Three Wise Men And A Star

[other one]

2 minutes ago, tim_from_pa said:

I think most good astronomy programs use the Julian date.  The Gregorian or whatever is converted to that so it just counts days -- no BC or AD dates in the calculations; just conversions.  For example, the Julian date here when I typed this message was 2459935.16667

I'll have to look into that deeper.  I'm not sure how that works in the program that I have.

[other one]

1 hour ago, tim_from_pa said:

Yes, that too.  That arrangement with the sun and moon happen quite often at the feast of Trumpets. Some years the woman is "clothed" a bit better than others, but generally the same.

It's the addition of the tree planets above her head with the fixed 9 stars in Leo and Jupiter exiting her tummy that is so rare.   The sun and moon thing happens often.

[Dennis1209]

27 minutes ago, other one said:

I have a Stellarium program that shows the sky for any date at any location,  It is interesting to use.   I haven't looked at very any other events really, mostly to help find things with my telescope.  I'm not much of an astrologist. 

I have had questions about the transition from BC to AD in that was there a year "0".  I haven't sorted that out yet.

What events have you looked at?

I have yet to look at any. I have watched some videos where that program was used to assign dates to several Biblical events, sometimes within 80 minutes. The program seems to correlate to recorded history and events.

I was just wondering about the validity and accuracy of such a program going backward and forward in time.

Example: Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

I have always contended that the above verse was related to:

Genesis 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

Jacob (sun), Bilhah (moon), eleven stars, Joseph’s brothers. This seems to have been fulfilled in Egypt. Others think otherwise, that it is the astrological alignment. Israel and Jerusalem are always the centers of the world in most cases. I found it interesting when they ran that program for Gen. 37:9 and the results.

 

[other one]

3 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

I have yet to look at any. I have watched some videos where that program was used to assign dates to several Biblical events, sometimes within 80 minutes. The program seems to correlate to recorded history and events.

I was just wondering about the validity and accuracy of such a program going backward and forward in time.

Example: Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

I have always contended that the above verse was related to:

Genesis 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

Jacob (sun), Bilhah (moon), eleven stars, Joseph’s brothers. This seems to have been fulfilled in Egypt. Others think otherwise, that it is the astrological alignment. Israel and Jerusalem are always the centers of the world in most cases. I found it interesting when they ran that program for Gen. 37:9 and the results.

 

Well, I personally can't envision what that would actually look like in the sky.

[Dennis1209]

4 minutes ago, other one said:

Well, I personally can't envision what that would actually look like in the sky.

Me either, that is part of why I was asking. In the presentations showing the program software. It showed the constellation, sun and moon at a certain date. But anyway, it was interesting showing another interpretation of the meaning of scripture, and well above my paygrade. 

[tim_from_pa]

The Scripture says of a crown of 12 stars on her head.  There's been a lot of conjecture about what that means: e.g. 3 planets and the 9 stars of Leo etc etc.  I just take that as meaning the 12 zodiac constellations  that it's a clue we are looking at the stars.  Some may ask, "well, there are 12 constellations, but Virgo is one of them.  Would she be wearing herself as a crown?'  Actually, there are 13:  Ophiuchus.  We know that most 'Jewish' years have 12 months but some have 13. So if we are trying to make a candidate year for something, then maybe it's a leap year.  

[Starise]

Apparently the calenders we use have been changed quite a lot from the original Jewish calender, so predictions of cycles would have been looked at on different dates or months.

[tim_from_pa]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

Apparently the calenders we use have been changed quite a lot from the original Jewish calender, so predictions of cycles would have been looked at on different dates or months.

The ancient Jewish calendar went by observation, so the months correlated with the seasons as the calendar does now.  The present Jewish calendar is an algorithm that approximates (quite well) the position of the lunar cycle. It's not radically different in other words.

As for the Gregorian calendar, I would not even consider that, as it is a Gentile Solar calendar that does not consider the lunar cycle.