Why I do not believe evolution diminishes God

[David1701]

3 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

(Denial of evidence for evolution)

See above.  Your fellow YE creationists disagree with you.

Well, let's take a look.  Wise writes:

"Evidence for not just one but for all three of the species level and above types of stratomorphic intermediates expected by macroevolutionary theory is surely strong evidence for macroevolutionary theory. Creationists therefore need to accept this fact. "(p.219)

https://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j09_2/j09_2_216-222.pdf

Yes, I know that he wrote that as well; but the first sentence of the paper means that you have to read "... assuming the evolutionary interpretations..." in all such statements.  It is understood.

[Deadworm]

the greatest evil in the church is the Domino Theory of Scripture, Jerry Falwell's view that if you can't believe that God created the world in 7 24-hour days, you should reject all of Scripture, including Jesus as your Lord and Savior.  Millions of our brightest Christian youth have rejected Christ for precisely this reason.  Many evangelicals would rather feel "right" about their simplistic theology than get people saved!  Chuck Templeton, founder of Youth for Christ and an evangelistic considered in his day more promising than his close friend Billy Graham fell prey to this evil perspective.  Chuck succumbed to the Domino theory, felt intellectually obligated to reject a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation story, and reject his faith in Christ.  My fellow Canadian seminarians at Princeton Seminary got tapes of Church's sermons and were brought to tears by how well Chuck preached the Gospel with great power and conviction.  

Let me add that the most respected defender of evolution in America is a devout Catholic named Dr.  Kenneth Miller, who has authored high school and college texts on the subject.  It is Dr. Miller who is usually called to defend the teaching of evolution in schools in court cases and he just shreds evangelical creationists.  I challenge readers to watch any of his lengthy youtube lectures on evolution, including his videos on how he reconciles evolution with his Christian faith.  Few evangelicals are honest enough to get beyond their myopic creationist Ghettos and launch and honest and open inquiry into how experts like Miller defend evolution.

In a future post here, the OP will at last get a defense on biblical grounds.

 

  

[David1701]

5 hours ago, Deadworm said:

the greatest evil in the church is the Domino Theory of Scripture, Jerry Falwell's view that if you can't believe that God created the world in 7 24-hour days, you should reject all of Scripture, including Jesus as your Lord and Savior.  Millions of our brightest Christian youth have rejected Christ for precisely this reason.  Many evangelicals would rather feel "right" about their simplistic theology than get people saved!  Chuck Templeton, founder of Youth for Christ and an evangelistic considered in his day more promising than his close friend Billy Graham fell prey to this evil perspective.  Chuck succumbed to the Domino theory, felt intellectually obligated to reject a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation story, and reject his faith in Christ.  My fellow Canadian seminarians at Princeton Seminary got tapes of Church's sermons and were brought to tears by how well Chuck preached the Gospel with great power and conviction.  

Let me add that the most respected defender of evolution in America is a devout Catholic named Dr.  Kenneth Miller, who has authored high school and college texts on the subject.  It is Dr. Miller who is usually called to defend the teaching of evolution in schools in court cases and he just shreds evangelical creationists.  I challenge readers to watch any of his lengthy youtube lectures on evolution, including his videos on how he reconciles evolution with his Christian faith.  Few evangelicals are honest enough to get beyond their myopic creationist Ghettos and launch and honest and open inquiry into how experts like Miller defend evolution.

In a future post here, the OP will at last get a defense on biblical grounds.

 

  

Evolution, the teaching of which has existed since ancient pagan myths, was popularised by people whose aim was to reject God and creation.  The whole philosophical basis of evolutionary interpretations, is materialism.

Evolution is THE main reason why many young people, from Christian families, reject Christianity and become atheists.  They are taught evolution, and creation is mocked, in schools, colleges and universities.  If the parents and churches knew how to defend biblical creation better, then far fewer people would be deceived by molecules to man evolution.

I came from a background of agnosticism and studied biology, including evolution, at university.  It was the realisation that it CANNOT be true (initially due to irreducible complexity) that was one of the stepping stones that God used, which eventually led to me being saved by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ.

Evolution is one of the devil's main weapons against Christianity.

[Deadworm]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

David: "Evolution, the teaching of which has existed since ancient pagan myths, was popularised by people whose aim was to reject God and creation.  The whole philosophical basis of evolutionary interpretations, is materialism.

LOL, are you actually claiming that "ancient pagan myths" taught evolution through natural selection and genetic mutation?  Documentation, please!

 

[David1701]

1 minute ago, Deadworm said:

LOL, are you actually claiming that "ancient pagan myths" taught evolution through natural selection and genetic mutation?  Documentation, please!

Now, I think you realise that that is not what I'm claiming.  I said that ancient pagan myths taught evolution, not Darwinian evolution.

[Deadworm]

18 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Now, I think you realise that that is not what I'm claiming.  I said that ancient pagan myths taught evolution, not Darwinian evolution.

So why are you ducking my challenge that you document your claim?

[David1701]

9 minutes ago, Deadworm said:

So why are you ducking my challenge that you document your claim?

Your challenge was spurious.  Since I am not claiming what you said, and since I do not subscribe to that view, why should I attempt to document it?  Surely you must realise that there are different views, even within a belief in evolution.

If you want to read an article about ancient pagan views of evolution and long ages, here is a link.

https://creation.com/evolution-ancient-pagan-idea

[Don19]

Macroevolution is not possible; frankly, it's a ridiculous theory. God truly has made foolish the wisdom of the world! It's fun to laugh at evolution. But whatever you want to say about biology, and whatever specious arguments you want to present for it, it fails because evolutionists don't have millions or billions of years to work with. I can't post YouTube videos here, but go on YouTube and search for "What You Aren't Being Told About Astronomy - Vol. I (Our Created Solar System)" (Vol. 2 is also on YouTube, about the starts and galaxies). The presenter, Spike Psarris, just goes through the whole solar system and explains why it cannot be billions of year old, and must be young, due to the observations of pretty much everything we see in our own solar system, and the rest of the universe itself. The earth itself cannot be billions of years old, as the magnetic field is decaying far too rapidly. Projected backwards 20,000 years, and the earth is liquefied due to the heat! LOL. And there are many more forms of evidence. http://creationwiki.org/Young_earth_evidence

Edited July 26, 2020 by Don19

[Deadworm]

Thanks for providing the online source for your claim.

 

Back to this thread's subject, the creation text that is most compatible with evolution is Proverbs 8:30-31 [New Jerusalem Bible]:

"I [Wisdom] was beside the master craftsman, delighting him day after day, ever at play in his presence, at play everywhere on his earth, delighting to be with the children of men."

Wisdom personified speaks as if she were a distinct aspect of the Godhead.  In Luke 11:49 "Sophia (= Wisdom pesonfied) speaks through Jesus Such speeches by Wisdom inspire the earliest reference to "the Trinity" ("trinas"): "God, God's Word [Christ], and God's Wisdom"(not "the Holy Spirit"--Theophilus, Bishop of Antioch--180 AD).  Similarly, the Johannine hymn acclaims Christ as "the Logos," the rational Self-expression of God as opposed to God in His unknowability.  Why apparently distinguish Lady Wisdom from the monotheistic God?  Wisdom stands for the orderliness of the created and moral order, and so, Her function resembles that of "Mother Nature."  Practically speaking, Wisdom represents the rational laws of Nature that God establishes and then leaves these laws to evolve into the universe as we know it.  Notice that Wisdom's role in the world's craftsmanship is poetically characterized as divine "play."  Though this image does not teach evolution, it is poetically compatible with seemingly random creation experiments, e. g. mass extinctions and evolutionary dead ends, phenomena that are standard aspects of evolution.  How this model might be reconciled with a poetic understanding of the Genesis creation story will be the subject of my next planned post.

[Wesley L]

On 5/14/2020 at 8:43 PM, one.opinion said:

Regardless of what you think about the rest of my argument for evolution as a tool in the hands of an almighty Creator, I hope the reader understands why I don't see evolution as any sort of limit on God's power.

Interesting thought. But, evolution teaches that humans came from monkeys. 
That causes a problem, who was Adam? A human, half human monkey? So adam was the first monkey? or the first to be called a human? Were those monkeys or half humans before adam saved or not saved? Will we see them in heaven? Will they be able to speak?
It confuses. God is not a God of confusion.

A monkey is an animal, a human is a different kind, created in the image of God.
Are monkeys created in the image of God? That is not right.

Evolution is still called a theory. Meaning unproven. The theory is incomplete and when looking at it with unbiased discernment, you can see the flaws of this theory. Even in a laboratory we can't change one kind to another kind. 

Evolution teaches a trial and error system. God doesn't do trial and error.

Evolution theory certainly won't limit God's power. But is contradicts God's attributes and thus I belief it is false.

 

Edited July 26, 2020 by Wesley L