Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, NConly said:

 garee said:

You said"Jesus IS God.  God's Son, in fact.

Jesus cannot be God if he is the son .

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And I showed him the Bible SAYS Jesus is the Son of God.

[The Light]

11 hours ago, transmogrified said:

I am not saying pre trib is right by having only the saints from Pentecost to before the tribulation...I am saying Pre trib is wrong because all the saints from all time can not come back according to pre trib...

And I am agreeing with you here.

11 hours ago, transmogrified said:

 

not that that is a good thing...it is a bad thing because according to scripture all the saints will come back with Jesus...I do not agree there is also a rapture when it like the days of Lot..that is false...there is only one resurrection / rapture for all the dead and living saints of all time..

There is a rapture at the 6th seal and it is not the pre trib rapture of the Church.

11 hours ago, transmogrified said:

 

.pre trib  misleads people into a false hope of being caught up before the tribulation...that is false...it will never happen.

It will happen for those that are watching and ready.

Luke 21

6 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

[The Light]

11 hours ago, transmogrified said:

There is only one harvest at the end of this age...the wheat and tares grow up together until the end of the age and at that time both are harvested...there is not two harvests...Jesus said he would gather into his barn the wheat and that the tares would be burned at the end of THIS age...this is the harvest at the 7th trumpet in which the dead are judged and the righteous of all ages are rewarded......two false raptures do not correct one false rapture.

There is a barley harvest when the dead in Christ rise.

There is a wheat harvest when the alive that remained.

There is a fruit harvest at the 6th seal where the righteous are raptured and the unrighteous are cast into the wrath of God.

Revelation 14

14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

And there is a judgement at the 7th trumpet.

[The Light]

11 hours ago, transmogrified said:

Our gathering together unto him happens at the second coming on the day of the Lord...this is not a 2nd harvest...this is the one and only harvest of the wheat and the tares and takes place at the end of this age...not at the 6th seal, not before the tribulation, not both of them combined..but one singular resurrection for all believers at one singular last trump on one singular last day

The gathering from heaven and earth before the days of the Lord takes place at the 6th seal. The 7th seal is the wrath of God.

Here is the gathering at the 6th seal.

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

[The Light]

11 hours ago, transmogrified said:

God has one bride that comes down out of heaven...she consists of both the old and new testament saints. The angel told John to come hither and he would show John the bride, the lamb's wife...He saw ONE BRIDE, consisting of both old and new testament saints...12 foundations for the 12 apostles and 12 gates for Israel...She comes down only one time and that is the second coming when he comes with ALL HIS SAINTS

The second coming occurs at the 6th seal. It is the gathering when Jesus sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. All eyes will see the coming of the Lord but He remains in the clouds. This happens immediately after the tribulation and BEFORE the wrath of God

The second advent happens at the end of Wrath when Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives.

[DeighAnn]

21 minutes ago, The Light said:

The second coming occurs at the 6th seal

If this DOESN'T HAPPEN at the 6th seal 

until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

but the 2nd coming comes, WHEN does it take place?  

[NConly]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

And I showed him the Bible SAYS Jesus is the Son of God.

Sorry I have following and reading but I must have missed that verse being posted. did not mean to but in.

[NConly]

2 hours ago, The Light said:

And I am agreeing with you here.

There is a rapture at the 6th seal and it is not the pre trib rapture of the Church.

It will happen for those that are watching and ready.

Luke 21

6 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

I thought the saint before Pentecost were of Israel, dealt with by God the Father. And the church are separate group dealt with by Jesus.

[Marathoner]

6 hours ago, garee said:

Hi again thanks for the reply

There is no other meaning then what appears it's not a parable.  Whosoever does the will of God the same is the Son on man Jesus's brother and sister and mother .

The bride of Christ made up of sons of God Jesus the first born again of many.

She the bride the church is called the mother of us all .What we will be when we receive our new incorruptible body is not revealed .There will be no procreating, no aging leading toward death . . 

When Jesus said a man (creation ) must be born again as a new creature he was not excusing his own flesh and blood .

Call no man on earth father the spiritual family of God many gods as sons of God 

You said"Jesus IS God.  God's Son, in fact.

Jesus cannot be God if he is the son . The ministry is two working by one. . the Son seen. .  empowered by the father not seen 

The faithless Pharisees accused the Son of man Jesus of blasphemy declaring a mere man claiming to be God.  Jesu as the firstborn again of many gods as sons .

John 10:34-36 King James Version Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods,(plural small g)  unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

 

I posted a friendly advisory to you and @FreeGrace to take this  argument to a different topic. Neither one of you are discussing the pre trib rapture. 

[Michael37]

6 hours ago, garee said:

Jesus cannot be God if he is the son .

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