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[Starise]

4 minutes ago, Dan Knight said:

...yes..I'm listening..

Adam was instructed not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil by God.

Since Eve was created for Adam after Adam's instruction, I think we can safely say, Adam, God or someone told her the same information since she confirms it in Gen 3:4. She was aware the tree was off limits according to God, so we can't claim ignorance for her here.

Genesis 3:3 

but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

Genesis 3:4-5 The very next verse the serpent says-

 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Eve was hearing a direct contradiction to what the creator said. She had a choice to ignore the serpent or to consider his lie. She chose the latter and eventually acted on it.

The command was not to eat of or even touch The tree.

The first outcome from her and Adam's actions-

Gen 3:7 -

Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Something was different. Something had changed here. Was this what Eve thought was going to happen? No. She thought they would "be like God". Instead they realized they were naked. This was only a half truth " you will be like God". They realized they had sinned and they understood better what sin was, but it was too late.

It is a sin to want to be like God in any way shape or fashion. Humanity got the short end of that stick. The lie and promise, to be like God is an impossibility in the truest sense. This is what Satan wanted as well. He had already taken his fall and now he was after man to make him fall in the same way. 

Of course, this all leads to more questions, like why was Satan in the garden in the first place? And why was he called a serpent and compared to other beasts of the field, instead of the fallen angelic being he really was? I believe there is some symbology there.

 

 

 

 

[Dan Knight]

16 minutes ago, Starise said:

Adam was instructed not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil by God.

Since Eve was created for Adam after Adam's instruction, I think we can safely say, Adam, God or someone told her the same information since she confirms it in Gen 3:4. She was aware the tree was off limits according to God, so we can't claim ignorance for her here.

Genesis 3:3 

but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

Genesis 3:4-5 The very next verse the serpent says-

 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Eve was hearing a direct contradiction to what the creator said. She had a choice to ignore the serpent or to consider his lie. She chose the latter and eventually acted on it.

The command was not to eat of or even touch The tree.

The first outcome from her and Adam's actions-

Gen 3:7 -

Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Something was different. Something had changed here. Was this what Eve thought was going to happen? No. She thought they would "be like God". Instead they realized they were naked. This was only a half truth " you will be like God". They realized they had sinned and they understood better what sin was, but it was too late.

It is a sin to want to be like God in any way shape or fashion. Humanity got the short end of that stick. The lie and promise, to be like God is an impossibility in the truest sense. This is what Satan wanted as well. He had already taken his fall and now he was after man to make him fall in the same way. 

Of course, this all leads to more questions, like why was Satan in the garden in the first place? And why was he called a serpent and compared to other beasts of the field, instead of the fallen angelic being he really was? I believe there is some symbology there.

 

 

 

 

I also believe that the sin was committed before the eating of the fruit. They believed that God was a liar.

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Dan Knight said:

I also believe that the sin was committed before the eating of the fruit. They believed that God was a liar.

In reading Genesis ch.2 and 3, in that context there is nothing said that Adam and or Eve can have the knowledge of good and evil by any other way than by eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:16-17 NIV 

¹⁶ And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; ¹⁷ but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

 

[kwikphilly]

11 minutes ago, johann pretorius said:

@Starise Me, a Jew, with a name like  Johann Pretorius?
I have a lot of Jewish and rabbinical sources, my brother, but I am a goy, a believer in Christ Jesus, same as you, a fellow brother in the yoke of the Strong Ox.
Rom 10:12  For there is no distinction between Yehudi and Yevani [cf 3:9], for the same one is Adon Echad l'chulam (one L-rd over all), rich to all who call upon Him. 
Rom 10:13  For V'HAYAH KOL ASHER YIKRA B'SHEM ADONOI ("Everyone whoever calls upon the Name of the L-rd" YOEL 3:5 [2:32]) shall be delivered. 
OJB

Some bad reviews on this bible brother, but it works for me, not my primary bible though.

Rom 10:8  But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach: 
Rom 10:9  because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved: 
Rom 10:10  for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 
Rom 10:11  For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be put to shame. 
Rom 10:12  For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him: 
Rom 10:13  for, Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

But on a serious note, I was married to a Messianic Jewess, a precious jewel, heaven on earth, till the Lord took her home.

And now I am here with you guys and gals.

Blessings
J. 

Welcome again Johann!

 

[DeighAnn]

8 minutes ago, johann pretorius said:

You remind me of a fresh breeze on Worthy.

Always and no matter what.  Even if reprimanding, that kind and gentle and loving spirit shines through...just makes a person want to  

[Dan Knight]

25 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

In reading Genesis ch.2 and 3, in that context there is nothing said that Adam and or Eve can have the knowledge of good and evil by any other way than by eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:16-17 NIV 

¹⁶ And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; ¹⁷ but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

 

Agreed. What kept them in obedience was the consequence of disobedience.  They obviously knew and understood what .."surely die" meant, because as soon as the devil said, 'You shall not surely die" and went on to explain Why God would lie to them, she made a direct dash to get that Power Giving fruit. Fruit that would make them like the Most High God.  

Note worthy; That was Satan's desire.  To be like the Most High God. 

They believed that God was a liar.

That God was fallible,  had done them wrong. That's probably why I feel so powerfully drawn to the thief on the cross who said, "..this man has done nothing wrong".  

Adam accused God of giving him a faulty mate. " It was the woman You gave me...".

I reflect on my own experiences.  When have I accused God of wrong doing. Most of the time it's when I'm under pressure. 

[DeighAnn]

On 9/12/2022 at 10:05 AM, Starise said:

I can't guarantee I'll be able to answer everything.

Please no silly questions like - Did Adam have a belly button?

Revelation 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of Him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Why was it sealed?  

 

[Dennis1209]

4 hours ago, Starise said:

I believe work in the garden was not toilsome as compared to work outside the garden. Bodies didn't grow tired and plants produced well. 

 

Yes sir, and I think that work was originally meant to be enjoyable and fulfilling.

I'd like to add another thought, and get the answer grape's opinion :-) LoL

These idealist conditions are only described inside the Garden of Eden proper. The Garden appears to be a small spot inside the boundaries of Eden itself. Had the fall not occurred, it seems population density would have eventually forced migration outside of the Garden.

Apparently, outside of the Garden it had to be subdued (controlled), perhaps to make it like the Garden of Eden. Everything that God made was good. What were the conditions outside of the Garden that had to be subdued and controlled? 

[Sower]

1 hour ago, johann pretorius said:

What is that which
enables one man to stand up before a multitude of his fellows, all
unprepared it may be, but determined that he will speak nothing
but Christ, and Him crucified?

What is that which enables........? (the spirit within!)

Urgency within, to share the Light, the truth!

No explanation needed.........just conviction!

[Your closest friendnt]

10 minutes ago, johann pretorius said:

Do you have any scriptural support for this?
That Adam and Eve sinned BEFORE the eating?

Gen 3:1  Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” 
[Did Adam and Eve sinned BEFORE this?]

Gen 3:2  And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, 
Gen 3:3  but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” 

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1Now the serpent was cunning, more than all the beasts of the field that the Lord God had made, and it said to the woman, "Did God indeed say, 'You shall not eat of any of the trees of the garden?'"         אוְהַנָּחָשׁ֙ הָיָ֣ה עָר֔וּם מִכֹּל֙ חַיַּ֣ת הַשָּׂדֶ֔ה אֲשֶׁ֥ר עָשָׂ֖ה יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהִ֑ים וַיֹּ֨אמֶר֙ אֶל־הָ֣אִשָּׁ֔ה אַ֚ף כִּֽי־אָמַ֣ר אֱלֹהִ֔ים לֹ֣א תֹֽאכְל֔וּ מִכֹּ֖ל עֵ֥ץ הַגָּֽן:
2And the woman said to the serpent, "Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat.         בוַתֹּ֥אמֶר הָֽאִשָּׁ֖ה אֶל־הַנָּחָ֑שׁ מִפְּרִ֥י עֵֽץ־הַגָּ֖ן נֹאכֵֽל:
3But of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, God said, "You shall not eat of it, and you shall not touch it, lest you die.'"         גוּמִפְּרִ֣י הָעֵץ֘ אֲשֶׁ֣ר בְּתֽוֹךְ־הַגָּן֒ אָמַ֣ר אֱלֹהִ֗ים לֹ֤א תֹֽאכְלוּ֙ מִמֶּ֔נּוּ וְלֹ֥א תִגְּע֖וּ בּ֑וֹ פֶּן־תְּמֻתֽוּן:
4And the serpent said to the woman, "You will surely not die.         דוַיֹּ֥אמֶר הַנָּחָ֖שׁ אֶל־הָֽאִשָּׁ֑ה לֹא־מ֖וֹת תְּמֻתֽוּן:
5For God knows that on the day that you eat thereof, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like angels, knowing good and evil."         הכִּ֚י יֹדֵ֣עַ אֱלֹהִ֔ים כִּ֗י בְּיוֹם֙ אֲכָלְכֶ֣ם מִמֶּ֔נּוּ וְנִפְקְח֖וּ עֵֽינֵיכֶ֑ם וִֽהְיִיתֶם֙ כֵּֽאלֹהִ֔ים יֹֽדְעֵ֖י ט֥וֹב וָרָֽע:
6And the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was a delight to the eyes, and the tree was desirable to make one wise; so she took of its fruit, and she ate, and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.

https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8167#:~:text=Bereshit - Genesis - Chapter 3

When Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the tree they disobeyed the Lord God...

They acted in disobedience...to the commandment of God. 

At the time of their judgment the Lord God did not say to them that you have sin.

He said you did what I had ask you not to do...( and they voice their excuse for disobeying the Lord's command. 

And he also Judge the Serpent because for what he did..to entice Eve to eat from the fruit of the tree...

What is the point not to follow what the commentary says, that they disobeyed the specific commandment of the Lord God, a comamandment made only to them and not to  any other human being ever...

Why the departure from the commentaries text...

What is your excuse...giving an excuse for the departure it is counted as an admission of the departure from the text...

They disobeyed the Command yes...

And the Lord God said, that as they are now they need to eat from the fruit of Life...

After eating from the fruit of Life when they disobey God they will live and not die...as it happened to them when they disobeyed the Lord God..

Who is telling us that Adam and Eve had died...or they died the moment when they ate from the fruit of the tree, at the time of their disobedience...