David vs Goliath Spiritual Warfare Lessons

[Elihoenai]

1 Samuel 17:20

20 And David rose up early in the morning, and left the sheep with a keeper, and took, and went, as Jesse had commanded him; and he came to the trench, as the host was going forth to the fight, and shouted for the battle.

David's occupation of being a Keeper of Sheep has a bearing on his Victory over Goliath. Abel is a Keeper of Sheep.  

What Spiritual Warfare lessons do you see?

[other one]

48 minutes ago, Elihoenai said:

1 Samuel 17:20

20 And David rose up early in the morning, and left the sheep with a keeper, and took, and went, as Jesse had commanded him; and he came to the trench, as the host was going forth to the fight, and shouted for the battle.

David's occupation of being a Keeper of Sheep has a bearing on his Victory over Goliath. Abel is a Keeper of Sheep.  

What Spiritual Warfare lessons do you see?

Know your weapons...

A few years ago some people I ran across decided to see how that sling David used would stand up against todays weapons.

Very long story short and bypassing a whole bunch of numbers it was found that the actual knockdown power of the sling David used was equal to a 45 Cal. automatic handgun.   Shocked us all.    And it was discovered that with someone of David's capabilities at 75 yards probably more accurate.

In spiritual warfare the main thing that one needs to know is that as humans we do not have any authority or power in the Spirit World.   If you are going to fight in that arena one must depend on what does.   The Hoy Spirit should be the driving force in your weapons on that Battlefield.   So the things that you would want to build up is whatever will build and strengthen ties to the Holy Spirit.   Faith, Trust and how you live your life.

[Elihoenai]

On 3/25/2022 at 12:19 PM, other one said:

Know your weapons...

A few years ago some people I ran across decided to see how that sling David used would stand up against todays weapons.

Very long story short and bypassing a whole bunch of numbers it was found that the actual knockdown power of the sling David used was equal to a 45 Cal. automatic handgun.   Shocked us all.    And it was discovered that with someone of David's capabilities at 75 yards probably more accurate.

In spiritual warfare the main thing that one needs to know is that as humans we do not have any authority or power in the Spirit World.   If you are going to fight in that arena one must depend on what does.   The Hoy Spirit should be the driving force in your weapons on that Battlefield.   So the things that you would want to build up is whatever will build and strengthen ties to the Holy Spirit.   Faith, Trust and how you live your life.

1 Samuel 17:50

50 So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David.

 

The Ancient Weapons are the Best and most Powerful weapons. These Ancient Weapons have been concealed by Enemies that work night and day to destroy Strong Overcoming Followers of Messiah/Christ.

[Elihoenai]

1 Samuel 16:12

12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the Lord said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he.

 

Ruddy = Red

Esau came out Red.

Given that Ruddy/Red is a common characteristic of Esau and David, why is Esau rejected and David accepted by Elohim/God? 

[other one]

because ruddy and red didn't have anything to do with it. God knew their hearts in the womb and it was their heart's relationship with him that caused the rejection of Esau.  It wasn't just giving up his birthright that was the problem, it was the base cause of that in that God wasn't that important to him.

With David, his heart was for God even though he was a terrible sinner in dealing with his desires for beauty.

[Jayne]

5 hours ago, Elihoenai said:

1 Samuel 16:12

12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the Lord said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he.

 

Ruddy = Red

Esau came out Red.

Given that Ruddy/Red is a common characteristic of Esau and David, why is Esau rejected and David accepted by Elohim/God? 

Esau, ruddy in color, was rejected because he despised the birthright.  The birthright was the right given to the oldest son to bear the responsibility of the family and even an extended family.  It was hard work and much obligation to duty was required.

Esau didn't give two hoots nor a holler about that.  The Bible says he, in fact, despised it.

But when it came time for the perks of the birthright, which was the blessings, he wanted THAT!  But it was too late.

David, ruddy in color, was the complete opposite. Even as an older boy, he was the ONLY one the Bible states that was offended enough by the blasphemies of Goliath against God and against God's people to do something about it.

King Saul just sat under a tree and his army was basically leaderless and frightened.

No man was taking up the hard job of the duty of the Jewish army to attack Goliath for his foul mouth against God and God's people.

King Saul and his men [because of King Saul] were all acting like Esau. 

David, with his sling shot, stepped up to defend the God of his faith.

Both men, Esau and David were ruddy.  The two men could not be any more opposite in nature.

 

[Elihoenai]

13 hours ago, other one said:

because ruddy and red didn't have anything to do with it. God knew their hearts in the womb and it was their heart's relationship with him that caused the rejection of Esau.  It wasn't just giving up his birthright that was the problem, it was the base cause of that in that God wasn't that important to him.

With David, his heart was for God even though he was a terrible sinner in dealing with his desires for beauty.

1) Do you agree that the problem with the Whole World is that they don't want to give up Esau?

2) Does David Conquer his desire for beauty in the journey to Elohim/God? If yes, do you have Scriptures that support this?

[Elihoenai]

13 hours ago, Jayne said:

Esau, ruddy in color, was rejected because he despised the birthright.  The birthright was the right given to the oldest son to bear the responsibility of the family and even an extended family.  It was hard work and much obligation to duty was required.

Esau didn't give two hoots nor a holler about that.  The Bible says he, in fact, despised it.

But when it came time for the perks of the birthright, which was the blessings, he wanted THAT!  But it was too late.

David, ruddy in color, was the complete opposite. Even as an older boy, he was the ONLY one the Bible states that was offended enough by the blasphemies of Goliath against God and against God's people to do something about it.

King Saul just sat under a tree and his army was basically leaderless and frightened.

No man was taking up the hard job of the duty of the Jewish army to attack Goliath for his foul mouth against God and God's people.

King Saul and his men [because of King Saul] were all acting like Esau. 

David, with his sling shot, stepped up to defend the God of his faith.

Both men, Esau and David were ruddy.  The two men could not be any more opposite in nature.

 

1 Samuel 17:9

9 If he be able to fight with me, and to kill me, then will we be your servants: but if I prevail against him, and kill him, then shall ye be our servants, and serve us.

 

Therefore, how do you measure that you are David or Esau? How did David attain a Heart towards Elohim/God? Are you doing the same as David to be counted on Elohim's/God's side in the Battle/War?

[Alive]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

Personally, I think two of the most critical verses in the whole account are 1 Samuel 16:11 and 1 Samuel 17:40. The first tells us the young David was considered a relative nobody and when it comes to things like battles and kings most people haven't a clue what God thinks or purposes. As the youngest of many brothers he wasn't summoned for consideration of Samuel's blessing. Sheep herding is amongst the lowest of jobs in that culture but it was a job God used to prepare David for everything else in his life. The second verse cited tells us David has extraordinary faith because as we read through the scriptures we discover Goliath had four brothers. Because of the rules allowing next of kin to seek retribution David was prepared to kill all five brothers, not just one giant. David had been mocked by his brothers, by the other soldiers and even the king who was more concerned about managing a lazy army than killing Philistines. He was a diminutive man physically; so small in physical stature Saul's armor could not be secured on his body (Saul likely knew it would not before he ever offered it). 

The story could be read as one of machismo but I read it as an account of one man who's faith in God was extraordinary. Slings were very common in David's day. They were the poor king's alternative to the bow and arrow and sling-throwers were well-trained and could be very accurate. other one is completely correct: that stone bore the force of a .45 caliber bullet. Modern day hunters all know that small caliber handgun rounds do not penetrate the skull of a bear. David killed bears with rocks. Once a person has done that he learns something about himself and those lessons become solidified with confidence each time another bear is struck dead with a rock slung from a sling. 

But David does not couch his resolve in his skill with the sling. 

1 Samuel 17:34-37
But David said to Saul, "Your servant was tending his father's sheep. When a lion or a bear came and took a lamb from the flock, I went out after him and attacked him, and rescued it from his mouth; and when he rose up against me, I seized him by his beard and struck him and killed him.  "Your servant has killed both the lion and the bear; and this uncircumcised Philistine will be like one of them, since he has taunted the armies of the living God." And David said, "The LORD who delivered me from the paw of the lion and from the paw of the bear, He will deliver me from the hand of this Philistine."

 

David went out to kill ALL the giants, one rock a piece, trusting in God for deliverance. 

 

 

 

Too bad David did not maintain that confidence and resolve until the end. The giants of hubris, lust and murder overtook him in the end. God remained faithful to David even when David was not faithful to God. 

And what a marvelous lesson this is for all in Christ and those who are drawn.

[Alive]

2 hours ago, Josheb said:

Spiritual warfare. 

 

Forgot to mention something very critical: it happens in time and space. It is NOT all "spiritual." The rock was physical. The sling was physical. The skull of Goliath was physical. Both the sword and the severed head were physical. 

All of it was part of a history recounting the means by which God would enter the world in human likeness and redeem us from sin. David killed one giant, came prepared to kill them all, and in so doing freed all of Israel for a time. Christ came, killed a giant and all its siblings, and freed all God's children for all eternity. 

 

In time and space. 

An excellent observation and connect to the nebulous dispentional view of the Kingdom being less than victorious.