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[dhchristian]

Just now, Revelation Man said:

Of course there is, if you are wrong on something you are not qualified as being correct on it just because you once believed in it. Only TRUTH MATTERS, not what you once believed or did not believe. That was the whole point. 

You assume I am wrong without doing the due diligence and seeing if what I say is true, this is called the Pride of Ignorance. I tested the pretrib rapture against scripture and it fell flat, so I reject it. I do not condemn you for believing in it, but will tell you to be ready for disappointment. If You happen to be right I will rejoice all the sooner and in heaven, If I am right, you will be disappointed and ill prepared for what is to come upon you.  

[iamlamad]

6 hours ago, dhchristian said:

Remember, I was pre trib, so I fully understand the pre trib thinking and logic, I am no longer pre trib because I see the flaws in that logic, flaws that have to complicate the simple reading of the text. The simplicity of Matthew 24 is that even simple fishermen and tax collectors could comprehend the eschatology therein, it did not take degree in Biblical studies. 

1 thess. 5 is no problem for the pre  wrath position either... let's take a simple look at it.

But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. (Verses 1-10)

Again pre wrath is expressed here in verse 9, we are not appointed unto wrath... All the first part is speaking of is being awake and ready for what is to come, which is travail, the birth pangs becoming the labor "sudden destruction". If I may let me use modern political things here, MAGA Much of the church is consumed with this today, and the election upcoming. Let us say DJT wins the election, many in the church will be saying "peace and safety" yet they are ignoring the birth pangs we are seeing today, which is the point of this post. It is this passage that got twisted by some which was the impetus for Paul to write the 2nd Epistle to the Thessalonians, which was to clarify that  That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (2 Thess. 2-3)

Here Paul is simply clarifying that the falling away and the revealing of the man of sin (the abomination of desolation) must come first. This is the simple reading of these two Epistles. As you may or may not Know, theses two Epistles are the first ones Paul wrote. He develops this more in depth in his later Epistles, primarily his Prison epistles and Pastoral Epistles. Christianity is not an escape from tribulation, in fact the opposite is true, True saving faith invites persecution and tribulation upon the believer (the testing of your faith). People who use Christianity as a form of "escapism" are in for a surprise in this regard. People will begin to hate you in fact because of your conviction. Hence the falling away.   

I totally agree Matthew 24 is very simple; nothing complicated there; but Christ's next coming and Paul's rapture is not to be found there, for that is about His coming to Armageddon. See how simple? No conflicts, no problems.

If course Paul's rapture verses are not against pre-wrath as a simple statement that the rapture comes before wrath - for it certainly does. That passage is not really pre-wrath's great problems.

Your last paragraph is in error because the KJV translators were in error. It is not a falling away (from what is not specified); it is a catching away translated as a departing.  There is simply no way a falling away matched anything being "taken out of the way" (as by an outside force) not is there any way that a falling away can be any kind of masculine restrainer. (He)

Next, Paul's argument requires the departing be something so significant people would say: "Ah! this is what Paul was talking about." If it was a falling away, how would anyone know when ENOUGH have fallen away?

Finally, if the church was really going to go through the days of great tribulation, how could Paul have written that the rapture would be a "blessed hope?" How could Paul have written that we are to comfort one another by telling them they must go through the days of GT? On the other (and correct) hand, the rapture IS God's planned escape and it IS a blessed hope that we won't go through any part of the 70th week, much less the days of GT. 

OF COURSE we will have tribulation: in Rev. 7 God calls the church age "the great tribulation" because it has been one very long tribulation. But this is your everyday kill the Christians type of tribulation because Satan hated Jesus so hates us. It is not the 70th week or time of Jacob's trouble. We are not going to be here for any nuclear exchange, seas turning to blood, stinging beasties that make people wish for death, etc. 

Since you are determined to stay behind, I must warn you that you will be overcome and beheaded. That is scripture.  It is not God's plan for you. It will be you setting your own appointment. 

I undertstand, for someone that pictures the book of Revelation as some 3 dimensional mix of end times scriptures, the fact that prewrath theory (the tribulation and GT in the seals for example) requires a total rewrite of Revelation makes no difference at all. 

As for me and MY house, we are taking God's escape plan. We are out of here on the first load. 

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Of course there is, if you are wrong on something you are not qualified as being correct on it just because you once believed in it. Only TRUTH MATTERS, not what you once believed or did not believe. That was the whole point. 

The fact that one once believed the truth of pretrib, but then moved away from it tells us something. 

[iamlamad]

7 hours ago, RonaldBruno said:

A flaw with this view is that during the Feast of Trumpets, a shot at is blown by a human being. The last trumpet is blown by an angel. Therefore we need to find where in scripture are angels blowing trumpets - can you figure that out?

It is VERY possible that God Himself will sound His trumpet at the very same time people on earth are sounding their trumpets to end the feast of trumpets.  

Not, the last trump is the TRUMP OF GOD. It is not an angel.

[RonaldBruno]

Maybe the Last Trump is Donald?

[The Light]

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

And THIS BEAST is a Demon named Lucifer/Satan.

Satan is not a demon, he is an angel.

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Rev. 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

So, the Beast/Dragon in Rev. 12 can be a Demon bit the one in Rev. 17 can't be a Demon.

Satan is an angel, not a demon. Satan does not get cast out of heaven until right before the wrath of God begins.

Rev 12

⁷ And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

⁸ And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

⁹ And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Do you understand how this destroys your narrative?

No, do you understand how this destroys your narrative?

Rev 13

⁴ And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No, because your IDEAS are all important, the facts are just something that gets in the way. 

LOL. Please.

When discussing your famous 3 questions in Matthew 24, I showed you how the verses in Luke 21 and Mark 13 COMPLETELY DISPROVE what you are saying and you reject the Word of God and carry on in blindness like it never happened. There is no doubt whatsoever that the things that are said in Luke 21 and Mark 13 blow holes in what you say. What do you do? Act like I have cheated by showing the other Gospels. You expect them to be set aside as if they don't count.

When discussing the 144,000, you claimed that it represents all of Israel. When I showed you that the 144,000 are redeemed from the earth and are in heaven at the beginning of Rev 13 and therefore cannot represent all of Israel, you pretended it never happened and continued in blindness, oblivious to the truth that disproves what you say. Those are the facts.

 

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You misrepresent what I said.........I never stated he is not of the 7,

Well, here is what you said: The 8th tells you he is not of the 7

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

I stated he is not a Human Being/Kingdom on the earth else the Beast with 7 Heads would have been a Beast with 8 Heads. And just like the Dragon doesn't make it have 8 Heads, neither does the Scarlet Colored Beast named Apollyon.

Bad logic AGAIN. The reason that it is not a beast with eight heads is because the eighth is OF THE SEVEN. And I know the beast is not Apollyon.

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

One more time.....Apollyon is "OF THE 7" in that he is a Demon Spirit placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region. He wwas over Israel and his A-1 job was to get rid of Israel because Satan knew the SEED would come from Israel. But he failed, God protected Israel with a wall of fire and the Red Sea. Next Apollyon tried to tote of the 10 tribes of Israel thinking he could poker a hole in Prophecy, God had seed from every tribe in Jerusalem, so there were never any lost tribes, just those that were evil toted off, those of those 10 tribes who hated Evil were living in Judea/Jerusalem, thus they were never lost.

Apollyon is not of the seven. This is just something that you have imagined. Now you are running with it like it is fact.

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Next came Babylon, Aopollyon thought he had the Jews in a position where he could destroy them, but God sent Nebuchadnezzar a dream and gave Daniel favor with him. Next up, Cyrus favored the Jews even though other kings from Persia later on more than likely wanted to conquer Israel again, but God defeated them with Alexander the Great, Apollyon tried to resist Micheal for 21 days in Daniel ch. 10. The via the Romans Apollyon thought he had defeated the Jews once and for all, but he was sadly mistaken. God then locked him in the Bottomless Pit for the next 2000 some odd years, hes still there today, thus he WAS........Of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome which = 6 of the 7 heads shown in Revelation. Now Apollyon is locked up in the pit thus he........IS NOT, because he of course is not over the Mediterranean Sea Region anymore because he is in the Bottomless Pit, he he the King of the Bottomless Pit thus he is not at the moment. Coming soon, after the asteroid strikes in Rev. 8 Apollyon will be released, he will once again BE OVER the Mediterranean Sea Region a la being over the Anti-Christ Beast we see from Rev. 13. this he......YET IS, meaning he was over the REGION, then he WAS NOT via the monkier IS NOT................but because he will once again be loosed and allowed to be a Demonic Beast over the REGION he YET IS !!

I know this is way, way, way, WAY over your head, but Apollyon is not released from the abyss until the 5th trumpet. That is way after the abomination of desolation is set up and the woman flees. The eighth king is around when the abomination of desolation is set up while Apollyon is yet in the abyss.

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Its not that complicated. 

 

I don't know about that. You are saying Apollyon is the Price of Persia, do you have any Biblical proof of that. Then there is the Prince of Greece. Is that Apollyon also?

[The Light]

12 hours ago, dhchristian said:

Remember, I was pre trib, so I fully understand the pre trib thinking and logic,

Excellent conclusion. Well done. Like you say, most of the pretrib thinking and logic is incorrect. Heck, I think the only thing they got right is that there will be a pretribulation rapture.

12 hours ago, dhchristian said:

 

I am no longer pre trib because I see the flaws in that logic, flaws that have to complicate the simple reading of the text. The simplicity of Matthew 24 is that even simple fishermen and tax collectors could comprehend the eschatology therein, it did not take degree in Biblical studies. 

1 thess. 5 is no problem for the pre  wrath position either... let's take a simple look at it.

But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. (Verses 1-10)

Again pre wrath is expressed here in verse 9, we are not appointed unto wrath... All the first part is speaking of is being awake and ready for what is to come, which is travail, the birth pangs becoming the labor "sudden destruction". If I may let me use modern political things here, MAGA Much of the church is consumed with this today, and the election upcoming. Let us say DJT wins the election, many in the church will be saying "peace and safety" yet they are ignoring the birth pangs we are seeing today, which is the point of this post. It is this passage that got twisted by some which was the impetus for Paul to write the 2nd Epistle to the Thessalonians, which was to clarify that  That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (2 Thess. 2-3)

Here Paul is simply clarifying that the falling away and the revealing of the man of sin (the abomination of desolation) must come first. This is the simple reading of these two Epistles. As you may or may not Know, theses two Epistles are the first ones Paul wrote. He develops this more in depth in his later Epistles, primarily his Prison epistles and Pastoral Epistles.

It is good that you understand that there will be a pre wrath rapture. And like you say, first the man of sin has to be revealed and a falling away has to happen. The one small detail that you are missing is that the prewrath rapture is the rapture of the 12 tribes that are across the earth. They are the seed of the woman that Satan pursues when he can't get to the woman who has fled to a place of protection. You see those 144,000 from the 12 tribes are the first fruits and we see that they are redeemed from the earth in Rev 14. Those first fruits that have been presented to God are favorable which guarantees a harvest of the 12 tribes. And the 12 tribes "are not appointed to wrath". The woman who flees remains on earth as her eyes have not been yet opened. The 12 tribes across the earth have their eyes opened when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, via the pretrib rapture of the Church.

12 hours ago, dhchristian said:

Christianity is not an escape from tribulation, in fact the opposite is true, True saving faith invites persecution and tribulation upon the believer (the testing of your faith). People who use Christianity as a form of "escapism" are in for a surprise in this regard. People will begin to hate you in fact because of your conviction. Hence the falling away.   

 

I know that you have to be familiar with these verses. Do you not understand or believe them

Rev 3

¹⁰ Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Luke 21

³⁴ And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

³⁵ For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

³⁶ Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Do you not believe what God says? He want's to keep you from the hour of temptation that will come on all the world. He wants you to escape ALL THESE THINGS that will come to pass.

The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. Their eyes are going to be opened. That will not happen until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. It will come in with the pretrib rapture.

[The Light]

6 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I totally agree Matthew 24 is very simple; nothing complicated there; but Christ's next coming and Paul's rapture is not to be found there, for that is about His coming to Armageddon. See how simple? No conflicts, no problems.

Sorry but this is incorrect. The coming of Jesus in Matt 24 has nothing to do with Armageddon, it is the coming of Jesus to gather His elect from heaven and earth prior to the wrath of God. We can see the same coming at the 6th  seal.

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If course Paul's rapture verses are not against pre-wrath as a simple statement that the rapture comes before wrath - for it certainly does. That passage is not really pre-wrath's great problems.

Your last paragraph is in error because the KJV translators were in error. It is not a falling away (from what is not specified); it is a catching away translated as a departing.  There is simply no way a falling away matched anything being "taken out of the way" (as by an outside force) not is there any way that a falling away can be any kind of masculine restrainer. (He)

Next, Paul's argument requires the departing be something so significant people would say: "Ah! this is what Paul was talking about." If it was a falling away, how would anyone know when ENOUGH have fallen away?

The Church will be in heaven before the falling away occurs.

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Finally, if the church was really going to go through the days of great tribulation, how could Paul have written that the rapture would be a "blessed hope?" How could Paul have written that we are to comfort one another by telling them they must go through the days of GT? On the other (and correct) hand, the rapture IS God's planned escape and it IS a blessed hope that we won't go through any part of the 70th week, much less the days of GT. 

Your error is not realizing that the 70th week will be over before the wrath of God begins.

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OF COURSE we will have tribulation: in Rev. 7 God calls the church age "the great tribulation" because it has been one very long tribulation.

The Church will be in heaven long before Rev 7 happens. The Church age is over before the seals are opened. And the tribulation is only 45 days long. It is called the great tribulation because it will be a time of trouble like no other, not because it lasts a long time.

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But this is your everyday kill the Christians type of tribulation because Satan hated Jesus so hates us. It is not the 70th week or time of Jacob's trouble. We are not going to be here for any nuclear exchange, seas turning to blood, stinging beasties that make people wish for death, etc. 

The 70th week, the time of Jacobs trouble is over before the wrath of God begins. The Church is in heaven pretrib. The 12 tribes across the earth are in heaven, pre wrath. And the woman remains on earth in a place of protection. None of Gods people are appointed to wrath.

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Since you are determined to stay behind, I must warn you that you will be overcome and beheaded. That is scripture.  It is not God's plan for you. It will be you setting your own appointment. 

As for me and MY house, we are taking God's escape plan. We are out of here on the first load. 

Amen

Edited June 16, 2020 by The Light

[Revelation Man]

13 hours ago, dhchristian said:

You assume I am wrong without doing the due diligence and seeing if what I say is true, this is called the Pride of Ignorance. I tested the pretrib rapture against scripture and it fell flat, so I reject it. I do not condemn you for believing in it, but will tell you to be ready for disappointment. If You happen to be right I will rejoice all the sooner and in heaven, If I am right, you will be disappointed and ill prepared for what is to come upon you.  

No, I know you are wrong on the subject. I assume you think because you once believed differently that makes you all of the sudden correct, I assume that because you say so, thus I tell you its nit the case, being wrong on something now still makes you wrong, no matter what a former belief is, if you used to think 2 + 2 was 4 and you now think 2 + 2 = 7, having derived from  a different understanding doesn't make you right now, only the FACTS/Truth make us correct or incorrect. 

I don't "CONDEMN" you either, only God can condemn and being wrong on the Rapture is not going to take anyone to hell, but I can call your opinion out as being in error, and do, and will. You see, you say IF.....i don't go by ifs when I know something. Until I know something I say this is my belief, but I never say something is a fact until the Holy Spirit TIME STAMPS it for me. Its been time stamped, its settled.

I am prepared now do die for my savior, because i love the Lord and hate this evil world.  So, you not understanding the reasons why the Church had to go through Tribulation misses everything. They had yet to deliver the Gospel unto the whole world, we have already done that via the Missions and now via TV. Our mission is complete, its time to go home to be with the Lord. Rev. 19 tells you we come back with Jesus, you just can't accept those facts. That is on your brother. 

[Revelation Man]

5 hours ago, The Light said:

Satan is not a demon, he is an angel.

 

All Demons were Angels.........Good grief man.

5 hours ago, The Light said:

Satan is an angel, not a demon. Satan does not get cast out of heaven until right before the wrath of God begins.

Rev 12

⁷ And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

⁸ And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

⁹ And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And when Satan is cast out of Heaven has absolutely nothing to do with him being OVER THIS WORLD........See his conversation with Jesus in Luke chapter 4. 

5 hours ago, The Light said:

No, do you understand how this destroys your narrative?

Rev 13

⁴ And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

A Beast represent a DOMINANT ANIMAL but all it means is a Dominant Power. Thus the Dragon is a Demonic Power, thus he has 7 CROWNS on the 7 Heads. The Anti-Christ is a Beast Kingdom of this Earth. And the Scarlet Colored Beast is a Demon named Apollyon, you really are not cut out for Eschatology if you don't understand these things brother. You make the simple things seem complicated.

5 hours ago, The Light said:

LOL. Please.

When discussing your famous 3 questions in Matthew 24, I showed you how the verses in Luke 21 and Mark 13 COMPLETELY DISPROVE what you are saying and you reject the Word of God and carry on in blindness like it never happened. There is no doubt whatsoever that the things that are said in Luke 21 and Mark 13 blow holes in what you say. What do you do? Act like I have cheated by showing the other Gospels. You expect them to be set aside as if they don't count.

There is no SORROWS after the Baby is birthed. You trying to thrust the sorrows into the 70th week is just wrongheaded brother.

5 hours ago, The Light said:

When discussing the 144,000, you claimed that it represents all of Israel. When I showed you that the 144,000 are redeemed from the earth and are in heaven at the beginning of Rev 13 and therefore cannot represent all of Israel, you pretended it never happened and continued in blindness, oblivious to the truth that disproves what you say. Those are the facts.

 

The 144,000 are a Metaphor for ALL Israel, aren't the Jews on earth now? There is no place that shows them in Heaven, especially Rev. 13 because its about the Anti-Christ on earth during the 70th week. So, unless you typed in the wrong chapter you don;t even have in argument, when you type in the right chapter I will prove that is in error. 

5 hours ago, The Light said:

Well, here is what you said: The 8th tells you he is not of the 7

 

Put the whole quote there next time and the context................As I do below. 

The 7th King is THAT MAN Isaiah 16:14 spoke of. The 8th tells you he is not of the 7 but is an 8th, meaning he is not a MAN or a Kingdom of this world. 

IN REPLY TO THIS BELOW:

The 7th King is an antichrist, but he is not the antichrist. As for Apollyon, he is not the 8th King. The 8th King is a man.:read:

Isaiah 14

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

Thus what I stated is perfectly true, but you are just not hip to the point I made. 

What you are trying to say is FALSE BIG TIME, you are tying to say the 7th King/Head is not the Anti-Christ. So my reply is about the 7 Headed Beast........He is not a part of THAT PARTICULAR 7 Headed Beast in that he is not Human, all of those are HUMAN KINGDOMS !! On this earth !! Thus Apollyon not being a Human is not a part of that Seven Headed Beast System, that is why there are only 7 Heads not 8, and he has NO CROWNS because in the Spiritual World he is UNDER Satan, he is only the King of the Bottomless Pit which is NOT ON THIS EARTH !! So, he is OF THE 7 in that Satan placed him as a Demonic Principality of the Region, but he is NOT OF THE 7 Human Kingdoms as per being a PHYSICAL BEING, thus there are only 7 Heads not 8............Satan/Dragon is over Apollyon and over the whole earth, but his CROWNS are on the 7 Heads, that should tell you thee is NO 8th Head or King via THIS WORLD. 

If one thinks properly, they could thus say Satan is a 9th King. But even Satan is not a Physical Human and has never had a physical Kingdom on this earth. So, y you not getting it, you get all twisted up on the facts. 

So, he is of the 7.............and he is not of the 7.........OR he is of the Seven via the Spiritual World but NOT of the 7 via the Physical World.

5 hours ago, The Light said:

Bad logic AGAIN. The reason that it is not a beast with eight heads is because the eighth is OF THE SEVEN. And I know the beast is not Apollyon.

I am just to hip on these things for you to keep up I guess.

5 hours ago, The Light said:

Apollyon is not of the seven. This is just something that you have imagined. Now you are running with it like it is fact.

 

My thought is you may never get this...........INDEED.

5 hours ago, The Light said:

Bad logic AGAIN. The reason that it is not a beast with eight heads is because the eighth is OF THE SEVEN. And I know the beast is not Apollyon.

No, because the First Four Trumpets BEGIN the DOTL and all four are the IMPACT of the asteroid Apophis, so an IMPACT is just ONE IMPACT, but the Fire is covered as coming in first but alas, if the fire comes in first, the impact is minutes later. Then after the IMPACT john is shown the SAME EVENT again, instead of being a Mountain this time, God shows him that its a Rock on FIRE {Star} coming in fast and thus all the Nuclear fall out will poison the fresh waters. Then the 4th Trumpet is the PLUME of Smoke and Debris that arise to block out the Sun, so the 5th Trump is BOOM, happening almost at the same time as the IMPACT. The Seals are not real time events, they are PROPHETIC UTTERANCES, of future events, even if its just days away, or even if its just hours away. Jesus is FORETELLING what is coming over the next 42 months via the Seals, the JUDGMENTS can not be read until all 7 have been opened. That is why there is SILENCE in Heaven after the 7th Trumpet, no more Prophecy by Jesus and no more COME AND SEE by the Angels, this time the 7 Angels are readying the trumpet Judgments, Amen. 

6 hours ago, The Light said:

I don't know about that. You are saying Apollyon is the Price of Persia, do you have any Biblical proof of that. Then there is the Prince of Greece. Is that Apollyon also?

He was over the Region, hes the Scarlet Colored Beast.

You try brother, but I have been doing this for 35 years, I am very persistent, like a dog on a bone, I wrestled with God until all my wrong ideas were washed away. Keep going for it, but once you get to heaven  ans see I was right, because I sought God the Lords truths over my own  truths, I am sure you are going to be like, well, ole Ron tried to inform me all these things years ago. Then as we travel off to further adventures, well laugh about it as brothers.