Is marrying a divorcee biblical?

[Desopixi Seilynam]

8 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Then I encourage you to re-read those verses because they are reports of sin, not sinlessness. 

Genesis 24:67 is not a report of sin.

Exodus 22:16 is part of the Torah, part of the law, the rule that states:
If you lie with a woman you shall surely endow her to be your wife.

And sin is transgression against the law. 1 John 3:4

Therefore to have sex before the ceremony is not a transgression against the law,
the law allows for sex before the ceremony: Exodus 22:16.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Desopixi Seilynam
3:4 not 4:3

[Desopixi Seilynam]

Just now, Josheb said:

You are wrong. Yes, the law required a man to "endow her to be his wife" after having sex with her because he was not supposed to be having sex with her out of wedlock. It is sinful. Sin is not only "transgression against the law". That is an error of "onlyism." Stems from proof-texting a single verse and defining an entire doctrine by that one verse in neglect of all that scripture says on the matter. SSin is also any unrighteousness. Sin is also anything not done in faith. 

Yes, sex before marriage is sin and that is why marriage was required. 

And, Deso, the marriage ceremony is an act of commitment. Those who do not marry are implicitly saying "I do not love you enough to marry," not the other way around. 

 

Please show me any scripture that states that having sex 'out of wedlock' is a sin.

Fornication as defined by scripture is found in Leviticus 18.
And Exodus 22:16 deals with sex before marriage,
denoting that it is lawful so long as commitment also happens.

And what did I say dear one?

""Sex without any intention of being forever committed to the person is a sin.
Therefore if the true intention is to be forever committed,
then there is no reason to not go through with a marriage ceremony.""

The ceremony is an act of commitment, but it does not produce commitment,
it is just a ceremony. Commitment is commitment and it is produced by sincere love for one another, which stems from the heart not from a ceremony.

Those staying together forever demonstrate and prove their love and commitment,
whether they had a ceremony or not.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

Just now, Josheb said:

perhaps it will be helpful to consider the alternative of the law. If a man has sex with a woman he must marry her. Why? If sex before marriage is not sinful then why must they marry? 

They must marry to signify their union,
their sexual union must be made public such that other men and woman
are not mistaken about them.

[Hopefully]

“Here are ladies of honor, daughters of kings. Your bride stands at your right side, wearing a gown decorated with the finest gold. My lady, listen to me. Listen carefully and understand me. Forget your people and your father’s family, so that the king will be pleased with your beauty. He will be your new husband, so you must honor him. People from Tyre will bring you gifts. Their richest people will try to win your friendship. The princess is so beautiful in her gown, like a pearl set in gold. Clothed in beauty, she is led to the king, followed by her bridesmaids. Filled with joy and excitement, they enter into the king’s palace.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭45:9-15‬ ‭

[Desopixi Seilynam]

Just now, Josheb said:

What "union"? All they done is had sex! 

? Sex is the union. All they did is have sex? ?
Sex is the union, literally and spiritually.

Let me state it in another way, the sex itself is the marriage, as far as God is concerned, therefore the two are not to part and there should be a public marriage as well.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

3 minutes ago, Josheb said:

I had sex with this woman so now she's mine so you can't have her? Look up the word "chattel."

That's exactly right, a virgin is supposed to forever stay with the man that took her virginity. She is his and he is hers, her body belongs to him and his body belongs to her and no one else. Yes indeed.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

11 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Prove it. 

You already know what sex is, literally there is a union, a joining of the flesh.
And literally a child, one new flesh from the two, is produced.

 

11 minutes ago, Josheb said:

The word "marry" means "to join." A person can become engaged in an instant. A person can become wed in ten minutes. It takes an entire life to to marry.  Married folks, please testify to this fact.

Ok then, so they are supposed to wait a lifetime before having sex?

No I am not married, and it has been seven years since I had sex,
I have been set free from fornication by the Holy Spirit.
I do not even masturbate.

 

""If they marry then he is not taking anything. He is taking that which is not his when he does so prior to marriage. ""

 

Virginity is a physical state, there is bleeding and other physical things that happen to a female when first having sex.
And the fact that she did not have sex before is also lost once she losses her virginity, that is taken from her. 
The law states that once that happens the man is supposed to marry that girl.

Clearly the law allows for enticement of a maid that is not betrothed. 

If you entice a maid and lie with her, you shall surely endow her to be your wife. Exodus 22:16

 

 

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[Desopixi Seilynam]

1 minute ago, Josheb said:

Now, have you got proof for your claim or not?

My claim that sex is a union?

The two join in physical union, yes? You did not deny that,
for it is obvious that the sex itself is a physical union.
So your arguing that it is not a spiritual union? Ok fine.

But it certainly is a physical union, and that is enough to back up my point concerning the union, it must be made public such that others are not mistaken.

We should be able to agree that those in sincere love should have no problem
going through with marriage.
 

Two virgins who have had sex, should get married, they should not feel guilty,
they should simply get married. Advising them to separate because of the 'pre-marital' sex is transgression, for the law states that they are to marry.

I'm not here to keep going back and forth, I find no pleasure in arguing.

 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

12 minutes ago, Josheb said:

the lack of scripture

Read back dear one and see who has posted scripture.

 

""Is she love for who she is, or is she loved because she has a vagina. Was she married because he got to have sex, or did they marry because he truly valued her above all others and committed to continue valuing her above even himself? ""

But if he stays married and committed to her,
what is the problem?

If they married just because he got to have sex,
eventually he would most likely get bored with her
and seek sex with another.

But if he had sex with her and married her because he loves her, then he would stay committed to her forever.

 

"" when the facts of life show premarital sex highly correlated to future divorce - highly correlated to a lack of commitment ""

By facts of life, you don't mean scripture.

Genesis 24:67 Isaac and Rebekka had sex before the marriage.
Exodus 22:16 permits sex before the marriage.

Sex with more than one person before marriage will surely lead to temptation. But two virgins who stay with only each other would not know such temptation.

 

12 minutes ago, Josheb said:

The Biblical laws, Laws, and directives governing sexual activity were, in part, designed to protect women from sexual exploitation. They also limit sexually transmitted disease.

Correct.

If you entice a maid that is not betrothed, and have sex with her,
you shall surely endow her to be your wife. Exodus 22:16

The Biblical laws allow for sex before endowment.

The whole point is that once you have sex with someone,
then that should be the only someone you ever have sex with. Yes?

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[Desopixi Seilynam]

@Josheb

We should be able to agree:

The whole point is that once you have sex with someone,
then that should be the only someone you ever have sex with. Yes?

Edited July 12, 2021 by Desopixi Seilynam