Mt.12:40 - Three days and three nights

[BlindSeeker]

11 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

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■ In each Jewish day the dawn of the day takes place about 11 hours after the day began at sunset. In the spring season. And then within 30 minutes the sun rises. 

In each day in spring we first have the night from sunset to sunrise. This is the first part of each day that includes the night. The second part of each day it has no night at all. It is only daytime. From sunrise to sunset. 

 ■  The dawn of a new day.

(idiomatic) A new beginning; a fresh start; an important, promising turning point. synonym ▲quotations ▼ Synonym: new dawn.

https://en.wiktionary.org › wiki

dawn of a new day - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

■ What is considered dawn of the day?

Dawn is the time of morning when the Sun is 6° below the horizon.

Respectively, dusk occurs when the Sun is 6° below the horizon in the evening. Sunrise is the time when the first part of the Sun becomes visible in the morning at a given location.

All your points are acknowledged, but I cannot for several reasons embrace them as applicable to Matthew’s account of the timing of “Mary Magdalene and the other Mary [going] to see the sepulcher.”

The Greek word in question, <epiphosko>, is only used 2 times in scripture, Matthew 39:1 and Luke 23:54, both in relation to Jesus Christ's burial and/or resurrection. Your points asserting its usage as being "when the Sun is 6° below the horizon" and about to rise, just how does that work with the latter verse?

Luke 23:44 ¶ And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. 45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst. 46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost… 23:52 This man went unto Pilate and begged the body of Jesus. 53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulcher that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. 54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on <epiphosko>.

Do you believe Jesus was buried just prior to sunset, and then rose before sunrise? Wouldn’t that mean there would be more night segments than day segments?

Or do you believe Jesus was on the cross all day and night, and then buried before “dawn” of the Sabbath day? Because if Jesus resurrection was indeed in the morning, then wouldn’t it necessitate His also being buried before morning in order to have equal segments of day and night.

But still, how can Good Friday fit within the prophecy, “three days and three nights?” Is the prophecy wrong? How many segments of night and day was Jonah in the fish, because that is the duration Jesus said would be the sign?

Here are the options, so which is it –

1.     Buried before night¹ then day, then another complete night²/day, and another complete night³/day, then the resurrection before the start of another night⁴? Or –

2.     Buried before night¹ then day, then another complete night², then the resurrection before the start of another day? Or -

3.     You define it for me… without altering the prophecy “three days and three nights.”

What I do know is that the scripture definitely states it was <de opse>, “in the end of the Sabbath,” and not after the Sabbath that the two Mary’s went to see the sepulcher.

<de opse> - late in the day; by extension, after the close of the day: (at) even, in the end.

Lev 23:5 - In the fourteenth day of the first month at even <`ereb> is the LORD'S Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day [at even] of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

<`ereb> - dusk: even(-ing, tide), night.

Just because the translators (who having various theological opinions yet had to agree on each verse translation/transliteration) agreed to the English word “dawn” does not mean they all thought the timing was "when the Sun is 6° below the horizon" and about to rise. For IMHO that is certainly not the timing in their mind when they translated it “drew on” in reference to the haste of Jesus’ burial.

If God defined each day as “evening and day,” meaning night/darkness first, then day/light, each being from sunset to sunset, why would anyone change it, except of course if it doesn’t fit their theology? But biblically, there is first darkness, then light -

Ge 1:2 - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.  4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.  5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Ge 1:8 - And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Ge 1:13 - And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Ge 1:19 - And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Ge 1:23 -And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Ge 1:31 - And God saw everything that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Ge 2:2 - And on the seventh day God ended His work which he had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made.  3 And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.

 

 

Edited June 8, 2024 by BlindSeeker

[tim_from_pa]

On 6/6/2024 at 11:51 AM, BlindSeeker said:

I know this is 3 years old... but I appreciate your posts, and agree. The significance of Jesus being crucified "in the midst of the week" has prophetic significance.

"...another key truth that aids in rightly interpreting Daniel 9:27 where is states “and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.”  Not only was this in the midst of the millennial week on during the fourth millennial day when Jesus Christ was born, or the seven-year week which at the end of three and a half years when He died and raised again, but also on the fourth day of the seven-day week when He was crucified.  

For centuries there has been much confusion when people try to reason the differences in the accounts of Jesus’ resurrection as recorded in the four Gospels. Certainly, the fact that they all tell unique perspectives of the resurrection and various events doesn’t help. Perhaps, a good way to consider their seemingly different reports is to view them like transparent overlays, similar to the ones we have seen in books showing the human skeleton, then the nerves and blood vessels, organs, muscular details and finally the skin and hair.  

Similarly, the Gospels each have their place in reporting the different events which occurred around the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The fact that these different events, which at times may seem contradictory, are recorded in God’s word verifies their accuracy. Therefore, the logical answer to the confusion is to recognize that there were multiple trips being made to the tomb, each being recorded in their own Gospel account.  

The best way to determine the possible order of these trips to the tomb is to consider the different details that have been given about the time of day and light of the sun. Was the sun going down or coming up? These questions are actually quite easy to answer. However, we must remember that the Sabbath, like all the other biblical days, began and ended with sundown. "

 

Here's an article I once wrote called "Trips to the Tomb" 
 and a chart I created - 

Your chart is very good.  That's how I always understood the timing of events and the 3 days and 3 nights. I think one of the issues with understanding such timing (and this is not the only one) is due to the fact that the Gentiles used a different calendar than the one the Lord gave to Israel, and misunderstandings ensued. However, I am noticing a trend where churches are coming back to the Sabbaths and yearly Sabbaths/feasts at least in the context of understanding the prophetic picture in them and God's plan for the redemption of mankind.

[Your closest friendnt]

@BlindSeeker @tim_from_pa 

Did Jesus arose on the third day.

Did the events that took place in Luke 24:   took place on the same day Jesus Christ was risen from the dead? 

■ Luke 24: 19:23 on the road to Emmaus. 

 19 “About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 

20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel.

 And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.

 22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23 but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 

but they did not see Jesus.”

 

 Luke 24: 44:49 it is about Jesus talking to the disciples at his first appearance to them in the room. 

44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 

47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”

Edited June 8, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[BlindSeeker]

On 6/8/2024 at 10:57 AM, tim_from_pa said:

...I think one of the issues with understanding such timing (and this is not the only one) is due to the fact that the Gentiles used a different calendar than the one the Lord gave to Israel, and misunderstandings ensued. However, I am noticing a trend where churches are coming back to the Sabbaths and yearly Sabbaths/feasts at least in the context of understanding the prophetic picture in them and God's plan for the redemption of mankind.

True, but sadly the tendency with men in their zeal to return to truth is to be overwhelmed by their zealousness, and, like a pendulum, often to be carried by their momentum past the truth, into erring on the other side of it. The quest is to become “steadfast,” and "rooted and grounded in truth" and not to be "tossed to and fro" from extreme to extreme.

We must learn to recognize all prophecy, whether in word or through the prophetic action of the Old Covenant mandates, as a divine directing and pointing to Christ for the accomplishment of His purpose. The successful quest for truth in understanding of the feasts and high Sabbaths is to recognize and embrace the end of which God has for His people, even oneness with Him and each other through spiritual illumination and our complete sanctification.

Nonetheless, the feasts and high Sabbath were never meant to be anything more than fundamental lessons to teach humanity and to draw them to the richness of God’s love, mercies, and grace which can only be found and experienced through acknowledging Christ in all His glory and power, and to humbly accept Him as ones all and all. As the Bible reading person should know, obedience to God as our Sovereign is better than sacrifice.

Thus, the only virtue today to be gained in the feasts and high Sabbaths is not in the keeping of them, nor the ignoring them as being dead works, but to understand through them the faithfulness of God in them, for through them we can still learn the valuable lessons of our personal poverty of spirit without Christ, and of the grace and mercies available to us daily, as well as the boundless riches forever to be received in Him.

Galatians 4:9-11 - But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

Without knowing and being known by God, and hearing what His Spirit is saying to His people, and truly enjoying fellowship with the Father and His Son Jesus Christ, all religion is only vain observations and empty rituals, and about as rewarding as reading a recipe and yet never making the food, or as filling as merely looking at food on a menu compared to partaking of the meal itself. It is merely a continuation of darkness and not light in the hearts of men.

Stay blessable...

[BlindSeeker]

23 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@BlindSeeker @tim_from_pa 

Did Jesus arose on the third day.

Jesus did indeed rise on the third day.

 

23 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@BlindSeeker @tim_from_pa

Did the events that took place in Luke 24:   took place on the same day Jesus Christ was risen from the dead? Scripture says they did.

Scripture clearly says the events occur on the same day.

May I ask what is your point?

Are you refuting something, and adding a point? I understand what you have written, just not why you wrote it...

Why are you asking your questions?

Edited June 9, 2024 by BlindSeeker

[tim_from_pa]

18 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

True, but sadly the tendency with men in their zeal to return to truth is to be overwhelmed by their zealousness, and, like a pendulum, often to be carried by their momentum past the truth, into erring on the other side of it. The quest is to become “steadfast,” and "rooted and grounded in truth" and not to be "tossed to and fro" from extreme to extreme.

We must learn to recognize all prophecy, whether in word or through the prophetic action of the Old Covenant mandates, as a divine directing and pointing to Christ for the accomplishment of His purpose. The successful quest for truth in understanding of the feasts and high Sabbaths is to recognize and embrace the end of which God has for His people, even oneness with Him and each other through spiritual illumination and our complete sanctification.

Nonetheless, the feasts and high Sabbath were never meant to be anything more than fundamental lessons to teach humanity and to draw them to the richness of God’s love, mercies, and grace which can only be found and experienced through acknowledging Christ in all His glory and power, and to humbly accept Him as ones all and all. As the Bible reading person should know, obedience to God as our Sovereign is better than sacrifice.

Thus, the only virtue today to be gained in the feasts and high Sabbaths is not in the keeping of them, nor the ignoring them as being dead works, but to understand through them the faithfulness of God in them, for through them we can still learn the valuable lessons of our personal poverty of spirit without Christ, and of the grace and mercies available to us daily, as well as the boundless riches forever to be received in Him.

Galatians 4:9-11 - But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

Without knowing and being known by God, and hearing what His Spirit is saying to His people, and truly enjoying fellowship with the Father and His Son Jesus Christ, all religion is only vain observations and empty rituals, and about as rewarding as reading a recipe and yet never making the food, or as filling as merely looking at food on a menu compared to partaking of the meal itself. It is merely a continuation of darkness and not light in the hearts of men.

Stay blessable...

Yes, and as I always say, there are extreme ends to the swing of the pendulum.  But as we Sir Isaac Newton types say, the extreme end of the swing is all potential energy (perhaps just talk).  It's best to stay more in the middle (as the Bible would say not to turn to the right hand or the left) and in the middle is all the kinetic energy - the energy of motion and "doing", not just talk. 

[Your closest friendnt]

On 6/9/2024 at 1:59 PM, BlindSeeker said:

Jesus did indeed rise on the third day.

 

Scripture clearly says the events occur on the same day.

May I ask what is your point?

Are you refuting something, and adding a point? I understand what you have written, just not why you wrote it...

Why are you asking your questions?

Thank you for your response. That have help many people. It clarify a lot of things. The next thing is to identify the day before the third day and that will give us the day that all these things happen. Which is the day that Jesus Christ suffered and was Crusified and died and his body was put to the tomb by the disciple of Arimanthea. 

   John 19:41 At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid. 

John 19:42  Because it was the Jewish day of Preparation and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there. 

■ Jesus was raised on the third day and the first day was the Jewish day of preparation. 

The preparation day for the 1st of the four yearly High Day Sabbaths. Which is falls on 1st day of the Unleavened Bread Holidays the 15th of Nisan which follows the Passover feast which all the time the 14th of Nissan. And by default the 14th of Nissan is the Passover feast Day which is also the preparation day for the High Day that follows the 15th which is the First Day of the Unleavened Bread Holidays, which that year fall on the regular Sabath Day.

That Sabbath it was also the 1st of the High Days Sabbaths. The 15th of Nissan. 

And by default the 14th which is the Passover and the preparation day was the 15th of Nissan  And by default the third day was the day of resurrection the 16th of Nissan. 

The 14th and 15th of Nissan every year they fall on a different date of the week. But that year the 15th fell on the Sabath Day. And the 14th by default on the day before the Sabbath day. 

The Jewish New year is a Lunar year and it starts on the 1st day of the New moon following the 20th of March, the equinox at spring time. At the beginning of the New moon after the 20th of March is the first day of the Jewish Religious new years.

At the 14th and 15th of the first month of Nissan from Sun rise to Sun set it was 11 hours in Jerusalem and with the Twilights the day is 14 hours and from sunrise to sunset is 13 hours.

The same thing is every year. With the Twilight half and hour before the sunrise and half an hour after sunset the day time light was 14th hours. And the night time 10 hours. 

The time the rooster crow when Peter denied that he knew Jesus was at the Twilight before the Sunrise about 5:35 to 5:55 am hour time. 

This is the same day when Jesus Christ died. 

Rise/set times 

2024 Sun Graph for Jerusalem

JanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec

201612080400

Apr 15

000204060810121416182022

Astronomical Twilight:

4:45 am - 5:15 am

8:03 pm - 8:33 pm

Total:

01:01

Nautical Twilight:

5:15 am - 5:45 am

7:33 pm - 8:03 pm

Total:

00:59

Civil Twilight:

5:45 am - 6:10 am

7:08 pm - 7:33 pm

Total:

00:50

Daylight:

6:10 am - 7:08 pm

Total:

12:58

Solar Noon/Midnight:

12:39 pm

12:39 am

 

 

 

 

Daylight:

6:10 am - 7:08 pm

Total:

12:58

 

Edited June 11, 2024 by Your closest friendnt