The Battle of Gog of the Land of Magog

[Retrobyter]

On 8/29/2023 at 8:42 AM, Revelation Man said:

I understand this, you guys are in those 1 percenter groups my brother, anyone who thinks these things have all been fulfilled just refuse to accept scriptural prophetic scriptures that have to be taken into account. Its your right to be wrong on prophesy of you so desire. I can't because it is my actually calling, I can't just make guesses like those not called unto Prophecy.

Shalom, Revelation Man.

Then, you of all people should want to be ACCURATE about the prophecies you claim to understand! There are just some prophecies that have already been fulfilled and there are other prophecies that are YET to be fulfilled. And, I would expect that one who is called to understand prophetic Scriptures would want to know the difference!

One MUST STUDY HISTORY as well as the Scriptures to know what has been fulfilled and what is yet to be fulfilled! Brother Huie has chosen the better part!

[Revelation Man]

57 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Then, you of all people should want to be ACCURATE about the prophecies you claim to understand! There are just some prophecies that have already been fulfilled and there are other prophecies that are YET to be fulfilled. And, I would expect that one who is called to understand prophetic Scriptures would want to know the difference!

 

And I do understand that which it seems you don't. There are a few people that think Dan. 21-45 is ALL the End Time Anti-Christ and a few who think those same verses are both Antiochus, and both are in error, my post on Daniel 11 & 12 refutes those idea easily. Its not even debatable my friend. I can just post a few passages that show why verses 36-45 can not be Antiochus.

We are given a DETAILED ACCOUNT of the full Syrian Wars which end with Anti-Christs actions. That is why this verse reads as such

29 At the time appointed he shall return(Written by Daniel this was looking forward in time to Antiochus RETURNING to Egypt a 2nd time but being rebuffed by three Roman Senators denying him the chance to rule them as he had BEFORE), and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.

But......as Daniel was shown by Angels, Antiochus will not be able to Conquer Egypt as he FORMERLY DID in verses 23-27 before he returned to his homeland in vs. 28, OR as the LATTER PART of this detailed Prophesy shows the End Time Anti-Christ WILL DO in verses 36-45. So, did King Herod conquer Egypt? No, that is why the point is a dead point, that is why thee is no debate.

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength(Jason and his Hellenized Jews joined with Antiochus to defile the Temple of God) , and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. {{{The in practice did the exact same thing the COMING Anti-Christ will do, the DEFILE the Temples, here however, its a known historical fact, read Maccabeans, Antiochus sacrificed a pig unto Zeus in God's temple}}}

32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries(Pro Hellenites): but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.(The Maccabeans)

33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. (Maccabean Revolt)

34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries(Hellinized Jews).

35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.(Verse 35 is a transition verse which takes us unto the END TIMES, this is how prophecy works, else the bible would have been to big to read, Daniel was not told all the details o the coming Church age etc. he was just told that some will fall, and be purged [by Jesus' blood] and this [blood] makes them WHITE, and this happens all the way to the end of time or end of the age, which Daniel was told is a time that is NOT YET APPOINTED, meaning verses 21-34-35 are NOT the YET TO BE APPOINTED time of the Anti-Christ, that happens much later at the VERY END of the Age.

Now lets see, was King Herod the END OF THE AGE? No, Jesus has yet to return to defeat the Anti-Christ. Did King Herod conquer Turkey, as Dan. 8:9 shows, or the Whole Mediterranean Sea Coastline as Dan. 11:40-43 shows us? No, of course he didn't. Were many made white via the Church Age so the end could be upon us a vs. 35 shows when King Herod lived? Of course not.

Now lets look at this End Time Anti-Christ to show why he can not be Antiochus Epiphanes nor King Herod. Firstly King Herod was nothing but a Roman Jewish client king, he had no power like this End Time Anti-Christ will, he was a stooge, he chose to follow Mark Antony instead of Octavian (Augustus) and it almost cost him because of course Octavian won the power struggle. So, how does he fit an ALL POWERFUL Beast? Do you think these things through?

 

36 And the king shall do according to his will;(Not Rome's will) and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods(Herod was may have been evil, but he worshiped the God of the Bible via Judaism) , and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished(Herod died before Jesus's ministry): for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god:(This rules out both Antiochus and King Herod) for he shall magnify himself above all.

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces(he brings wars): and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40 And at the time of the end(not 2000 or 2200 years ago) shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow(conquers MANY NATIONS, King Herod never, ever did this) and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land(Conquers Israel), and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.{{{Lets see did King Herod conquer Israel, Turkey, all of North Africa, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and then lets these small peoples stay free? No, of course he didn't, this lines up with the END TIMES because the Jews flee unto these areas in Moab, Edom and Ammon where God protects them}}}

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps(All of North Africa).

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him:(some think this is a threat of Russia and China, it m ight just be Jesus is seen coming in the Eastern Skies, Amen) therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy(He knows Jesus is on the way, he's desperate), and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas (Between the Dead Sea and the Mediterranean Sea is all that means, in Jerusalem somewhere) in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Herod fulfills none of this, neither does Antiochus fulfill verses 36-45. So, I indeed understand that neither Antiochus Epiphanes nor King Herod were then man seen in verses 36-45, as does most everybody else.

God Bless

 

 

[Montana Marv]

37 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land(Conquers Israel), and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.{{{Lets see did King Herod conquer Israel, Turkey, all of North Africa, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and then lets these small peoples stay free? No, of course he didn't, this lines up with the END TIMES because the Jews flee unto these areas in Moab, Edom and Ammon where God protects them}}}

When you see standing in the Holy Place the A/D spoken of by the prophet Daniel; FLEE (part of the lands of safety and where Petra is)  Ammon, Edom, Moab; which all will be out of reach from the Dragon when he pursues the woman; safety of sorts for 3 1/2 years.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Retrobyter]

12 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

And I do understand that which it seems you don't. There are a few people that think Dan. 21-45 is ALL the End Time Anti-Christ and a few who think those same verses are both Antiochus, and both are in error, my post on Daniel 11 & 12 refutes those idea easily. Its not even debatable my friend. I can just post a few passages that show why verses 36-45 can not be Antiochus.

We are given a DETAILED ACCOUNT of the full Syrian Wars which end with Anti-Christs actions. That is why this verse reads as such

29 At the time appointed he shall return(Written by Daniel this was looking forward in time to Antiochus RETURNING to Egypt a 2nd time but being rebuffed by three Roman Senators denying him the chance to rule them as he had BEFORE), and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.

But......as Daniel was shown by Angels, Antiochus will not be able to Conquer Egypt as he FORMERLY DID in verses 23-27 before he returned to his homeland in vs. 28, OR as the LATTER PART of this detailed Prophesy shows the End Time Anti-Christ WILL DO in verses 36-45. So, did King Herod conquer Egypt? No, that is why the point is a dead point, that is why thee is no debate.

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength(Jason and his Hellenized Jews joined with Antiochus to defile the Temple of God) , and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. {{{The in practice did the exact same thing the COMING Anti-Christ will do, the DEFILE the Temples, here however, its a known historical fact, read Maccabeans, Antiochus sacrificed a pig unto Zeus in God's temple}}}

32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries(Pro Hellenites): but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.(The Maccabeans)

33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. (Maccabean Revolt)

34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries(Hellinized Jews).

35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.(Verse 35 is a transition verse which takes us unto the END TIMES, this is how prophecy works, else the bible would have been to big to read, Daniel was not told all the details o the coming Church age etc. he was just told that some will fall, and be purged [by Jesus' blood] and this [blood] makes them WHITE, and this happens all the way to the end of time or end of the age, which Daniel was told is a time that is NOT YET APPOINTED, meaning verses 21-34-35 are NOT the YET TO BE APPOINTED time of the Anti-Christ, that happens much later at the VERY END of the Age.

Now lets see, was King Herod the END OF THE AGE? No, Jesus has yet to return to defeat the Anti-Christ. Did King Herod conquer Turkey, as Dan. 8:9 shows, or the Whole Mediterranean Sea Coastline as Dan. 11:40-43 shows us? No, of course he didn't. Were many made white via the Church Age so the end could be upon us a vs. 35 shows when King Herod lived? Of course not.

Now lets look at this End Time Anti-Christ to show why he can not be Antiochus Epiphanes nor King Herod. Firstly King Herod was nothing but a Roman Jewish client king, he had no power like this End Time Anti-Christ will, he was a stooge, he chose to follow Mark Antony instead of Octavian (Augustus) and it almost cost him because of course Octavian won the power struggle. So, how does he fit an ALL POWERFUL Beast? Do you think these things through?

 

36 And the king shall do according to his will;(Not Rome's will) and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods(Herod was may have been evil, but he worshiped the God of the Bible via Judaism) , and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished(Herod died before Jesus's ministry): for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god:(This rules out both Antiochus and King Herod) for he shall magnify himself above all.

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces(he brings wars): and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40 And at the time of the end(not 2000 or 2200 years ago) shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow(conquers MANY NATIONS, King Herod never, ever did this) and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land(Conquers Israel), and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.{{{Lets see did King Herod conquer Israel, Turkey, all of North Africa, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and then lets these small peoples stay free? No, of course he didn't, this lines up with the END TIMES because the Jews flee unto these areas in Moab, Edom and Ammon where God protects them}}}

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps(All of North Africa).

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him:(some think this is a threat of Russia and China, it m ight just be Jesus is seen coming in the Eastern Skies, Amen) therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy(He knows Jesus is on the way, he's desperate), and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas (Between the Dead Sea and the Mediterranean Sea is all that means, in Jerusalem somewhere) in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Herod fulfills none of this, neither does Antiochus fulfill verses 36-45. So, I indeed understand that neither Antiochus Epiphanes nor King Herod were then man seen in verses 36-45, as does most everybody else.

God Bless

Shalom, Revelation Man.

One should know better than to say the "the time of the end" is the same as "the end times!" They are NOT talking about the same thing! When one sees the words "the time of the end," one should ask himself "the end of what?" What is the author talking about? One doesn't need a COLOSSAL JUMP into the future to see the answer to this question.

And, the REAL question is this: Why would YHWH God have this account JUMP OVER the arrival of His Messiah, who is the CENTRAL FIGURE IN PROPHECY!?

Daniel 12:1 is talking about the First Coming of the Messiah and the Time of Jacob's Trouble, which we've already read in Daniel 9:27 was INITIATED by the Messiah in response to His rejection.

I'd advise one to go back and re-read what was written about Daniel 11 in my earlier post. Someone didn't get the details! And, this time, READ IT WITH AN OPEN MIND!

[Revelation Man]

7 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

And, the REAL question is this: Why would YHWH God have this account JUMP OVER the arrival of His Messiah, who is the CENTRAL FIGURE IN PROPHECY!?

 

Because this is only about the lineage of the Greek Kings Wars !! 

Here is what God did, its so obvious once one grasps it. God gave us an End Time Beast with three different tentacles from three other Beasts, he even allowed the Greek and Roman Beast to overlap on purpose. 

So, in Dan. 7 we are given all the Beasts and shown how the Fourth Beasts has two Beasts, one that arises as a human being who never passes he kingdom on thus he is a MAN BEAST (666) instead of a kingdom beast. The whole 7 Mountains that Arise and 5 Beasts who fall ONE IS (And Rome fell) and one will FALL AT THE END passage is to show us out of all the Beasts only this last beast both ARISES and FALLS as the Beast and thus his number represents man being the last beast.

In Dan. 8 we are given the Four Generals and the Little Horn Beast arising. But Greece as not a Beast by the time Jesus was born, this is only about the Four Generals Kingdoms and their intermingled warfare, the Syrian Wars. 

So, Greece and Rome overlapped as Beasts, in the end time the same thin happens, God lets ONE MAN represent both (plus a 3rd) Beast Kingdom. So, this man has to have Assyrian blood (Isaiah 10) he has to be born in Greece (Dan. 8:9 MANDATES this) and he will arise to power out of the Head of the Fourth Beast. (E.U. Reunited, its not 10, that means COMPLETION, anyone looking for 10 is going to miss it, the 10 = the E.U. in completion, whatever that number is at any given time)

So, the reason Dan. 11 SKIPS from Antiochus to the end time is no other Greek Born King has been a Beast over Israel since Antiochus. See why now? Instead of looking at the bible in  a linear fashion all the time, look how God gives us things in a way He chooses to, in order to tell us what to look for. Dan. 11 is about ALL Greek King Beasts, they Beasted over Israel until the Maccabeans defeated them and Antiochus died. No other Greek born king, president et al has ever ruled over Israel since, BUT, that will soon happen, reviving the 7 Headed 10 Horned Beast once again. Whoever this Beast is he has to be born in Greece. Some Turk or Iraqi or maybe even Syrian family migrated to Greece at some point be it the last 50 years or 150 years ago, but he will thus be born in Greece with an Old Assyrian blood line. He being born in Greece qualifies him to be the E.U. President.

25 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Daniel 12:1 is talking about the First Coming of the Messiah and the Time of Jacob's Trouble, which we've already read in Daniel 9:27 was INITIATED by the Messiah in response to His rejection

Dan. 12:1 comes right after Dan. 11:45 which says he (Anti-Christ) will come to his END.........It flowssssssss into the next chapter, there were no chapter and verses we must remember !! So, Daniel is then told how AT THAT TIME (when he dies in vs. 45) that the dead will be raised and judged. It FLOWS the Anti-Christ is killed WHEN? at the end when Michael stands up just like Rev. 12 tells us

Anti-Christ DIES............now lets FLOW ON INTO Dan. 12, but first we get how Michael will protect Israel, then the Judgments

Dan. 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up(protects Israel for 1260 days), the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation(Again 1260 days of troubles) even to that same time:( GET IT? To what time? Well they last until vs. 45 sees this man KILLED....unto THAT TIME) and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (When the Beast is killed, Israel will be DELIVERED, Amen)

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. (See how Prophecy JUMPS, the dead who awake to Everlasting life we know awake 1000 years before the ones who are raised to shame, that is the 2nd Resurrection.)

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. (Disciples/Church Age Saints et al)

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end:(NOW, not 2000 years ago) many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. (NOW)

5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.

6 And one said to the man clothed in linen(Jesus pre incarnate), which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? (Dan. 11:36-45)

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he(Ant-Christ) shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

So, he will only be allowed to rule for 1260 days. Then he will come to his end as vs. 45 shows us. 

I shall not be changing that which the Lord taught me, I do not swap the Lords revelation for men's understandings. You get bogged down in things you should have discounted long ago brother. I read those same TYPE PEOPLES UNDERSTANDING and shoved it away. 

God Bless. 

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Because this is only about the lineage of the Greek Kings Wars !! 

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Shalom, Revelation Man.

NO! It's about Daniel's PEOPLE, the children of Israel! It's all about the people who were ruling OVER THEM through the years! It's how were THEY affected by the various kings and rulers?

Why would God care about "the Greek kings??!!!"

[Revelation Man]

15 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Revelation Man.

NO! It's about Daniel's PEOPLE, the children of Israel! It's all about the people who were ruling OVER THEM through the years! It's how were THEY affected by the various kings and rulers?

Why would God care about "the Greek kings??!!!"

Ever read Daniel 11? Its about Every Greek King because Greece was a BEAST OVER Israel. The 70 weeks decree is about what? God using Gentile Kings in order to bring Israel unto repentance. 

So, that is about Israel. Why do you think Gid mentions the Beasts to start with? Because of Israel sin, God had to bring them unto repentance. No one can read Dan. 11 and not understand that every verse in it is about the Greek Generals Kingdoms inter-kingdom battles. So, God used Beasts to try and move Israel to repentance. In the END TIMES that will finally happen, during the 70th week when this Greek Born King, the Anti-Christ comes to power.

[Retrobyter]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Ever read Daniel 11? Its about Every Greek King because Greece was a BEAST OVER Israel. The 70 weeks decree is about what? God using Gentile Kings in order to bring Israel unto repentance. 

So, that is about Israel. Why do you think Gid mentions the Beasts to start with? Because of Israel sin, God had to bring them unto repentance. No one can read Dan. 11 and not understand that every verse in it is about the Greek Generals Kingdoms inter-kingdom battles. So, God used Beasts to try and move Israel to repentance. In the END TIMES that will finally happen, during the 70th week when this Greek Born King, the Anti-Christ comes to power.

Shalom, Revelation Man.

There's a problem with that belief. It wasn't just Greece that was a BEAST over the children of Israel, and we KNOW this from Daniel 2 and Daniel 7! What happened to Rome in Daniel 11? The prophecy began with the kings of Persia, because by that point in time, Babylon, who destroyed the 1st Temple, had already been defeated by the Medes and the Persians.

But, history records ...

Persia (who had 3 significant rulers left)
Greece's Macedonia (Alexander)
Greece's Ptolemaic Empire (the king of the south)
Greece's Seleucid Empire (the king of the north)
Hasmonean rule (beginning with the Macabees)
Rome's Octavius who became Caesar Augustus
Rome's Antonius ("Anthony"), who became Cleopatra's consort
Rome's proxy king, Herod the Great
Rome's destruction of the 2nd Temple
Rome's Diaspora of the Jews

ALL of these had SIGNIFICANT impact on Daniel's people! And, they are ALL to be found in Daniel 11 and 12!
 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, @Revelation Man

Sorry about strikeout in the last post; I was trying to put "s"s at the end of "king" for both the "KINGS of the south" and the "KINGS of the north." Don't really know what went wrong ....

I looked it up, and on the Mac, it is a CMD-SHIFT-X to start and stop the strikeout shortcut. Sometimes, I have a problem with a kitten walking across my keyboard.

[Revelation Man]

10 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

There's a problem with that belief. It wasn't just Greece that was a BEAST over the children of Israel, and we KNOW this from Daniel 2 and Daniel 7!

There is no problem with that at all, we were given the Greek Kings because the Last Beast had a "ARCHETYPE" in Antiochus Epiphanes, who sacrificed a pig unto Zeus in the temple of God. The Last Beast has a False Prophet and Antiochus had a Jewish High Priest named Jason (Real name Yeshua) who welcomed him into the temple to sacrifice the pig. Jason then "MANDATED" that all Jews become Hellenized which means take onto themselves the Greek world view, he had a Gymnasium built in Jerusalem, but to the Greeks that was a place all males hung out and played sports, in the buff (NAKED, LOL) so there is nothing new under the sun, before the Gospels freed the Western Civilizations they were just as perverted as we are now in the "Western Civilizations". 

Jason bribed Antiochus in order to be named the High Priest, having his real blood brother Onias III killed. This is why I understand the End Time False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest who falls in with the Political goings on of the Anti-Christ, a Greek born MAN who comes to power out of the E.U. 

No one stated it was Just Greece, if you read my reply you could see I say the Anti-Christ has Assyrian blood, is born in Greece and comes to power in the E.U. (Rome's Footprint). But in order to give us all, including you, the BIG PICTURE of the End Time Anti-Christ God gave us Daniel 11, LOOK at verses 21-34, that is the ARCHETYPE of the coming Anti-Christ. That is why we were given every Greek King, because Antiochus was the coming Anti-Christs TYPE. Now we can know what to look for, a Gentile King, who gains power over Israel and then places a Jewish High Priest over the Religious goings on in Israel. 

10 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

What happened to Rome in Daniel 11?

We don't need Rome to understand the ARCHETYPE. 

10 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

The prophecy began with the kings of Persia, because by that point in time, Babylon, who destroyed the 1st Temple, had already been defeated by the Medes and the Persians.

The Prophecy began with Persia to show us (and to prove God's word true to all peoples and nations) how Alexander the Great came to power. The Prophecy ends with the end time Anti-Christ, how Greece fell makes no difference to this Prophecy, how Rome arose and fell makes no difference to this Prophecy, we are shown the END TIME Anti-Christ and what he will be like, so we can UNDERSTAND what to look for. See why now?

 

 

Edited September 2, 2023 by Revelation Man