Why I do not believe evolution diminishes God

[Deadworm]

29 minutes ago, theElect777 said:

And still you are ignoring Chapter 2 where it claims on the DAY of Creation, God created generations of things (paraphrase).

In other words, a blade of grass is not a seedling, a tree is not a seedling, a flower is not a seedling, animals were not infant, Adam was a grown man.  That removes EVOLUTION 100% because God put forth everything in its mature state.

 

So you are claiming that vegetation can survive without the heat of the sun?

[Guest theElect777]

1 hour ago, Deadworm said:

So you are claiming that vegetation can survive without the heat of the sun?

If God is Light, a Light greater than the sun possibly quadrillion times Brighter than the sun, and He as the WORD was in His "true" Godly form during creation.  How much more light do you think was required?

 

 

[David1701]

2 hours ago, Deadworm said:

Here are just 7 of the absurd implications of a literal understanding of Genesis 1-3 that cry out for a poetic nonliteral interpretation.                                                                                                                                                                                                          (1) Earth's vegetation is created the day before the sun is created (Genesis1:11-19).                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

God created light, before he created the sun.  In any case plants can easily survive a day without light, if they have to.

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(2) Water substitutes for the vacuum of outer space. So a “dome” is needed to separate the waters above from the waters below (1:6).               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

The expanse that separates the waters below from the waters above is the sky.  The waters above are in the clouds.

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(3) Adam and Eve are able to speak without ever having learned a language. 

Perhaps you have heard of God?  He is able to build in abilities to his creation.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        

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(4) Adam has a son, Seth, in his own “image and likeness (5:3),” thus implying a literal understanding of the creation of man in “the image and likeness of God” in 1:26-27). On this understanding, God is a guy who looks like Adam.

It says that Adam was created in the image of God (i.e. with some of his attributes - the power of  reason, artistic ability and appreciation, originally morally good, etc.).  This is nothing to do with appearance; whereas, Seth would not only have been like Adam in terms of personality and ability, but also in appearance.                                                                                     

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(5) Snakes have to crawl because a talking snake once said the wrong thing (3:14).                                                                                                                         

Mocking the word of God is not the mark of a Christian.                                                                                                                                                                                                          

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(6) Man became godlike and learned the difference between good and evil only because Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating the forbidden fruit (3:22). So God never wanted man to become godlike and develop a conscience to learn the difference between good and evil.

Adam should have continued to trust the Lord and rely upon him for assessments of right and wrong, rather than seek to be able to do this independently of God, by eating the forbidden fruit.

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(7) Man's disobedience in the Garden is punished by the need to work for a living. Therefore, man was originally intended to live in idle indolence (3:17).

Adam was to tend the Garden of Eden.  Since when is this "idle indolence"?

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My next planned post will argue for a figurative poetic interpretation that might be compatible with evolution.

If the quality of this post is anything to go by, then you needn't bother.

[Wesley L]

23 hours ago, one.opinion said:

I really need an answer to my question to see if it is worth investing our time. Do you have any interest in learning more about biology and evolution than you already know?

Hi @one.opinion, I have also been reading your other answers.
Well, YES PLEASE. I am very interested in your view of evolution. 
What I am afraid of is to get an enormous amount of texts to go through. I hope you can keep it compact at first and by questioning you on that , you can clarify more in details?

Looking forward to see your theory.

[one.opinion]

36 minutes ago, Wesley L said:

Hi @one.opinion, I have also been reading your other answers.
Well, YES PLEASE. I am very interested in your view of evolution. 
What I am afraid of is to get an enormous amount of texts to go through. I hope you can keep it compact at first and by questioning you on that , you can clarify more in details?

Looking forward to see your theory.

Ok great - I actually made another thread with some other forum members that like to talk about science. 

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/256031-lets-discuss-scientific-objections-to-evolution/

I'll do my best to answer any questions you have over there!

 

[Marathoner]

I thought I'd return to this topic since the gist of conversation in this sub-forum revolves around the subject matter our brother @one.opinion articulated in the OP. I stand in agreement with my brother in Christ but there was a time when I chose to remain silent, avoiding such matters because there was no profit to be found therein. A great deal of misconception and misinformation regarding the synthetic theory of evolution swirls about and I confess overcoming such noise is a daunting task. In many ways its an exercise in reinventing the wheel and thus the probability of misunderstanding and even dispute rising up is an ironclad guarantee. 

The Lord convicted me of my reticence. In silence I have observed brother pitted against brother and mourn when a divide opens up between the two, praying fervently that it wouldn't be so. I accept that whatsoever I write here will likely fall upon closed eyes and deaf ears but I must put forth the effort. I hope that effort is not entirely in vain.

Notions of Charles Darwin and the systematic study of morphology (shape and form) are relics of the past, proved inadequate with the advent of radiometric dating techniques and the discovery of the DNA molecule in 1953. Both the truth and proof of the process of evolution is found recorded in the DNA (or RNA as it were) of life on this world which God made. Therefore the modern synthetic theory of evolution is founded upon genetic analysis and not constrained to considerations of phenotype and form. The Lord vested everything which biological life requires to grow, replicate, and continue forward through space and time in the nucleotides which comprise RNA and DNA. "All things according to their kind" is expressed in the organic code contained within those molecules. It's the language of life. 

How many arms and legs a creature will have is literally "written" in their DNA. Advances in forensic science have yielded insights into the nature of genes; it is estimated that close to 87% of our genome is comprised of controller genes. These controller genes dictate the status of other genes, whether they are activated (turned on) or dormant (turned off). All of our biological traits, processes, and structures are recorded in our genes and thus the controller gene may be thought of as "the boss" of them all. 

The process of evolution doesn't "teach" us anything --- men reach their own conclusions and hold fast to their own traditions and beliefs. That DNA exists is undisputable; that DNA changes over the course of many generations is also an established fact. Hence evolution is understood to be a process whereby life changes in response to variables present in the environment... mutation... genetic recombination occurring as a result of conception... and a host of other stimuli which falls beyond the scope of this post. It's possible to discuss attributes of the wheel without reinventing it.  

Accepting the evidence doesn't place one at odds with the Son of the living God. On the contrary: this is HIS creation! The Lord created DNA and He established the process of evolution. This process parallels the work of His blood and Holy Spirit in redeeming us and transforming us from glory to glory. Until we are with Him in fullness change is the rule of our walk with the Lord. We grow ever closer to Christ until our appointed time comes.  

[Guest theElect777]

3 hours ago, Marathoner said:

I thought I'd return to this topic since the gist of conversation in this sub-forum revolves around the subject matter our brother @one.opinion articulated in the OP. I stand in agreement with my brother in Christ but there was a time when I chose to remain silent, avoiding such matters because there was no profit to be found therein. A great deal of misconception and misinformation regarding the synthetic theory of evolution swirls about and I confess overcoming such noise is a daunting task. In many ways its an exercise in reinventing the wheel and thus the probability of misunderstanding and even dispute rising up is an ironclad guarantee. 

The Lord convicted me of my reticence. In silence I have observed brother pitted against brother and mourn when a divide opens up between the two, praying fervently that it wouldn't be so. I accept that whatsoever I write here will likely fall upon closed eyes and deaf ears but I must put forth the effort. I hope that effort is not entirely in vain.

Notions of Charles Darwin and the systematic study of morphology (shape and form) are relics of the past, proved inadequate with the advent of radiometric dating techniques and the discovery of the DNA molecule in 1953. Both the truth and proof of the process of evolution is found recorded in the DNA (or RNA as it were) of life on this world which God made. Therefore the modern synthetic theory of evolution is founded upon genetic analysis and not constrained to considerations of phenotype and form. The Lord vested everything which biological life requires to grow, replicate, and continue forward through space and time in the nucleotides which comprise RNA and DNA. "All things according to their kind" is expressed in the organic code contained within those molecules. It's the language of life. 

How many arms and legs a creature will have is literally "written" in their DNA. Advances in forensic science have yielded insights into the nature of genes; it is estimated that close to 87% of our genome is comprised of controller genes. These controller genes dictate the status of other genes, whether they are activated (turned on) or dormant (turned off). All of our biological traits, processes, and structures are recorded in our genes and thus the controller gene may be thought of as "the boss" of them all. 

The process of evolution doesn't "teach" us anything --- men reach their own conclusions and hold fast to their own traditions and beliefs. That DNA exists is undisputable; that DNA changes over the course of many generations is also an established fact. Hence evolution is understood to be a process whereby life changes in response to variables present in the environment... mutation... genetic recombination occurring as a result of conception... and a host of other stimuli which falls beyond the scope of this post. It's possible to discuss attributes of the wheel without reinventing it.  

Accepting the evidence doesn't place one at odds with the Son of the living God. On the contrary: this is HIS creation! The Lord created DNA and He established the process of evolution. This process parallels the work of His blood and Holy Spirit in redeeming us and transforming us from glory to glory. Until we are with Him in fullness change is the rule of our walk with the Lord. We grow ever closer to Christ until our appointed time comes.  

I see opinion clarifying this is how God established the process of DNA but nowhere in Scripture can this be verified.   What I take from that is an opinion being forced into the concept of Creation, not Creation being established by the Word of God and verified by evolution.  And then you assure me it's true without Scriptural proof.  In fact, nowhere in the Word of God does it explain for us to accept the views of man.   This has to include the word of Science.   What obviously appears to me are the inhabitants of the Land of Nod vs Adam and Eve.  It seems due to much assumption this is where you are able to fit in your Theories.  But nowhere within that "gap" does the Word of God indicate an allowance of your theories.   And if your theories are correct about Evolution, then it is impossible for Adam to be the first human on this planet.

 

Does this now open the doorway to Genesis 1:1 of a completed Earth with life, then "Ice Age, and leads us into verse 2 of Adam's Creation?