Who is the Little Horn of Daniel 8? Can this be linked with the Little Horn in Daniel 7?

[truth7t7]

39 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

It says the little horn and the 10 horns come OUT of the beast. 

Please leave Revelation out of this for now. One tries to fit the same piece of the puzzle into both places at the same time. Major mistake. Just focus on Daniel. 

The beast, the 10 horns and the little horn ALL came to be before 530AD . This date simply represents the last of the 3 entities- the little horn (papacy) that took over power from pagan Rome. 

I KNOW you can not see this but this is why Daniel is so misinterpreted and can not YET be used to interpret Revelation. 

Charlie the scripture is very clear, (The Beast) will be killed and his "Body" that will be judged to the burning flame

This isnt a religious institution such as the RCC you suggest, this is a human man that's given the personal pronoun "His"

If it was a religious institution it would be feminine "Her"

Daniel 7:11AKJV

 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. 

Edited December 22, 2021 by truth7t7

[adamjedgar]

45 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

The Name Game

Just as the word (Trinity) isnt found in scripture, but we know well it represents the Father, Son, Holy Spirit

Just like the word (Rapture) dosent exist in scripture, but we know it represents the Catching Up

Once Again, Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) are all the same "Future" bad guy, that is represented by the words (The Antichrist)

if they are represented by the same person, how then can that "one" entity give power to someone else who is (as you say) himself?

The name game is what i think you are doing in trying to explain away what are very obvious facts that are well supported by the book of Daniel.

As Charlie says, everything must agree with the timeline and order of events given in Daniel chapter 2...even the subsequent chapters in the book of daniel. They all ellaborate on the overall picture given in the statue of chapter 2. There is not even the slightest room for movement on that model.

 

The only part of that model that is not specifically given is exactly how long the final period of time (illustrated by the feet of iron and clay that is then struck by the rock formed without hands) takes. Only the Father knows when this will be.

You use the words "catching up" for the rapture...i agree. This is exactly how the second coming is described..."we will meet the lord in the air". His feet will not touch the ground. 

I have an interesting question to ask those who believe also in the additional secret rapture...

which part of the coming of the messiah (for there are two listed in the bible) is the secret rapture...the first or the second?

Edited December 22, 2021 by adamjedgar

[truth7t7]

39 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

No. There are 3 separate entities. 

 

No, they are 3 separate entities.

We disagree, those seen below are all the same "Future" bad guy

Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) are all the same "Future" bad guy, that is represented by the words (The Antichrist)

Jesus Is The Lord

[truth7t7]

4 minutes ago, adamjedgar said:

if they are represented by the same person, how then can that "one" entity give power to someone else who is (as you say) himself?

The name game is what i think you are doing in trying to explain away what are very obvious facts that are well supported by the book of Daniel.

As Charlie says, everything must agree with the timeline and order of events given in Daniel chapter 2...even the subsequent chapters in the book of daniel. They all ellaborate on the overall picture given in the statue of chapter 2. There is not even the slightest room for movement on that model.

 

The only part of that model that is not specifically given is exactly how long the final period of time (illustrated by the feet of iron and clay that is then struck by the rock formed without hands) takes. Only the Father knows when this will be.

You use the words "catching up" for the rapture...i agree. This is exactly how the second coming is described..."we will meet the lord in the air". His feet will not touch the ground. 

I have an interesting question to ask those who believe also in the additional secret rapture...

which part of the coming of the messiah (for there are two listed in the bible) is the secret rapture...the first or the second?

Scripture clearly defines the (dragon/satan) as giving power to (The Beast) two separate entities 

Revelation 13 clearly describes (The Beast) with personal pronouns He, His, Him, a human man

Revelation 19:19-20 describes (The Beast) and (False Prophet) being cast alive/living into the lake of fire

Satan gives power and authority to (The Beast) not himself

I believe Satan will at one time dwell/possess the human body of (The Beast) but they are separate beings

The Dragon Gave "Him" Not "Himself"

Revelation 13:2KJV

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 

[truth7t7]

8 minutes ago, angels4u said:

Actually, I believe Babylon is futuristic, literal and will be a  rebuilt Babylon

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven hilled city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

[adamjedgar]

32 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Charlie the scripture is very clear, 

This isnt a religious institution such as the RCC you suggest, this is a human man that's given the personal pronoun "His"

If it was a religious institution it would be feminine "Her"

 

funny you should say that...a text immediately comes to mind...

 Revelation 18:4 has the phrase "come out of "her" my people!!! where and what do you think the "her" is in this passage of scripture?

The following are all quotes from Revelation 18

Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great!a "She" has become a lair for demons

All the nations have drunkc the wine of the passion of "her" immorality

The kings of the earth were immoral with "her"

the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy from the extravagance of "her" luxury

 

In fact, this is so very specifically talking about a "her", that gender is used 18 times in just 8 verses in this Chapter!!!

I think it is very much an institution...a religious one and not an invidividual as such. (there may be an individual at times manifested as the leader, but the real entity of the A/C is not a human individual its the devil himself!)

 

The reference in Revelation 18 is a parrallel with Exodus Chapter 3 vs 10. God calls his people out of captivity into the promised land!

7The LORD said, “I have indeed seen the affliction of My people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their oppressors, and I am aware of their sufferings. 8I have come down to rescue them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land to a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey—the home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites.

9And now the cry of the Israelites has reached Me, and I have seen how severely the Egyptians are oppressing them. 10Therefore, go! I am sending you to Pharaoh to bring My people the Israelites out of Egypt.”f

Now if we just simply look at those two things...

Captivity = in spiritual terms, we are captive to Satan and to Sin

Promised land = in Gentile terms, we modern christians are spiritual Israel. Why? because we are Gentiles were not the original chosen people. We have no historical birthright to that which was given to the Israelites, however, we do have a spiritual right to it and that is the key link here! 

We are being called out of this world of sin (the Her) into the promised land (which is heaven) by Him (The God of Heaven and Earth).

 

Edited December 22, 2021 by adamjedgar

[truth7t7]

21 minutes ago, adamjedgar said:

funny you should say that...a text immediately comes to mind...

 Revelation 18:4 has the phrase "come out of "her" my people!!! where and what do you think the "her" is in this passage of scripture?

The following are all quotes from Revelation 18

Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great!a "She" has become a lair for demons

All the nations have drunkc the wine of the passion of "her" immorality

The kings of the earth were immoral with "her"

the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy from the extravagance of "her" luxury

 

In fact, this is so very specifically talking about a "her", that gender is specifically used 18 times in just 8 verses in this Chapter!!!

 

The reference in Revelation 18 is a parrallel with Exodus Chapter 3 vs 10. God calls his people out of captivity into the promised land!

7The LORD said, “I have indeed seen the affliction of My people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their oppressors, and I am aware of their sufferings. 8I have come down to rescue them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land to a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey—the home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites.

9And now the cry of the Israelites has reached Me, and I have seen how severely the Egyptians are oppressing them. 10Therefore, go! I am sending you to Pharaoh to bring My people the Israelites out of Egypt.”f

Now if we just simply look at those two things...

Captivity = in spiritual terms, we are captive to Satan and to Sin

Promised land = in Gentile terms, we modern christians are spiritual Israel. Why? because we are Gentiles were not the original chosen people. We have no historical birthright to that which was given to the Israelites, however, we do have a spiritual right to it and that is the key link here! 

We are being called out of this world of sin (the Her) into the promised land (which is heaven) by Him (The God of Heaven and Earth).

 

I disagree with your claim of the "Her" being the world, the "Her" is Jerusalem the whore, mystery Babylon as described above the (Great City), Revelation 18:18, where Jesus Christ was crucified Revelation 11:8

She is dressed in purple,scarlet, gold, and precious stones, representing the Levitical Priesthood in Jerusalem, those seen are casting "Dust On Their Heads" Jews morning over Jerusalem destruction

 

Edited December 22, 2021 by truth7t7

[Charlie744]

38 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Charlie the scripture is very clear, (The Beast) will be killed and his "Body" that will be judged to the burning flame

This isnt a religious institution such as the RCC you suggest, this is a human man that's given the personal pronoun "His"

If it was a religious institution it would be feminine "Her"

Daniel 7:11AKJV

 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. 

Truth... I would kindly ask you to STOP.... take a nice breath and look at every post I made regarding the little horn.... I have always said it is a man and he will rule over the papacy (he is the pope). The beast is a separate entity... the 10 horns are a separate group.  Do you remember me saying there are 3 entities in Daniel 7.

Once again, you and perhaps 2.3 billion (1.3 billion catholics and 1.0 billion christians) can not leave Revelation alone .... UNTIL DANIEL is properly interpreted, Revelation should be kept on the shelf. Now, when one is satisfied they have interpreted Daniel correctly, these interpretations will fit very nices in Revelation where they will greatly / greatly / greatly interpret Revelation.

Charlie

 

[Charlie744]

41 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

We disagree, those seen below are all the same "Future" bad guy

Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) are all the same "Future" bad guy, that is represented by the words (The Antichrist)

Jesus Is The Lord

I asked if you would kindly stay within Daniel... that is the book that must be interpreted before any book (prophetic) or verse in the NT.

Stay in chapter 7 ONLY and what does that tell you... 3 separate entities. The fact that  you may not see how they can and will agree with those NT verses (yet) does not allow you to ignore the 3 entities in 7. You are allowing those NT verses to determine what Daniel 7 is telling us because you (not you specifically) are unable to see how the 3 move forward into the NT - specifically Revelation.

[truth7t7]

4 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Truth... I would kindly ask you to STOP.... take a nice breath and look at every post I made regarding the little horn.... I have always said it is a man and he will rule over the papacy (he is the pope). The beast is a separate entity... the 10 horns are a separate group.  Do you remember me saying there are 3 entities in Daniel 7.

Once again, you and perhaps 2.3 billion (1.3 billion catholics and 1.0 billion christians) can not leave Revelation alone .... UNTIL DANIEL is properly interpreted, Revelation should be kept on the shelf. Now, when one is satisfied they have interpreted Daniel correctly, these interpretations will fit very nices in Revelation where they will greatly / greatly / greatly interpret Revelation.

Charlie

 

And I will state again, the horn and the beast seen in Daniel 7:11 are the same entity, a human man, and the beast will be a Jew/Hebrew in decent as Daniel 11:37 clearly shows, his fathers worshipped the true Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)