Feast of Tabernacles proves a post trib rapture

[R. Hartono]

7 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Paul clearly tells us: "Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!" (Romans 5:9) If the trib is NOT the wrath of God, then what is it?  

True.

Why wud God rapture the saints if tribulation is over, antichrist is dead, the world returns to peace, whats the point of taking the saints to the cloud just to make a U-Turn to return to earth ???????

[Moby]

8 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Paul clearly tells us: "Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!" (Romans 5:9) If the trib is NOT the wrath of God, then what is it?  

Tribulation is that which by we enter the kingdom of God:

Acts 14:22  confirming the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that through much tribulation we must enter into the kingdom of God.

[Marilyn C]

On ‎9‎/‎7‎/‎2020 at 9:06 PM, Moby said:

The last feast of the Jewish year was the “feast of tabernacles” which is a prophesy of the harvest of the righteous. This eight day feast begins with a holy convocation in the wilderness followed by the final holy convocation when a solemn assembly(rapture/resurrection) takes place on the 8th day:

Hi Moby,

The Feasts are for Israel. And the final celebration is the feast of Purim. This celebrates their National Deliverance from their enemies. And that will finally be fulfilled after the Lord comes to deliver them. In Jerusalem it is celebrated on the 15th of Adar, the last month of their year.

That is the 1,335 days for those who will be blessed to attend. (Dan. 12: 12)

1,260 days for A/C ruling.

1,290 days for temple to be cleansed.

1,335 days till feast of Purim. (1,290 + 30 + 15) the 15th of Adar.

 

BTW if you count back from the date you will get the others too. Then of course we don`t know which year.

[JohnR7]

2 hours ago, Moby said:

Tribulation is that which by we enter the kingdom of God:

Acts 14:22  confirming the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that through much tribulation we must enter into the kingdom of God.

Paul did go tribulation. They stoned him and left him for dead. The disciples prayed for him and he recovered to where the next day he want on a mission trip. 

[Moby]

8 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Moby,

The Feasts are for Israel. And the final celebration is the feast of Purim. This celebrates their National Deliverance from their enemies. And that will finally be fulfilled after the Lord comes to deliver them. In Jerusalem it is celebrated on the 15th of Adar, the last month of their year.

That is the 1,335 days for those who will be blessed to attend. (Dan. 12: 12)

1,260 days for A/C ruling.

1,290 days for temple to be cleansed.

1,335 days till feast of Purim. (1,290 + 30 + 15) the 15th of Adar.

 

BTW if you count back from the date you will get the others too. Then of course we don`t know which year.

Paul made it very clear to the predominantly Gentile church at Corinth that everything that happened to the physical Jewish “fathers” were for our(churches) example(type~pattern) and were written for our admonition who are at the end of the ages:

1 Corinthians 10:1-12 For I would not, brethren, have you ignorant, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; (2) and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; (3) and did all eat the same spiritual food; (4) and did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them: and the rock was Christ. (5) Howbeit with most of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. (6) Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. (7) Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. (8) Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. (9) Neither let us make trial of the Lord, as some of them made trial, and perished by the serpents. (10) Neither murmur ye, as some of them murmured, and perished by the destroyer. (11) Now these things happened unto them by way of example; and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come. (12) Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

1 Corinthians chapter 10 proves Father will again repeat His bringing His spiritual people out of spiritual Egypt and they will be proven in their wilderness just as He did with Moses by example:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G5179&t=KJV

1 Peter 4:12-19 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial among you, which cometh upon you to prove you, as though a strange thing happened unto you: (13) but insomuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings, rejoice; that at the revelation of his glory also ye may rejoice with exceeding joy. (14) If ye are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are ye; because the Spirit of glory and the Spirit of God resteth upon you. (15) For let none of you suffer as a murderer, or a thief, or an evil-doer, or as a meddler in other men’s matters: (16) but if a man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God in this name. (17) For the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of God: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God? (18) And if the righteous is scarcely saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear? (19) Wherefore let them also that suffer according to the will of God commit their souls in well-doing unto a faithful Creator.

For more understanding on who the wilderness tribulation is for; please see this link:

https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/

An angel shows John the bride, the wife of the Lamb which is the holy city Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven after the tribulation. She has twelve gates named after the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Revelation 21:9-12  And there came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls, who were laden with the seven last plagues; and he spake with me, saying, Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the wife of the Lamb.  (10)  And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, (11) having the glory of God: her light was like unto a stone most precious, as it were a jasper stone, clear as crystal: (12) having a wall great and high; having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve(dōdeka) tribes(phylē) of the children of Israel:

The phrase “twelve tribes” comes from two Greek words: “dōdeka” which means twelve and “phylē” which means an offshoot, i.e. race or clan:—kindred, tribe:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1427&t=KJV

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G5443&t=KJV

Most bible teachers declare the bride is a part of the NT church so if the holy city of new Jerusalem is the bride with the gates named after the twelve tribes then they must be twelve spiritual tribes made up of both Jew and Gentile believers as “all Israel”:

Revelation 5:9-10 And they sing a new song, saying, Worthy art thou to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and didst purchase unto God with thy blood men of every tribe(phylē), and tongue, and people, and nation, (10) and madest them to be unto our God a kingdom and priests; and they reign upon the earth.

[Moby]

6 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Paul did go tribulation. They stoned him and left him for dead. The disciples prayed for him and he recovered to where the next day he want on a mission trip. 

Yes Amen! Please read this link bro and let's chat about it:

https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, Moby said:

Yes Amen! Please read this link bro and let's chat about it:

https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/

In Ephesians 3:4 we read: " he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love:" Clearly holiness and sanctification is a part of the process. This is what John Wesley taught on. Calvan and hypercalvanists want to talk about the depravity of man.  Also this is an issue that we were "chosen" before the foundation of the world. Even our name is written in the Lambs book of life from the foundation of the world. There are people that have trouble grasping that. 

Edited September 13, 2020 by JohnR7

[JohnR7]

11 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Why wud God rapture the saints if tribulation is over, antichrist is dead, the world returns to peace, whats the point of taking the saints to the cloud just to make a U-Turn to return to earth

When people die they are raptured. This means they leave their body behind.  At the resurrection their physical body is raised up. Jesus brings the saints that are in Heaven with Him to rule and reign here on the Earth for 1,000 years. Some people believe their physical body will be resurrected at that time and they will live here on the earth for 1.000 years. I wonder if all of this is physical or symbolic. We do not actually see the Holy Spirit. Even He has been here on the Earth for almost 2,000 years. 

[Marilyn C]

11 hours ago, Moby said:

Paul made it very clear to the predominantly Gentile church at Corinth that everything that happened to the physical Jewish “fathers” were for our(churches) example(type~pattern) and were written for our admonition who are at the end of the ages:

1 Corinthians 10:1-12  (6) Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. (7) Neither be ye idolaters, ......(8) Neither let us commit fornication, .... (9) Neither let us make trial of the Lord, ..... (10) Neither murmur ye, ..... (11) Now these things happened unto them by way of example; and they were written for our admonition,

1 Corinthians chapter 10 proves Father will again repeat His bringing His spiritual people out of spiritual Egypt and they will be proven in their wilderness just as He did with Moses by example:

 

 

Hi Moby,

So you can see the example is to NOT `lust after things, nor be an idolater, nor commit fornication, or make trial of the Lord or murmur.`

All behaviour.

[R. Hartono]

10 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

When people die they are raptured.

Not true, they r in the place for the death, read the story of poor lazarus n the rich man, Abraham is there waiting for resurrection. Also Daniel is waiting for his reward at the end times.

Its different when Jesus appears at the cloud to raise the saints n take the living wise virgins to heaven as the great multitude of Revelation 7.