:32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

 

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL people to myself.”

 

Revelation 21:5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

 

2 Corinthians 5:19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

 

John 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

 

2 Corinthians 5:14-15 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; 15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.

 

Colossians 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

 

John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

 

Luke 3:6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God

 

Philippians 2:10-11 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

 

2 Samuel 14:14 We must all die; we are like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. But God will not take away life, and he devises means so that the banished one will not remain an outcast.

 

Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Him, things in heaven and things on earth.

 

John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

 

1 Corinthians 15:22-28

 ²² For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. ²³ But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. ²⁴ Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. ²⁵ For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. ²⁶ The last enemy to be destroyed is death. ²⁷ For “God^[c] has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. ²⁸ When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

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[FJK]

@Marvin74, So it makes no difference whether one is Christian or not?  All paths lead to God (a belief currently being professed by many)?

We'll end up in the same place, Mother Teresa and Jeffrey Dahmer share in the same fate in eternity?

Why would we be told of such a thing and also given the laws of God that we must obey, as Einstein would say "Why would God do it this way?".

Is the purpose of Christ, effectively, just a means and way to avoid a short jail sentence on the way to eternity with God?

 

[Marvin74]

1 hour ago, FJK said:

@Marvin74, So it makes no difference whether one is Christian or not?  All paths lead to God (a belief currently being professed by many)?

We'll end up in the same place, Mother Teresa and Jeffrey Dahmer share in the same fate in eternity?

Why would we be told of such a thing and also given the laws of God that we must obey, as Einstein would say "Why would God do it this way?".

Is the purpose of Christ, effectively, just a means and way to avoid a short jail sentence on the way to eternity with God?

 

Believing in and following Jesus is the only way to enter God's Kingdom.  It's not a matter of "if" one will be saved, but when.  

Yes, at the end of the ages, Jeffrey Dahmer and Mother Teresa will be in God's Kingdom along with the everyone else. 

Why does God "do it this way"?  I can't pretend to speak for the almighty.  My personal belief is that our life in this world is about learning faith, Godliness, and obedience.  God is a refiner and we are what is being refined in preparation for entry and life in his eternal kingdom. 

Faith in and obedience to Jesus saves people from judgment, condemnation, and an unpleasant visit to the Lake of Fire.  We don't know the specifics of that experience but it's clear that it is to be avoided.  However, in spite of what the poorly translated English Bibles claim, it is not for "eternity", as evidenced by the plethora of scriptures that I just shared with you.  If punishment is eternal then all of those verses are wrong.

Let me ask you a question.  Does faith in Jesus save us from God?