Tongues?

[kwikphilly]

2 hours ago, Paul James said:

In the Pentecostal movement before the mid 1980s, the power of the Holy Spirit was in the region of healing and casting out of demons.  We were told that just because one had a contrary mother-in-law it didn't mean that she was possessed with a demon!

Blessings to you

    Oh how I long for a local gathering place of the Body of Christ .....I was so Blessed to have known this for many many years under the leadership of a Godly man with Christ our Head......we witnessed many a Healing,Deliverance,Prophesying and all the Gift of Holy Spirit being poured out in that place.(Pentacostal btw)..I miss it all very much

    We lost our Bishop(the Godly leader I mentioned) & his wife in a horrific car accident.... We carried in with the Ministry for some time but slowly but surely we began to fall to pieces..One by one we left the little local church,the Members of the Body scattered and many of us realized that perhaps we  were looking to a "man",depending & relying on our wonderful Bishop a bit too much-maybe that is why he was taken from us?

   Anyway,I wandered from place to place for a very long time after that,I saw little signs & wonders,if none at all    I did learn there is much more than signs & wonders for the mature Born Again Believer & I learned that Holy Spirit Does not flow freely where He is not wanted.....the flesh can greatly hinder Power of Holy Spirit and that is a sad thing-especially in a room full of Believers

   Well,you just made me think of the time I knew what it was to pray in "one accord",to walk into a building at 9am & when we left we were all astonished when someone said"Hey,it 3pm!"   No one was jerking,twitching.screaming jibber jabber,no mass hysteria  or rolling down the aisles-there was a small plaque on a wall that said"the Lord is NEVER out of order"   Where Oh were can I find my Brothers & Sisters under one little roof?

                                                                          With love-in Christ<Kwik

[enoob57]

On 11/23/2020 at 6:57 PM, Paul James said:

True, but the Pharisees thought the same, and they missed knowing Jesus as their Messiah.

the bottom line of all this is the sufficiency of Scripture not sensual fulfillment as the body, the works, the total of this place passes away and memory of... Thank goodness Jesus told us this

John 20:29

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
KJV
I believe the whole predicate of the charismatic movement of early 1900's is built upon physical proof of signs and wonders that being of the substance which shall pass away... and those who build upon this shall suffer loss when it is so- The Scripture will be fulfilled as it is written and we may fill ourselves with the eternal keepings of God or the things which He has said will pass away... it is our choice!

 

[R. Hartono]

6 hours ago, enoob57 said:

the bottom line of all this is the sufficiency of Scripture not sensual fulfillment as the body, the works, the total of this place passes away and memory of... Thank goodness Jesus told us this

John 20:29

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
KJV
I believe the whole predicate of the charismatic movement of early 1900's is built upon physical proof of signs and wonders that being of the substance which shall pass away... and those who build upon this shall suffer loss when it is so- The Scripture will be fulfilled as it is written and we may fill ourselves with the eternal keepings of God or the things which He has said will pass away... it is our choice!

 

Thomas himself received Holy Spirit baptism and spoke in tongues.

Prophecy will pass away in new Jerusalem under new heaven and new earth so while you are still living on this bloody stained earth do not harden ur heart like the Hebrew did on the desert.

[Paul James]

12 hours ago, enoob57 said:

the bottom line of all this is the sufficiency of Scripture not sensual fulfillment as the body, the works, the total of this place passes away and memory of... Thank goodness Jesus told us this

John 20:29

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
KJV
I believe the whole predicate of the charismatic movement of early 1900's is built upon physical proof of signs and wonders that being of the substance which shall pass away... and those who build upon this shall suffer loss when it is so- The Scripture will be fulfilled as it is written and we may fill ourselves with the eternal keepings of God or the things which He has said will pass away... it is our choice!

 

In the early church, the signs and wonders followed the preaching of the Gospel to prove that Jesus is alive and the Gospel is true.  The outcome was that the Roman Empire was turned upside down and became Christianized.

These days, the Gospel is being preached rarely in our Christian "clubs", and when it is preached all that is offered is words without the signs and wonders, and so less than 1 percent of those who hear the Gospel come to Christ, and instead of our communities become Christianized, they become more neo-pagan.   Rejecting the signs and wonders as integral to the preaching of the Gospel is like taking the tools away from the mechanic and still expecting him to fix our motor vehicles.

By their fruits we shall know them.  The fruit of the early Church preaching of the Gospel was the Christianizing of society.   The fruit coming out of our Christian "temples" and "clubs" is the paganizing of our society.

[Paul James]

On 11/24/2020 at 11:12 AM, enoob57 said:

After I was born from above I realized I did not need sensual proof ... God's Word was sufficient in all areas of Spirit filled walk....

All the time society is paganised and established order is turned upside down by the BLM movement, increase of Islam, school shootings, church buildings turned into furniture warehouses, banning prayer in schools, yet allowing the teaching of islam, and politicians declaring that "we are no longer a Christian society".   That is the fruit of our modern-day chin-music based preaching of a gospel that is nothing like what the Apostles preached.

[Marathoner]

13 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Where Oh were can I find my Brothers & Sisters under one little roof?

                                                                          With love-in Christ<Kwik

Years ago when I lived in the middle of nowhere, I asked this very thing of the Lord. Is there no one else called by Your name, Lord? Where are they, so I might embrace my brothers and sisters?

It was a dark time in that place in the middle of nowhere. I carried out His will in caring for one He loved, but the Lord inclines His ear toward me and so He answered my cry. 

In the closest town, I would search for a congregation off the beaten path: their careworn sign would be obscured from view. This is where I would find others called by His name. 

The next day I set out for that town (13 miles down the closest highway) and once I arrived, I proceeded very slowly down the main drag. It was a three-traffic signal town of 1,000 so I didn't have far to go. Once I reached the end of town, I turned around so I might search for the careworn sign... and approaching from the opposite direction I spotted it! It was obscured from view by an overgrown tree, making it virtually impossible to spot coming from the east. 

I turned on that road and that was when I came upon the tiny congregation's tiny and nondescript building. 13 people gathered within; 13 precious souls who embraced me and I, in turn, embraced them. 

Look off the beaten path.  

[Waggles]

In our Pentecostal church where everybody can pray in tongues we ALSO in addition operate the three voice gifts of the Holy Spirit at our meetings.

One will speak in an unknown tongue and this is followed by the gift of interpretation. This will be done decently and in order up to three times.

Afterwards there will be up to three gifts of prophecy or inspired speaking. 

This is all laid out in 1Corinthians 14:

God speaking to his adopted children through His Holy Spirit.

Awesome.

[Waggles]

1Thess 5:16  Rejoice always; 
17  pray without ceasing; 
18  in everything give thanks: for this is God’s will in Christ Jesus toward you. 
19  Quench not the Spirit; 
20  despise not prophesyings; 

1Cor 14:39  So then, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. 
40  But let all things be done decently and in order. 

Edited October 21, 2021 by Waggles

[R. Hartono]

14 hours ago, enoob57 said:

the bottom line of all this is the sufficiency of Scripture not sensual fulfillment as the body, the works, the total of this place passes away and memory of... Thank goodness Jesus told us this

John 20:29

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
KJV
I believe the whole predicate of the charismatic movement of early 1900's is built upon physical proof of signs and wonders that being of the substance which shall pass away... and those who build upon this shall suffer loss when it is so- The Scripture will be fulfilled as it is written and we may fill ourselves with the eternal keepings of God or the things which He has said will pass away... it is our choice!

 

Holy Spirit downpour on Pentecost day is not a sensual fulfillment as you repeteadly insisted, because Holy Spirit duty is to build up the church with 9 Gifts of Holy Spirit, God is still speaking in our church thru Xenolalia to rebuke and rebuild the sheeps.

Its not not not easy to rcv Holy Spirit baptism it took a long time trial n prayer to overcome dignity and flesh, not like those jumping mumbo jumbo practitioner did.

 

[kwikphilly]

2 hours ago, Marathoner said:

Look off the beaten path.

Blessings Brother

     I loved your story,thank you so much for sharing it here.....So far its been a very long search for me,I thought I looked down all the beaten paths & I sorta gave up....

  Well,funny you should encourage me to continue down the beaten path(LOL) because right after you posted that I received a msg from a Brother who sent me a link to a place he thought I might take a look at.....all I'm going to say right now is that it is a "beaten path" I would have NEVER thought of   So,we shall see............God is AMAZING!!! Praise Jesus!                With love,your Sis