Who is the Little Horn of Daniel 8? Can this be linked with the Little Horn in Daniel 7?

[adamjedgar]

12 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

The beast is the same as the 4th kingdom in chapter 2. Just as with the other kingdoms each kingdom in 2 is the same kingdom in 7 & 8.

In 7 there is a:

1) beast, 

2) out of this beast comes 10 horns,

3) then another little horn comes out of the beast but has eyes like a man.

Three separate entities- can not possibly be the same.

The little horn is the little horn- no mention he is the AC (which is why I asked to consider Daniel ONLY), and not bring in this AC figure that is mentioned in Revelation. 

Regarding 9:27- the ‘he’ is ‘He’, the Messiah- this misinterpretation was the work of the same little horn (RCC). 

Yep I think this too.  With the addition that the manifestation of the A/C happens in the time of the feet of iron and clay...although I believe Charly is right it's not stated in Daniel. We make to connection when moving forward into the book of Revelation. (Which is usually studied with Daniel).

I am of the opinion, like Charly says, one can't go straight to Revelation...it does one's head in.

I differ a little though in that I believe a deep understanding of the Sanctuary is vital before even starting the book of Daniel 

Edited December 22, 2021 by adamjedgar

[Charlie744]

1 minute ago, adamjedgar said:

Yep I think this too.  With the addition that the manifestation of the A/C happens in the time of the feet of iron and clay...although I believe Charly is right it's not stated in Daniel.

When is the time of the feet and the clay and who or what are they?

Charlie

[truth7t7]

13 minutes ago, adamjedgar said:

Yes good thoughts, however, there is a fundamental problem with your interpretation that needs clarifying...God is described using those same words throughout the Bible (He, Him, I Am, etc) and yet there is strong debate over whether or not he has a body like ours ( most claim he is spirit).

So that is not an argument in favour of the A/C being human. What it does describe is the way he manifests or reveals himself.

The bottom line...the A/C is Satan himself. This is the Bible teaching...I think we are arguing over scraps here. I think we all agree Satan is top dog of the future A/C narrative.

Scripture clearly defines the (dragon/satan) as giving power to (The Beast) two separate entities 

Revelation 13 clearly describes (The Beast) with personal pronouns He, His, Him, a human man

Revelation 19:19-20 describes (The Beast) and (False Prophet) being cast alive/living into the lake of fire

Satan gives power and authority to (The Beast) not himself

I believe Satan will at one time dwell/possess the human body of (The Beast) but they are separate beings

The Dragon Gave "Him" Not "Himself"

Revelation 13:2KJV

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 

Edited December 22, 2021 by truth7t7

[adamjedgar]

If I were to keep my answer short and simple...

A time where no one world power dominates...some are strong, some brittle. They will not unify anymore than clay mixes with iron.

I would argue that is the time we are currently living in ...realistically the time since the pagan Roman Empire broke up a few centuries after Christ.

Edited December 22, 2021 by adamjedgar

[adamjedgar]

6 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Scripture clearly defines the (dragon/satan) as giving power to (The Beast) two separate entities 

Revelation 13 clearly describes (The Beast) with personal pronouns He, His, Him, a human man

Revelation 19:19-20 describes (The Beast) and (False Prophet) being cast alive/living into the lake of fire

Satan gives power and authority to (The Beast) not himself

I believe Satan will at one time dwell/possess the human body of (The Beast) but they are separate beings

The Dragon Gave "Him" Not "Himself"

Revelation 13:2KJV

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 

 

You mention the beast and the false prophet...which one is the A/C?

 

I believe what Charly is saying...

 if the visions in Daniel are speaking of the then future powers being kingdoms... Where do you suddenly get humans from in those visions Daniel received?

Edited December 22, 2021 by adamjedgar

[truth7t7]

29 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

The beast is the same as the 4th kingdom in chapter 2. Just as with the other kingdoms each kingdom in 2 is the same kingdom in 7 & 8.

In 7 there is a:

1) beast, 

2) out of this beast comes 10 horns,

3) then another little horn comes out of the beast but has eyes like a man.

Three separate entities- can not possibly be the same.

The little horn is the little horn- no mention he is the AC (which is why I asked to consider Daniel ONLY), and not bring in this AC figure that is mentioned in Revelation. 

Regarding 9:27- the ‘he’ is ‘He’, the Messiah- this misinterpretation was the work of the same little horn (RCC). 

Charlie you cant work around the fact that the final judgement is taking place below, the horn speaking is the beast, and his "Body" will be given to the burning flame, The parallel teaching is seen in Revelation 19:20

Daniel 7:9-11AKJV

 9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. 11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Daniel 7:11 & Revelation 19:20 same bad guy, same "Future" event in parallel teachings

Revelation 19:20AKJV

 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Edited December 22, 2021 by truth7t7

[adamjedgar]

3 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Charlie you cant work around the fact that the final judgement is taking place below, the horn speaking is the beast, and his "Body" will be given to the burning flame, The parallel teaching is seen in Revelation 19:19-20

Daniel 7:9-11AKJV

 9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. 11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Daniel 7:11 & Revelation 19:20 same bad guy, same event in parallel teachings

Revelation 19:20AKJV

 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

This is an interesting response...I could read the 1844 SDA Investigative Judgement into this.

Are you thinking of converting?

Edited December 22, 2021 by adamjedgar

[truth7t7]

11 minutes ago, adamjedgar said:

 

You mention the beast and the false prophet...which one is the A/C?

 

I believe what Charly is saying...

 if the visions in Daniel are speaking of the then future powers being kingdoms... Where do you suddenly get humans from in those visions Daniel received?

Once Again, Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) are all the same "Future" bad guy, that is represented by the words (The Antichrist)

Daniel 7:11 (the horn) speaking and (the beast) are the same guy, and his body is given to the burning flame, Revelation 19:20 is a parallel teaching of the same "Future" event

Jesus Is The Lord

Edited December 22, 2021 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

9 minutes ago, adamjedgar said:

This is an interesting response...I could read the 1844 SDA Investigative Judgement into this.

Are you thinking of converting?

You mean the Ellen G. White, 7th Day Adventist investigative judgement, that was created after the great disappointment in the false prediction of the second coming of Jesus Christ

Do you really believe Ellen G White had 2,000+ dreams and visions given by God?

I dont follow Ellen G. White or 7th Day Adventism, but the 10 commandments are alive and well, including the 7th day sabbath that I follow

Jesus Is The Lord

[adamjedgar]

10 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Once Again, Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) are all the same "Future" bad guy, that is represented by the words (The Antichrist)

Daniel 7:11 (the horn) speaking and (the beast) are the same guy, and his body is given to the burning flame, Revelation 19:20 is a parallel teaching of the same "Future" event

Jesus Is The Lord

1 John 4:3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

 

If he is a man...then he is clearly 2000 years old!