Chosen to Salvation

[FreeGrace]

54 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

But why then do some believe, since all are in this condition of rebellious hardness of heart, dead in their trespasses? The book of Acts gives the answer in at least three different ways. One is that they are appointed to believe. When Paul preached in Antioch of Pisidia, the Gentiles rejoiced and “as many as were appointed to eternal life believed” (Acts 13:48).

Oh, my goodness!!  First, John 6:45 tells us who comes to Jesus:  those who have listened and learned from the Father.  This is a choice that people make, just like Lydia and Cornelius.  Both were unsaved worshipers of God.  God "opened their hearts" BECAUSE they were seeking Him.  Heb 11:6 - And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

Both Lydia and Cornelius "earnestly sought Him".  And they found Him.

54 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

The drawing to Jesus is a supernatural act of God, So is the believing and faith..it’s called saving faith...not human faith or belief.

God rewards those who seek Him, per Heb 11:6.  

54 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

◄ Acts 16:14 ►

Context    Crossref    Comment    Greek  Verse  (Click for Chapter) New International Version One of those listening was a woman from the city of Thyatira named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth. She was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message. New Living Translation One of them was Lydia from Thyatira, a merchant of expensive purple cloth, who worshiped God. As she listened to us, the Lord opened her heart, and she accepted what Paul was saying   Thank you Lord for drawing me to Jesus to believe in his name, then birthing me in the Spirit.....Hallelujah!!...Praise God.

We note that Lydia "was a worshiper of God" BEFORE Paul met her.  That is why God "opened up her heart".  She fulfilled Heb 11:6, just as Cornelius did.

No mystery at all.  And, God does NOT cause anyone to believe.  He does reward those who seek Him, as Heb 11:6 plainly says.

[David1701]

15 hours ago, Michael37 said:

All are at one time vessels of wrath.

I know WHY some fail of God's Grace, and it's not because God is too mean to reveal it to them.

Titus 2:11-14

The Bible never says that everyone was, at one time, a vessel of wrath.  That is nonsense.

Rom. 9:20-24 (KJV)

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
  21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
  22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
  23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
  24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

---This passage is the one time that the expression "vessels of wrath" is used, in the Bible.  As we can see, God made, from the same lump of clay (i.e. fallen Adam), some vessels to be vessels of wrath fitted to destruction, and some to be vessels of mercy, prepared beforehand for glory.

The difference between the vessels is not the clay they were made from (they all came from the same lump), but the purpose of the Potter.

[David1701]

12 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

In the days after the Gospel was preached and was preached to the Jews and to Galileans and to everyone who was following the law of Moses...

At that time the Nation of Israel was divided between those who had believed in Jesus Christ and those who continue to observed the Law of Moses.

Both groups claimed that they had the right to be called the people of God and by that they were judging or condemning the other group that was not...or that was lost.

And this is how the disciples began to call those who have believed in Jesus Christ as to distinguish them from those who were still following the Law of Moses and partake in the Atonement done in the Temple the disciples call the believers in Jesus Christ the elect people of God...in that they had been justified and sanctified by the blood of the Slain Lamb of God which is Jesus Christ..in this the Jewish believers learn not to participate in the Atonements done with the blood of the sacrificial animals in the Temple and not to seek to sanctify themselves by the rituals in the Law of Moses....

They taught them that they were the elect because it was the will of God to have children forever more justified and sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ...

That the Law of Moses was given to the people till the time when the Lamb of God which is Jesus Christ will died or offered up himself to died on the Cross and shed the blood for the Atonement of the sins of the whole world...

Because when those whom they called Gentiles they also became the elect when they believed..

Whether Jew believers or Gentile believers both are the elect people of God, because both are justified and sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ...

This statement it meant to set the believers in Jesus Christ apart from the other Jews and Galileans who were still in the worship according to the Sinai Covenant.  

We don't become elect when we believe.  God's choice of whom to save was made before the foundation of the world.

Eph. 1:3-6 (KJV)

 3 Blessedbe the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
  4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
  5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
  6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

[FreeGrace]

37 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Spiritual Belief can only come from God, he draws us to Jesus to believe in his name, that’s the drawing,Man believes from the heart , because the heart is receptive because God opens it, that’s how he testified with my spirit that I’m his child, he had opened my heart to receive, just like he did to Lydia....you have to be given those spiritual eyes and ears...and Praise God ,I was given them and I grow daily in the Spirit  of Christ.the seed that is planted in the heart of his child, is imperishable, the heart must be opened by God to receive that seed of faith...God’s word is alive and active, it penetrates the heart.

None of this is stated in Scripture.  The Bible makes no claim about "spiritual belief" as the poster says here.  That is just a made up term.  There is belief and there is saving belief.   Belief that is not saving is anything other than Who the Person of Jesus Christ is and what He did on the cross for everyone.  Saving belief is just that; Who the Person of Jesus Christ is and what He did on the cross for everyone.

37 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Its all about the heart / Spirit and not man’s mind or belief ...

Since the Bible says that man believes from the heart, it IS IS IS all about belief from the heart.  

Belief from the heart is man's response to the gospel promise.  And God gave mankind a conscience with which to determine right from wrong.  So the gospel promise can be understood by unbelievers.  

[FreeGrace]

3 minutes ago, David1701 said:

We don't become elect when we believe.  God's choice of whom to save was made before the foundation of the world.

Eph. 1:3-6 (KJV)

 3 Blessedbe the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
  4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
  5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
  6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

To be clear, v.4 is ALL ABOUT God choosing believers for service.  The "us" in v.4 is plainly defined in v.19 as "us who believe".  So that's WHO the "us" is in v.4.

Kinda sinks the claims made by Calvinists, but that's the way it goes.

And v.4 isn't about salvation either.  It's about what we (believers) SHOULD BE:  which is "holy and without blame".  

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

God draws all believers to his Son.

More correctly the Son draws whom He desires to the Father.

Mat 11:27
(27)  All things have been delivered to me by my Father. No one knows the Son, except the Father; neither does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and he to whom the Son desires to reveal him.

Joh 14:6
(6)  Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

The Bible never says that everyone was, at one time, a vessel of wrath.  That is nonsense.

The implication is there . . .

Eph 2:1-3

(1) And you were dead in the trespasses and sins

(2) in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience--

(3) among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

[Michael37]

3 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

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44 Bible Verses aboutGod Drawing Us To Himself

 

John 6:44 ESV / 71 helpful votes

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

John 12:32 ESV / 41 helpful votes

And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

John 6:37 ESV / 28 helpful votes

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.....😃

Ping . . .

Rev 3:19-21
(19)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
(20)  Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
(21)  To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

[Michael37]

1 minute ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

1 Peter 1:23 Parallel Verses [⇓ See commentary ⇓]

1 Peter 1:23, NIV: For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

1 Peter 1:23, ESV: since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;

1 Peter 1:23, KJV: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Rom 10:8-11
(8)  But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming:

(9)  that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

(10)  For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.

(11)  It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”

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Have a blessed day.

[David1701]

4 hours ago, Michael37 said:

The implication is there . . .

Eph 2:1-3

(1) And you were dead in the trespasses and sins

(2) in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience--

(3) among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

Children of wrath are not the same thing as vessels of wrath.

We all once had the same sinful nature, which is why we all deserved wrath.  This is what is meant by us being, before salvation, children of wrath like the rest; however, vessels of wrath are made for this purpose, as Romans 9 states.  This is a quite different context and message.

Edited January 17, 2023 by David1701