Thou shalt conceive and bear a son...or not?

[Your closest friendnt]

5 hours ago, appy said:

No where in my post did I say, that sin is the only thing passed and nothing else. I'm fully aware that Adam passed on more than just sin. I did not think I needed to go into every little nitty gritty, teeny-weeny , minute detail and write a thesis or long never ending book on the subject, nor did I think it was necessary to torture everyone with a wall of scripture in order to give input. I simply wanted to summarize a point.

Is the word trinity in the bible? Of coarse not. But the concept and teaching is. One God who eternally exists as three distinct Persons — the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And it comes from a collection of scriptures as a whole from the bible correct? Both from the OT and the NT. Just the same, with regard to Adam being the representative of the human race.

Nobody disputes that husbands have the role of leadership over their families. This is clearly demonstrated in scripture. Adam is clearly presented as both progenitor and representative of all mankind in the NT. God set the bar in Genesis. Scripture makes it clear that sin and death entered the world through Adam, and thus he is to blame for original sin even though Eve also sinned.

1 Corinthians 15:21-22
For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive

Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

Romans 5:15-19
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many! 16Again, the gift is not like the result of the one man’s sin: The judgment that followed one sin brought condemnation, but the gift that followed many trespasses brought justification. 17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive an abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!  18So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Notice in the above scriptures that it does NOT say sin entered through one man and one woman. Even though Eve sinned before Adam. It is demonstrated in Genesis that Adam had the role of leadership not Eve. God did not question Eve first, but Adam.

 

Paul is not homing in on individual sins, but states over and over again that it is because of one sin that death and condemnation belong to us all. In other words, we are connected to Adam such that his one sin is regarded as our sin and we are worthy of condemnation for it. We are made sinners by the sin of Adam. Due to his disobedience, we are regarded as sinners. Since "made sinners" is paralleled with "made righteous," it must also be referring to imputation. Thus, Paul is saying that we are all made sinners in the sense that we are imputed with Adam's sin.

As for sin being a physical object,

The bible itself, through collective scripture, not a stand alone verse describes sin as any action, deed, word or thought that is contrary to God's will and character. The word “deed”, by definition is an action that is performed intentionally or consciously. A deed is not a person, it is an action. Even though the word “deed” is a noun, it describes a “physical action” and “physical action”which in itself becomes a descriptive noun so to speak. Inanimate objects such as a desk or chair, are physical and tangible things and called nouns too, but neither have a heart and mind that can disobey God. The bible teaches that sin originates in the heart and mind and flows outward through actions and deeds. A person in this sense is said to be a sinner, because his deeds and actions are sinful. Because sinful actions are against God's will and character.

 

There is a lot in your post, and there are some questions to be asked. 

Both Abel and Cain were in the presence of God and so were Adam and Eve, and all of them in the knowledge of good and evil. 

We can tell that because God was in a relationship with them...and they were in his presence when God went to them.

That does not mean that they were in his presence when they wanted to be in his presence but only when God came to them to where they were. Only during that time.

They were not separated from the presence of God. 

The knowledge of what is good and what is evil is not a sin. 

God did not called sinner anyone of them. 

Both Abel and Cain were born outside the Garden 

There is no mention of sin while Abel was still alive. 

The first time sin is mentioned is mentioned from God to Cain telling him that Sin is knocking at your door and wants to have you but you must fight it of. 

Did not Abel died clean of sin?

Edited October 29, 2021 by Your closest friendnt