Are you aware of this?

[Sower]

  On 1/29/2023 at 4:34 AM, Roymond said:

The number has plunged since several hospitals developed and the AMA has effectively mandated checklists:  everything is checked, noted, checked again, noted, and checked again.

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You were fortunate Roymond. Bet you weren't having surgery at the VA hospital.

They have been doing that for years, being careful and even writing on the patients forehead /and/or the location of surgery. But mistakes still happen.

As far as the numbers having plunged I would like to see that report. And not the hospitals explaining away the numbers. This has been going on for many years and the data is not that hard to find.  Acceptable losses.

There can be coverup when a business, (Hospitals are a business) foresees a loss of revenue with bad publicity. I had a friend who was an anesthesiologist, who would tell us stories about what happens in the surgery room that were  frightening. Last year 43,000 people died in automobile accidents.  Only less than 20% of the hospital record. Accidents means somebodies making a mistake. It happens.

 

[Roymond]

  On 1/29/2023 at 4:10 AM, The_Patriot21 said:

Lol 16 years...compared to decades using traditional vaccines? Especially since the SARs wasn't even fully developed...

So yes, it is extremely new technology, especially with how it works.

And pretty much everything the government and the main stream media told us during the plandemic was a flat out lie...so, pretty much everything.

 

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According to Johns Hopkins, the typical vaccine takes between five and ten years to develop -- and three of that is jumping through the government's regulatory hoops.  So this vaccine got more study than usual, not less.

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[Roymond]

  On 1/29/2023 at 5:27 AM, Sower said:

You were fortunate Roymond. Bet you weren't having surgery at the VA hospital.

They have been doing that for years, being careful and even writing on the patients forehead /and/or the location of surgery. But mistakes still happen.

As far as the numbers having plunged I would like to see that report. And not the hospitals explaining away the numbers. This has been going on for many years and the data is not that hard to find.  Acceptable losses.

There can be coverup when a business, (Hospitals are a business) foresees a loss of revenue with bad publicity. I had a friend who was an anesthesiologist, who would tell us stories about what happens in the surgery room that were  frightening. Last year 43,000 people died in automobile accidents.  Only less than 20% of the hospital record. Accidents means somebodies making a mistake. It happens.

 

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The repeated checking and double-checking is new enough it was still being reported on as drastically changing things in 2018-2019.  The strange thing (that got reported on last year) is institutional resistance to using checklists!

I think the critical change is that it isn't just one person doing the checking; the surgeon doesn't walk in and go to work without the guy in charge of the operating room making sure that the doctor has checked and verified that they agree on the information.

As for anaesthesiologists, they're a lonely outlier; no one else in the room has the expertise to double-check what they're doing -- which is why at the hospital I went to before they started it was the anaesthesilogist's call as to whether or not to proceed; if he hadn't been confident he was alert and attentive, they would have stood down and called for his back-up.

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[The_Patriot21]

  On 1/29/2023 at 5:31 AM, Roymond said:

According to Johns Hopkins, the typical vaccine takes between five and ten years to develop -- and three of that is jumping through the government's regulatory hoops.  So this vaccine got more study than usual, not less.

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Lol you do realize your disproving your own case.

The typical vaccine takes between 5 to 10 years. Using conventional vaccine science.

So the COVID scientists somehow managed to take a new method, that so far has been tested, but not even largely used on one disease, developed a whole new vaccine from it, and managed to get it out in what, less then two?  

It didn't get more study, it got far less study. SARs while similar isn't the same as COVID, and the MRNA science they're using is largely untested...

The vaccine was new technology and rushed through, just in the nick of time...don't worry about the side effects.

You know, like people suddenly dropping dead from heart problems. 

Side effects that we all warned were coming from the start.

But, thankyou for making my case, I truly appreciate it. I however, no longer have the time, nor energy to continue past this point. Have a blessed weekend.

 

[David1701]

  On 1/11/2023 at 2:17 PM, ayin jade said:

Just so there is full awareness. The vaccines do not contain any of the original fetal tissue or cells or cells derived from fetal materials. The cell lines continue to replicate on their own and no further sources of fetal cells are needed. it is common to use cell lines in medicine and medical research since the 1950s or 1960s. They are cells that replicate repeatedly so that new tissue is not required.

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The "immortalised" cell lines (normal cells do not replicate indefinitely and have to be replaced) are produced by making them cancerous.  Let that sink in...

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fda-cancer-cells-in-vaccines/

[Roymond]

  On 1/29/2023 at 7:41 AM, The_Patriot21 said:

Lol you do realize your disproving your own case.

The typical vaccine takes between 5 to 10 years. Using conventional vaccine science.

So the COVID scientists somehow managed to take a new method, that so far has been tested, but not even largely used on one disease, developed a whole new vaccine from it, and managed to get it out in what, less then two?  

It didn't get more study, it got far less study. SARs while similar isn't the same as COVID, and the MRNA science they're using is largely untested...

The vaccine was new technology and rushed through, just in the nick of time...don't worry about the side effects.

You know, like people suddenly dropping dead from heart problems. 

Side effects that we all warned were coming from the start.

But, thankyou for making my case, I truly appreciate it. I however, no longer have the time, nor energy to continue past this point. Have a blessed weekend.

 

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Are you unable to follow a conversation?

Sixteen years of research and then two more is a lot more than five or ten.

So it was not "new technology", it was technology that was developed under three different presidents.

Nor is the mRNA approach "untested"; research on it actually began when Ronald Reagan was president, which means it was ongoing under six presidents, three of them while it was being developed for vaccine use.

And the statistics show that the vaccine has been effective; a far higher proportion of unvaccinated people die from COVID as well as have serious effects from it.

So I only "made your case" because you ignored what has already been said.

[The_Patriot21]

  On 2/3/2023 at 7:22 AM, Roymond said:

Are you unable to follow a conversation?

Sixteen years of research and then two more is a lot more than five or ten.

So it was not "new technology", it was technology that was developed under three different presidents.

Nor is the mRNA approach "untested"; research on it actually began when Ronald Reagan was president, which means it was ongoing under six presidents, three of them while it was being developed for vaccine use.

And the statistics show that the vaccine has been effective; a far higher proportion of unvaccinated people die from COVID as well as have serious effects from it.

So I only "made your case" because you ignored what has already been said.

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Lol ok, if you say so. I mean your SARs vaccine is not the same, and virtually every other vaccine on the market has 5-10 years study in the lab before being released, and the previous method for vaccines have been around for decades,

But if you want to trust that COVID vaccine after only two years max testing, just because one previous vaccine was made with the same method, that's your choice. But I certainly don't have time to argue with you over it. Have a nice day.