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Posted
1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

You STILL CAN'T prove that the word in Acts 26:23 and 1 Cor 15:23 means "first in importance".  It means "first in order".

Take it up with GOD.  If what you believe MAKES any of Gods word null and void then what you believe is incorrect.  NOW THAT THE DEAD RISE was BEFORE Christ.  

The natural body is sown and a spiritual body is raised in glory.  That is what is written, that is what I believe.  

 

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

Jesus is resurrected FIRST, followed by "those who belong to Him", which means all believers, and that will occur "when He comes", which is the Second Advent.

every man in his own order

Jesus died and rose, even so them

 

 

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

I've explained that many times.  You should have it memorized by now.

When I die, my soul and spirit LEAVE my body on earth, and my soul and spirit are "at home with the Lord", as Paul describes it.

2 Cor 5-

Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 
We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Except for what comes before that, again without precept on precept we can make the bible say whatever we want
 

1For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

since we ALREADY HAVE ONE IN THE HEAVEN when this one dissolves WHY COME BACK FOR ANOTHER ONE? 

 

COULD one resurrected from the corruption  BE BETTER than the ONE FROM HEAVEN?  


 

2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
DID YOU MISS THAT PART? 


 

3If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

4For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Mortality is swallowed up of life WHEN we are clothed with our SPIRITUAL BODY.


 

5Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

6Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

and present IN THAT building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.


WOULD you trade that for an old body that required blood?  




 

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

All believers who have died previously will have their souls/spirits joined back to their physical body, which will be glorified, immortal and imperishable.  1 Thess 4:13-17

Don't take my word for it.  Read it for yourself.  "it is written".

I already asked you to write out your beliefs under each verse to show it, but here we are...
 

 

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

Why would you say that, since I have CHALLENGED you to prove YOUR claim.  So, if you CAN'T prove your claim from "what is written", then that PROVES that the argument is with YOU and God, since you claim what "isn't written" in the Bible.

You do that quite a bit, say things like they are true...

You speak as if this entire conversation isn't something anyone can go back on and see exactly what has been put forth.  

The fruit doesn't lie...

 

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

So, there is NO mention of believers being in or going to heaven after the resurrection.

Or please show me where "it is written".

Never said that


 

 

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

can't because NONE of the above is true.  Except #1, where Jesus returns with all the saints who have previously died.

Aren't you aware of 1 Thess 4:13-17 and 2 Thess 2:1?  You should read them.

No spirit dies.  Only believers have living spirits.  That's what being born AGAIN is about.  And #3 is just double speak.  It is the DEAD bodies that rise as glorified bodies, but since you have phrased it the way you do, demonstrates your continuing confusion about the whole thing.

That's what I get from what you put forth.  Maybe if you tried to write it out like I did, but that would help




 


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Posted
1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

Asked and answered.

The body of Moses was buried by God. Satan got into a dispute with Michael about it. No mention in Scripture of the body of Moses being resurrected. The Transfiguration was described by Jesus Himself as a vision so no physical bodies of dead saints required.

Best practice is to accept Biblical truth rather than confused and garbled accounts that have no basis in Scriptural reality.

 

There is nothing in the scriptures about Michael..

And nothing about Satan wanting Moses body...and what does he wants to do with his body? 

And why Moses body and why no one else body?

Or Satan is collecting all the dead bodies...or he just wanted Moses...why can he stop the decay of the body...and the big question..where is he going to keep it? 

The truth is there is nothing in the scriptures about that and God never said anything about that...and God never has said that he collects dead bodies...

Why you insist....because you read it in jude? 

And where Jude got it from?  From Deuteronomy? 

 


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Posted
8 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

All of these passages are about the resurrection of all believers, which is when He comes back at the Second Advent.

AGAIN, only the DEAD rise, the living are being brought back.  


2 Thess 2:1 -  Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
All of these passages are about the resurrection of all believers, which is when He comes back at the Second Advent.

That's it?  That is your verse by verse explanation to show me how you arrive at that?  

 

 

16 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Are you denying the resurrection???  Why?  He WILL change the mortal into the immortal.  Why do you reject that truth?

Thank you for the fruit of truth




 


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6 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

There is nothing in the scriptures about Michael..

And nothing about Satan wanting Moses body...and what does he wants to do with his body? 

And why Moses body and why no one else body?

Or Satan is collecting all the dead bodies...or he just wanted Moses...why can he stop the decay of the body...and the big question..where is he going to keep it? 

The truth is there is nothing in the scriptures about that and God never said anything about that...and God never has said that he collects dead bodies...

Why you insist....because you read it in jude? 

And where Jude got it from?  From Deuteronomy? 

 

Jude is part of the canon of scripture, my friend. Acceptance of the canon of scripture as God-breathed is what we agreed upon when we registered as members of Worthy.

Michael is indeed mentioned in Jude. Do you take issue with that?


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19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

You wanted to know where it said there are 2 bodies

44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

No, there ISN'T 2 bodies.  You are just confused.  Focus on the "it" in both statements.  The "it" refers to ONE body, not 2.  

One body, 2 conditions of that one body.  'sown a natural body' refers to physical birth and a mortal body.  THAT body "is raised a spritual body", a reference to the resurrrection body.  Again, one body, born first mortal, and then resurrected immortal.

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 any more questions asked and answered will be skipped.

Hilarious!

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

FreeGrace said: 

All souls are immortal.  Believers will be with God forever and unbelievers will exist apart from God forever.

 Then what is the lake of fire for?
Does 2nd death NO LONGER MEAN DEATH?

Strange questions.  The LOF was designed for the devil and his angels, as eternal punishment for their rebellion.  Matt 25:41.  

The reason the LOF is also called the "second death" is because all unbelievers will be resurrected in order to appear before the GWT judgment.  So when they are cast into the LOF, their physical mortal body will DIE AGAIN.  Boom!

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  You know what, we don't read the words of God the same at all.  I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THE CREATOR OF LANGUAGE KNOWS HOW TO USE THE CORRECT WORDS FOR THE CORRECT ACTIONS AND THOUGHTS while you seem to think HE DOESN'T GET ANYTHING RIGHT.

We sure don't read (understand) them the same.  You have shown your misunderstanding of a lot of things.  For example, you think "first" only means "first in importance", and that is the second usage of it.  You won't even consider the FACT that the word means "first in order" more commonly.

Then, you misread Scripture and come up with your "two bodies" theory.  And the list goes on.

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  ARE YOU SAYING that DEATH is now no longer death AT ALL BUT SOMETHING ELSE?

No, I've never even suggested such silliness.  The basic meaning of death is a separation.  Regarding the physical body, the soul and body are separated.  Regarding God, the unbeliever will be separated from Him in eternity.

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Does BOTH NOT MEAN BOTH HERE ALSO?  
or does KILL not REALLY mean kill?

or does DESTROY not mean destroy?

I'll ask the more important question here.  Does the Bible say that God has, or will, kill any soul?  I'll even answer;  NO, of course not.  We know from Rev 20 that unbelievers will be in torment "day and night, for ever and eve".  Rev 20:10

So you can forget about annihilationism.  It is a heresy.

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

If any of those things mean what they mean, then
WHAT IS THERE TO TORMENT?

The soul.  The conscious part of a person.  Do you really not understand this?

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 GODS OWN BREATH?

Huh?  Please clarify.

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

   The BODY GOES BACK TO DUST.

Yes, I think we all know that.  So what's your point?

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 THAT is what is written in the BIBLE.

Lots of things are written in the Bible.  And you believe a lot of things that AREN'T written in the Bible.  I've consistently asked you for verses that say what you claim, and you don't provide any.  

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  DO YOU THINK THE GRAVE KNOWS which bodies to turn back to dust and which one NOT TO

Another strange question.  Why do you think "graves" even "know anything"?  Where did your "learning" come from?

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

because some of them RECEIVED A SPIRITUAL BODY while others didn't?

Only saved people will receive a spiritual body at the resurrection.  No unbelievers.

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

DO you understand  PRECEPT ON PRECEPT....?

Apparently more than you.  Do YOU?

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Christ died and was raised up, THE GRAVES WERE OPENED, and He led the captives to heaven WHEN HE ASCENDED. 

WE SEE THEM from every nation tongue tribe ect.
sitting before the throne of God
BEFORE THE 2ND ADVENT EVEN TAKES PLACE.
WHERE DID THEY COME FROM?

From Hades.  Where Jesus went after His death.  And He took all the saved people from Paradise to heaven.  

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

IF THEY HAVE NO BODIES THEN WHY THE DESCRIPTION?

What "description" are you referring to?  All I saw was "them that slept" which is a reference to physical death.

I've already told you that the Bible doesn't explain what souls look like after death and before resurrection.  Why are you so focused on what the Bible DOESN'T SAY?

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

BY THE TIME WE EVEN GET TO THIS VERSE those who heard Christ down in hell (them that slept)  have been released from that bondage and are in heaven THEIR NATURAL BODIES SOWN THEIR SPIRITUAL BODIES RAISED.  AND SPIRITUAL BODIES ARE RAISED IN GLORY.  SO NO ONE IS RETURNING FOR yet 
ANOTHER ONE.

You are still confused.  NO ONE in Paradise received a resurrection body when Jesus went to Hades and took them to heaven.  They are STILL awaiting for the resurrection, when they will receive a resurrection body.

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.


so it is IMPOSSIBLE for this verse to say what you ARE SAYING IT SAYS.

It is your own confusion that motivates your erroneous statement.  You falsely think that believers in Paradise (Hades) received resurrection bodies.  That is a poor presumption.  No FACTS at all. 

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 You keep going on like you have addressed the things that make these things impossible.

I don't know what you are talking about.  Please re-phrase.

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 Until you address them the truth can't be found.

You are rejecting the truth.  

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  Please tell me you don't think that Christ TOOK ON THE SINS OF THE WORLD, ALLOWED His blood to be shed, then went to hell and now, with the Lamb slain, new Covenant brought forth, PREACHED THE GOOD NEWS, bringing repentance and forgiving sins, 
then just LEFT ALL THOSE WHO'S ransom had been paid,
 for another couple thousand years. 
Say it ain't so.

The truth is that Jesus went to Hades, "preached to the spirits in prison" and scholars are all divided on what that means or refers to.  So I don't care what it means.  We know the saved people wouldn't be described as being "in prison".  But it makes sense to use that description for unbelievers and the angels from Genesis 6.  

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

I have asked you to give your understanding and apparently you can't.

No, the problem is your misunderstanding of words, apparently.

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  I am not giving mine again.  Write it out like I wrote it out so I can see ALL THIS WISDOM of yours, short of that, we just don't read the words of God the same. 

Why bother, since you aren't reading Scripture correctly.

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 HE body raised up is raised up in glory.  That happens when this body dies.

Where "is it written"?  I don't believe you.  When "this body" dies, the believer will be "at home with the Lord" and awaiting the resurrection of "those who belong to Him", which will be "when He comes".  Rememberf 1 Cor 15:23?

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Abraham was raised up, we know this because of MOSES at the bush.  We know for the body to be raised up the first one has to be sown.  So Abrahams body was sown, the spiritual body was raised up, it was raised in glory.

Couldn't be more in error.  Abraham was NOT resurrected in any sense.  I challenge you to prove your claim with Scripture that SAYS what you SAY.

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  That is what is written AND THAT IS HOW IT IS WRITTEN.  You take objection.  TAKE IT UP WITH GOD.

I don't need to.  I understand what is written, unlike yourself.

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 
YOU HAVE NO CHOICE.  The doctrines you believe REQUIRE it.

What are you now talking about?

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  And I NEVER SAID GOD ISN'T ABLE, I said I don't believe it.

What's the difference then?

By saying you "don't believe it" means you don't believe God is able.

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

AND I don't believe it because 
your doctrines has us sowing a body AND RISING UP WITHOUT ONE and that is the opposite of what is written.

You are sooooo confused.  The words "rising up" MEANS having a resurrection body. It seems YOU are understanding the opposite of the truth.


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Posted (edited)
29 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Jude is part of the canon of scripture, my friend. Acceptance of the canon of scripture as God-breathed is what we agreed upon when we registered as members of Worthy.

Michael is indeed mentioned in Jude. Do you take issue with that?

I will leave this with you but think what you just said and asked your self if you are interested in the truth...

The issue at hand is about Moses...and why in the mountain of configuration he was seen in a vision together with Elijah and they were discussing what will soon will happen to Jesus...that the two of them were together Moses and Elijah and they were discussing Heavenly things before they happened about Jesus and Jesus was listening to them as the three disciples they also heard what they said about Jesus...

Both Moses and Elijah at that time gave witness that Jesus is the Christ of God...Moses had spoken about the one God will sent after him and the people will have to follow him and at that time he gave his witness that Jesus is the one he had spoken about soon after the Covenant of Sinai...and Moses pointed to Jesus and he had this testimony because he was in the Heaven together with Elijah...there is not any doubt that Elijah was in Heaven...

And the appearance of Elijah is proof that Elijah was not to come back as the as the one Moses had promised to come after him and Elijah is not also John the Baptist...because John the Baptist died and he went to Father Abraham and that's where he was at the time of the vision of Moses and Elijah...in the presence of Jesus at the time of the configuration and Jesus acknowledged that they were they when he said to John, Peter and James to keep it a secret till the time after his death..

 

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Posted
25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

FreeGrace said: 

You STILL CAN'T prove that the word in Acts 26:23 and 1 Cor 15:23 means "first in importance".  It means "first in order".

Take it up with GOD. 

I don't need to.  I understand the word, unlike yourself.

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

If what you believe MAKES any of Gods word null and void then what you believe is incorrect.

Well, fortunately, it doesn't.  Nothing I have said and believe does ANY harm to God's Word, unlike yourself.  You misunderstand the meaning of "first" even though it is plainly obvious in 1 Cor 15:23.

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 NOW THAT THE DEAD RISE was BEFORE Christ.

What verse are you thinking of here?

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  The natural body is sown and a spiritual body is raised in glory.  That is what is written, that is what I believe.

So do I.  But you think there are 2 bodies, from a misunderstanding of Scripture.

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  every man in his own order

The Bible doesn't say that.  It says "but EACH in turn", which is a reference to Christ and "those who belong to Him".  All of who will be resurrected "when He comes".  Remember 1 Cor 15:23?  It says exactly that.

The "each" includes Christ, who was resurrected 2,000 years ago.  And then, "when He comes" the group described as "those who belong to Him" will be resurrected.

If you can't see "first in order" here, I really do feel sorry for you.  No wonder you are having such a difficult time with all this.

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

esus died and rose, even so them

What is this, a verse, or a thought, or what?

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Except for what comes before that, again without precept on precept we can make the bible say whatever we want

Which is what I've seen in your posts.

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

1For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
since we ALREADY HAVE ONE IN THE HEAVEN when this one dissolves WHY COME BACK FOR ANOTHER ONE?

Why are you presuming that "a building of God" means a body?  It is a BUILDING, a HOUSE.  Why aren't you reading the verse correctly?

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 COULD one resurrected from the corruption  BE BETTER than the ONE FROM HEAVEN?

There is no resurrection body already in heaven.  

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  
2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
DID YOU MISS THAT PART?

Nope.  Why do you think I have?  Again, the subject is HOUSE, not "body".

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 3If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

4For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
Mortality is swallowed up of life WHEN we are clothed with our SPIRITUAL BODY.

Guess what!!  We KNOW "when" that will be!!  We WILL BE "clothed with our spiritual body" "when He comes" per 1 Cora 15:23.  See how simple this all is?

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

5Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

6Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

and present IN THAT building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

Again, a BUILDING a HOUSE, not a "body".  You presume too much.

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

WOULD you trade that for an old body that required blood?

Silly question.

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  I already asked you to write out your beliefs under each verse to show it, but here we are...

Well, your earlier post wasn't clear at all.  As for verses, I've been explaining them as we go along.  See above.

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

You do that quite a bit, say things like they are true...

Only WHEN they ARE true.  :)

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

You speak as if this entire conversation isn't something anyone can go back on and see exactly what has been put forth.

lol.  I EXPECT anyone who wants to follow this discussion to do just that.

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  The fruit doesn't lie...

[Do you have a verse that says this?]

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

That's what I get from what you put forth.  Maybe if you tried to write it out like I did, but that would help

I'm very clear in what I write.  It is your posts that are very difficult to figure out, and sometimes you don't even finish a sentence.  


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30 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

FreeGrace said: 

All of these passages are about the resurrection of all believers, which is when He comes back at the Second Advent

AGAIN, only the DEAD rise, the living are being brought back.

No, the "living" are NOT "being brought back".  Where do you think the "living" at the Second Advent are being brought back TO?  Doesn't even make sense.

30 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  2 Thess 2:1 -  Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
All of these passages are about the resurrection of all believers, which is when He comes back at the Second Advent.

That's it?  That is your verse by verse explanation to show me how you arrive at that?

If you disagree with my general comment about the verses, you are welcome to refute me by proving that the verses are about something else.  

30 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  

 


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Posted
10 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The idea that Moses died and that God resurrected him...it's not supported by any scripture and by any prophetic saying and by any prophetic event...the Jews did not believe that...acctually the Jews did not know what they believed...there is no one who speak on the name of the Lord in this matter about Moses...no one...

You will never find that before Jesus Christ Death God took anyone to Heaven after he died...

Fleeting with this idea is not advisable...because it does not align with the truth of the Gospel...

 

I didn't say that God resurrected him. There is no scripture to support that people didn't go to Heaven. Enoch and Elijah went to heaven. They didn't go into soul sleep or a waiting room. They went right away into Heaven.


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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

I didn't say that God resurrected him. There is no scripture to support that people didn't go to Heaven. Enoch and Elijah went to heaven. They didn't go into soul sleep or a waiting room. They went right away into Heaven.

Yes to that but they did no go to Heaven in the same way Jesus went to Heaven...

Can you distinguish the deference between them and Jesus....

They were a lot of witnesses when Jesus as he was talking to them he began to ascend to Heaven...

For Elijah we have quite a lot of information and it was foretold to him that the Lord will take him up and Elisa was with him and he witness everything and Elijah throw to him his mantle while on the way up on the chariot..

And the school of the prophets knew that the Lord will take up Elijah without Elijah telling them nothing what was about to happen.  

With Enoch we do not know much only that "he walked with God" and one time he did not come back...supposing that the Lord took him...we do not know how exactly because it was not given to us...we do not have the details...and if he knew before hand and he let his family know...

Certainly his family did not hold a burial without his body...

To say that "you did not say that Moses was not resurrected" is not enough...

You ought to say what we have from scriptures and to begin with the scriptures when the Lord talk to Moses on

Deuteronomy chapter 32:48-52 ...

48 On that same day the Lord told Moses, 

49 “Go up into the Abarim Range to Mount Nebo in Moab, across from Jericho, and view Canaan, the land I am giving the Israelites as their own possession. 

50 There on the mountain that you have climbed you will die and be gathered to your people, just as your brother Aaron died on Mount Hor and was gathered to his people. 

51 This is because both of you broke faith with me in the presence of the Israelites at the waters of Meribah Kadesh in the Desert of Zin and because you did not uphold my holiness among the Israelites. 

52 Therefore, you will see the land only from a distance; you will not enter the land I am giving to the people of Israel.”

Take note that in verse 48 it says the Lord told Moses...

And compared it with Deuteronomy 34:1-6 

 1. Then Moses climbed Mount Nebo from the plains of Moab to the top of Pisgah, across from Jericho. There the Lord showed him the whole land—from Gilead to Dan, 2 all of Naphtali, the territory of Ephraim and Manasseh, all the land of Judah as far as the Mediterranean Sea, 3 the Negev and the whole region from the Valley of Jericho, the City of Palms, as far as Zoar. 4 Then the Lord said to him, “This is the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when I said, ‘I will give it to your descendants.’ I have let you see it with your eyes, but you will not cross over into it.”

5 And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had said. 

6 He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. 

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Can you tell the differences when there were no witnesses because Moses went up to the mountain alone... no one else was with him....and you said that in Ch34:1-6 and who wrote Deuteronomy chapter 34...

Keep in mind what the Lord told Moses in ch32:48-52. And compared it with ch34:1-6...when there was no  one who can tell what happened to Moses...

 

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