The Word of God (Scripture)

[enoob57]

1 minute ago, kwikphilly said:

Excellent,thank you

It's always been a challenge for me to see " Jesus" in many of the OT stories though I Know,because He Said So- It's ALL about Him

Sometimes I ask Him to take me through the Scriptures and show me as He Did on the road with the 2 men when He Walked with them after He Rose Again- He Showed them the Scriptures Wrote about Him.    Oh,I can only imagine their Joy!!!

With love,in Christ -Kwik

His will be the first pure spoken Word we hear... we know when He was here

John 7:45 (KJV)

[45] Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him?

[46] The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.

 

[farouk]

12 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Excellent,thank you

It's always been a challenge for me to see " Jesus" in many of the OT stories though I Know,because He Said So- It's ALL about Him

Sometimes I ask Him to take me through the Scriptures and show me as He Did on the road with the 2 men when He Walked with them after He Rose Again- He Showed them the Scriptures Wrote about Him.    Oh,I can only imagine their Joy!!!

With love,in Christ -Kwik

@kwikphilly I do love how in the passage, before the Lord revealed Himself, the day was 'far spent', etc. Yet after the Lord revealed Himself, immediately at the same hour they arose and went to Jerusalem.

Reminds me of Romans 13.12: "The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light."

Also, of John Newton's words:

"How precious did that grace appear

The hour I first believed!"
 

[David1701]

4 hours ago, Mr. M said:

He has saved you for His own purpose, to serve His Son.

 

I did not ask for what purpose God has saved you.  I asked from what God has saved you.

Perhaps you would like to answer the question asked, rather than pretending that I asked a totally different question.

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No brother, those who teach that only the election are saved and everyone

else is damned to hell is a cruel and heartless misrepresentation of the Father.

 

You are contradicting the word of God.

Rom. 11:5-8 (Webster)

 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
  6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
  7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded {blinded: or, hardened}
  8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) to this day.

 

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We are among those who have been entrusted with a divine commission

and given the greatest gifts of grace, and as a matter of fact, are expected

much more of then those who were not given to the Son by the Father.

Jesus promised that no one can snatch them from Him, but he does

not say they are free to do as they please either.

 

We are to do what the Lord says.  Everyone agrees about that.

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That is not a doctrine,

that's just what He taught, often by parables, because the common people

were not chosen and not given to understand the principles of the kingdom.

That does not not make them children of Satan.

Those who willfully oppose

Christ are those who serve the spirit of anti-christ and serve Satan.

Most people throughout history have just tried to earn an honest living

and raise a family. It is the privileged, the educated, the wealthy who

manufacture most doctrines that divide the faithful into factions, and

ignore the Father's heart towards the poor, the oppressed, the widow,

the orphan, the persecuted Jew or other minority. They are promised

deliverance and justice. They were not called and chosen to serve the

Gospel of Jesus Christ. This is why the scriptures clearly state:

2 Peter 1:

9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,

and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call

and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 

11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the

everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

And those who rule with Him are called, and chosen, AND FAITHFUL.

Rule who? Certainly not the cruel and violent oppressors, they are 

the condemned. Most everyone else clearly qualify for the merciful

kindness of our loving Father. They simply are not the election, 

only a remnant of the Jews, and a chosen number of Gentiles serve.

If everyone is called to the ministry, who are the ministered? 

 

Election is to salvation, not merely service.

Rom. 9:21-24 (Webster)

21  Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel to honour, and another to dishonour?
  22  What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: {fitted: or, made up}
  23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had before prepared for glory,
  24  Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

[David1701]

4 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Philippians 2:

12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed,

not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, 

work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 

13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.This is not a false doctrine, and only applies to the election.

Of course the word of God is not false doctrine; but, do you understand what Phil. 2:12,13 means?

It certainly does not mean that outworking our salvation is to be with terror and trepidation! 

It means with godly reverence and trembling in awe.  Why is this?  Because it is the eternal, almighty, thrice holy God who is working in you, to will and do of his good pleasure.

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If you aren't

chosen, you cannot lose the reward of the faithful. Salvation is for all,

but who chose the way of the wicked will be cast away as the chaff.

If you are so confident in this doctrine, why are you condemning so many when few are chosen?

 

What are you talking about?  I've not condemned anyone!  Quit the false accusations.

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I don't see the righteous judgment of a merciful

Father, just a few that got lucky, won the lottery, and have a free gift

that everyone else is just so much refuse. All they have to do is accept

Christ as Lord and Savior? That's not a covenant relationship through

the Son. They are called to serve, and be judged accordingly. The rest

live a life that was ordained for them from the foundation of the world.

Adam was commanded to tend the land. The majority of mankind

throughout history have done so under a curse. Yet if they do so faithfully,

why the condemnation?  They didn't tithe the produce of the land, or

follow laws of rest for the land because they were not the among

the first chosen to be a covenant people and given a Law for keeping

the land holy.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come,

and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou

should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints,

and them that fear thy name, small and great; and

should destroy them which destroy the earth.

How many prosperous people who are defined as consumers

among the nations escape that judgment? And why, because

they attended a church that promised them they will go straight

to heaven simply by believing? The western nations with their

military might and economic power sound more like the fourth

beast of Daniel that tread down the earth, than a nation under God.

My modest suggestion to every Christian is to reduce their proverbial

"carbon footprint" and stop devouring the poor.

Isaiah 3:

13 The Lord stands up to plead,
And stands to judge the people.
14 The Lord will enter into judgment
With the elders of His people
And His princes:
“For you have eaten up the vineyard;
The plunder of the poor is in your houses.
15 What do you mean by crushing My people
And grinding the faces of the poor?”
Says the Lord God of hosts.

 

It's very simple: God has chosen to save some of Adam's hell-deserving race, before the foundation of the world.  He predestines these to salvation, by grace, through hearing the gospel and through faith in his Son.  The rest are left in the sin they desire and are left to the consequences of that sin.

Eph. 1:3-6 (Webster)

 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
  4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
  5 Having predestinated us to the adoption of children to himself by Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of his will,
  6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, in which he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

[David1701]

4 hours ago, Mr. M said:

I quoted you as saying the doctrines of grace is the Gospel. 

I have shown everyone by the words of the Gospel to not be

so, if you cannot see that, stick around and see how manyon the forum can.

Okay, so you don't believe in salvation by grace alone.  What religion are you; because Christians believe that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone, to the glory of God alone?

[enoob57]

14 minutes ago, David1701 said:

You are not a teacher and you should not be trying to teach the Bible.

 

3 minutes ago, David1701 said:

What are you talking about?  I've not condemned anyone!  Quit the false accusations.

I think maybe you should reconsider your tone in this thread...

[David1701]

4 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Obviously, since you didn't finish my statement. You can deal with my

posts any way you want, it is an open forum and I am not offended at 

all, nor have a heard a single thing that I haven't heard before. 

If you are among the election, then serve the Lord, but just remember

that He did not come to condemn, but to save.

I simply find that you are condemning a lot of people that the scriptures do not. 

It's no wonder many have come to believe in this controversial Universal

Reconciliation doctrine. The doctrine of grace alone regardless

of how you lived your life is just as egregious.

Malachi 2:17 You have wearied the Lord with your words;
Yet you say,
“In what way have we wearied Him?”
In that you say,
“Everyone who does evil
Is good in the sight of the Lord,
And He delights in them,”
Or, “Where is the God of justice?”

You are repeatedly misrepresenting what I post.  I have NEVER posted (or believed) that salvation is "regardless of how you lived your life"!  That is a false teaching, promoted by a minority of freewillers (and I'm not one of those either), who believe in OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved).

I believe in POTS (Preservation/Perseverance of the Saints), which is the biblical doctrine that God preserves his chosen ones, causing them to persevere in the faith.  I also believe, because the Bible says so, that those who profess to be Christians, but live like the world, demonstrate thereby that they were never saved.

1 John 3:6-9 (ESV)

 6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
  7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
  8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
  9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

Edited January 25, 2023 by David1701

[enoob57]

18 minutes ago, David1701 said:

You have been shown, repeatedly, that the Holy Spirit's work in a person is necessary, in order for that person to be saved. 

The Scripture is the work of The Holy Spirit 
2 Timothy 3:15 (KJV)

[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[David1701]

6 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

 

I think maybe you should reconsider your tone in this thread...

I think that you are not the one to be making such statements, considering that you have been trying to fill an office for which you are entirely unsuited.  Some humility would be in order (and repentance), not a pretence of being on the moral high ground.

[David1701]

3 hours ago, enoob57 said:

The Scripture is the work of The Holy Spirit 
2 Timothy 3:15 (KJV)

[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

 

The Holy Spirit did (and does) much more than merely inspire the authors of the books of the Bible to write them!  He convicts of sin, righteousness and judgment to come, for example; something of which you appear to be completely unaware.

Edited January 25, 2023 by David1701
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