Thoughts On Atheism and Atheists

[chesed]

8 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Depends on what year the Church began when Peter preached his sermon in the upper room on the day of Pentecost. I think 2029 could be the 2,000 year anniversary of the church. Or is it a birthday? Either way, we should buy a cake and celebrate. 

Proverbs 24:33 A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, 34 and poverty will come upon you like a robber, and need like a bandit.

I love cake...

 

 

 

Edited October 3, 2022 by chesed
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[com7fy8]

Years ago, while I was a Catholic. I got the idea that I should question if God exists or not. But I was afraid I could get in trouble with God if I did that. So, I asked His permission, then dismissed myself from God so I could evaluate if He exists.

Very soon, I started to question if >I< existed! And I got stuck on that for some time.

Now I maybe see the connection: if there is question that God exists, then certainly there is question that I exist.

[Omegaman 3.0]

On 9/30/2022 at 11:51 AM, Starise said:

How many here were once atheist and came to the Lord? If so, what caused you to change?

I answered this earlier, but it was probably unseen, as it was hidden as unfinished previously:

 

[JohnR7]

6 hours ago, com7fy8 said:

Now I maybe see the connection: if there is question that God exists, then certainly there is question that I exist.

Nothing does not exist. There is no such thing as nothing. So the current theory based on a movie (Matrix) is if we do not exist, then we must be a computer generated simulation. So the simulator would have to exist to create us. Perhaps by the same logic, God would have to exist to create us. 

[Starise]

7 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

I answered this earlier, but it was probably unseen, as it was hidden as unfinished previously:

 

I'm glad you brought this up because it was indeed, not showing up earlier. Either that or I missed it.

@Omegaman 3.0 I appreciate your input.

I will say this as a person who can't claim biology science as my area of expertise. The other areas I am involved with are not biological, and to be fair I doubt most people have this as their line of training or study, yes, it's a basic thing for anyone entering the medical field to get  into it and there are of course, other areas that delve deeper into these things at a level deeper than most. Most of us have been exposed to a basic understanding of science in higher grades and college, even if it was just a required course to graduate.

To a very large degree I think this often works in the favor of those with theories that few understand the basis for. It would be like me selling a 'load of bull' to someone about how their smart phone works. They might nod with a deer-in-the headlights look on their face as if they understand or agree, but really they don't have a clue what the person is really talking about. THIS is what I think modern science is capitalizing on, THIS is what they hope for, because empty uninformed minds can be filled with all kinds of gobbledy gook that passes for science.

We like to think those in any given field of study who give their lives to learn it should at least have a far better grasp on it than the rest of us.

In the case of modern biology this would not be true. They have hunches and guesses and theories. One thing we can't do when they talk about a lot of this is trust them without facts. They  lean on theories which are proven to be false only a few years later. 

What impressed me about your testimony, was that, there you were collecting specimens of God's creation at a young age and never questioned the amazing detail and complexity. Or maybe you did, but those things they told you sufficed, which would seem counter productive to me for any thinking person. Not in any way making a negative statement here about you or anyone else in the same position that you were in, just wondering why we humans tend to trust and accept what we are told by those we think we can trust and how this seems to override any inclination to sometimes scratch our heads and rethink what we were told.

I guess this is easier to understand at younger ages. We trust those over us and if it's on Wikipedia, or in a text book at our school, we just memorize the answers for the test.

The true absurdity of this should be even more apparent when we are supposed to believe there are over 100 genders and maybe our plumbing doesn't reflect what we are. 

That God 'opens up' to those who truly seek Him seems to be what changed it for you.

 

Edited October 3, 2022 by Starise

[missmuffet]

3 hours ago, Starise said:

I'm glad you brought this up because it was indeed, not showing up earlier. Either that or I missed it.

@Omegaman 3.0 I appreciate your input.

I will say this as a person who can't claim biology science as my area of expertise. The other areas I am involved with are not biological, and to be fair I doubt most people have this as their line of training or study, yes, it's a basic thing for anyone entering the medical field to get  into it and there are of course, other areas that delve deeper into these things at a level deeper than most. Most of us have been exposed to a basic understanding of science in higher grades and college, even if it was just a required course to graduate.

To a very large degree I think this often works in the favor of those with theories that few understand the basis for. It would be like me selling a 'load of bull' to someone about how their smart phone works. They might nod with a deer-in-the headlights look on their face as if they understand or agree, but really they don't have a clue what the person is really talking about. THIS is what I think modern science is capitalizing on, THIS is what they hope for, because empty uninformed minds can be filled with all kinds of gobbledy gook that passes for science.

We like to think those in any given field of study who give their lives to learn it should at least have a far better grasp on it than the rest of us.

In the case of modern biology this would not be true. They have hunches and guesses and theories. One thing we can't do when they talk about a lot of this is trust them without facts. They  lean on theories which are proven to be false only a few years later. 

What impressed me about your testimony, was that, there you were collecting specimens of God's creation at a young age and never questioned the amazing detail and complexity. Or maybe you did, but those things they told you sufficed, which would seem counter productive to me for any thinking person. Not in any way making a negative statement here about you or anyone else in the same position that you were in, just wondering why we humans tend to trust and accept what we are told by those we think we can trust and how this seems to override any inclination to sometimes scratch our heads and rethink what we were told.

I guess this is easier to understand at younger ages. We trust those over us and if it's on Wikipedia, or in a text book at our school, we just memorize the answers for the test.

The true absurdity of this should be even more apparent when we are supposed to believe there are over 100 genders and maybe our plumbing doesn't reflect what we are. 

That God 'opens up' to those who truly seek Him seems to be what changed it for you.

 

I have also had conversations with athiests and the conversation is shallow. Such as the weather, how are you? or something pertaining to our world today. Some people have even stopped talking to me or ignored me once they find out I am a Christian. 

[NCAP]

25 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I have also had conversations with athiests and the conversation is shallow. Such as the weather, how are you? or something pertaining to our world today. Some people have even stopped talking to me or ignored me once they find out I am a Christian. 

Those some people may feel that Christians have nothing else to talk about except themselves and their relationship with the invisible (God, Jesus, angels...etc.)

Edited October 3, 2022 by NCAP

[missmuffet]

28 minutes ago, NCAP said:

Those some people may feel that Christians have nothing else to talk about except themselves and their relationship with the invisible (God, Jesus, angels...etc.)

Or it reminds them of their eternity. 

[NCAP]

4 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Or it reminds them of their eternity. 

That and maybe the fact that man is mortal in comparison.

You and I are neither God nor the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. (1 Timothy 6:13-16)

[missmuffet]

6 minutes ago, NCAP said:

That and maybe the fact that man is mortal in comparison.

You and I are neither God nor the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. (1 Timothy 6:13-16)

They see something in us that repels them.