Rapture before the antichrist in Matthew 24

[The Light]

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

The Church is not going through the Wrath, the REMNANT Church {Rev. 12:17, the 5 Virgins who tarried} are being Martyred by the Anti-Christ, because they did not have their Lamps full, thus they missed the Marriage call, the DOORS were shut on them. Don't you see Chapter 25 is the next chapter ? The Parable of the 10 Virgins !! 5 have LIGHT in their Lantern's and 5 Don't. In Matt. 24:36-51 one is TAKEN and one is LEFT. 

 

 

Hope you are feeling better brother. As to the Remnant Church, there is no such thing. Rev 12:17 is about the seed of the woman. Gentiles are not the see of the woman. The seed of the woman is the 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth. There are Jews all over the world. That is the seed of the woman, whose blindness will have been removed when the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. The happens in the pretrib rapture before the seals are opened. It says blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. The blindness will be removed from part of Israel, that is the scattered 12 tribes. The nation of Israel will still be blind at this point in time.

Rom 11

²⁵ For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Now lets look at those virgins. They did not know the Lord, they were not born again and didn't have the Holy Spirit. (no oil in their lantern's) The doors are shut.

Matt 25

¹¹ Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

¹² But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Further if we look at the verses right before the virgins we see this:

Matt 24

⁴⁸ But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

⁴⁹ And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

⁵⁰ The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

⁵¹ And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

13 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

[The Light]

14 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

I knew what you meant, that is why I answered like that....explain why a RAPTURE is needed if Jesus is coming to earth to rule 1000 years ? , that is a strange concept. 

AFTER verse 14.........from 15-31 is the tribulation, but the Second Coming doesn't happen in Rev. 6, it happens in Rev. 16:19.

 

 

A rapture is needed because the people of God are not appointed to wrath. The tribulation is NOT in the same time frame as God's wrath. That's why Paul says:

2 Thes 2

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

² That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

He is telling the people, don't be afraid, you have not missed the gathering. The day of Christ is not at hand. Things must happen 1st. You are not in the day of the Lord, the day of His wrath.

The gathering will happen before the day of the Lord. Here is the gathering.

Matthew 24

³⁰ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

³¹ And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

It is NOT the second coming, It is NOT the second coming, It is NOT the second coming, it is the gathering. It is the same gathering that you see here.

Rev 14

¹⁴ And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

¹⁵ And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

¹⁶ And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

¹⁷ And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

¹⁸ And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

¹⁹ And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

After the gathering, the wrath of God begins----and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

It's the same gathering that occurs here.

Rev 6

¹⁴ And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

¹⁵ And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

¹⁶ And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

¹⁷ For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

How do you know that there is a gathering in Rev 6?

Rev 6

¹² And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

¹³ And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Matt 24

²⁹ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

³⁰ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

When the stars fall from heaven, that the angels falling. How many times are you going to let the stars fall from heaven. It is the same event in Rev 6 as it is in Matt 24.

Here is the war in heaven in Dan 12

12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

² And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

The angels fall from heaven and we see the graves open. The graves are opened when Jesus comes for the gathering. Then the wrath of God begins (just like in the other examples)

Then how long till the end of these things?

a time, times, and an half. 1260 days.

This has nothing to do with the 1290 days and the 1335 days. These days occur during the 70th week, which is over when the tribulation is over. If you put the 1290 days after the 1185 when the sacrifice is taken away you will see that it is at the end of the week. The great tribulation is 45 days long (1335-1290).

If you would merely put things where God says they go, every thing lines up perfectly. The tribulation period is the 70th week, the time of Jacobs trouble. That is when God has turned His attention to the Jews. Which is after the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, (pretrib rapture before the seals are opened) Then the gathering you see in Matt 24 (not the second coming), the gathering, when Jesus is still in the clouds, occurs just before Gods wrath. Only the nation of Israel is left on earth with the unbelievers and the fallen angels to go through the wrath of God. And we know those in Israel will flee to a place of protection.

Learn the parable of the fig tree, it has two harvests. One will be like the days of Noah and one will be like the days of Lot.

Edited March 21, 2020 by The Light

[Revelation Man]

32 minutes ago, The Light said:

Hope you are feeling better brother. As to the Remnant Church, there is no such thing. Rev 12:17 is about the seed of the woman.

I told you about that Rooster....

Let me prove the REMNANT can't be Jews, then you will have to agree with me, its the Remnant Church. Even if under protest. He he.

The Woman (Israel) who FLEES to Petra will nit be harmed right? So the 1/3 is PROTECTED by God Himself in Petra. The 2/3 who refuse to Repent will thus PERISH according to Zechariah 13:8-8-9. so neither can be THE REMNANT that is spoken of can they? Don't see it? WATCH.

Rev. 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth (A.C. Army).

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

See it now? The Dragon couldn't get at the woman {Israel who FLED Judea or the 1/3 who Fled Judea) so the 1/3 of the Jews who FLEE can't be the Remnant Seed and the 2/3 who do not Repent do not have the TESTIMONY of Jesus or keep the COMMANDMENTS of God, so they can't be the Remnant Seed either !! 

Rev. 12:17 And the dragon (Satan) was wroth with the woman(Israel), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (Jesus is HER SEED see Gal. 3:16), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Gal. 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

HER SEED is Jesus Christ, the REMNANT of her SEED is the Gentile Church on earth !! It can't be the Jews because God PROTECTS the 1/3 and Satan gets ANGRY, then he goes after the REMNANT and it can't be the 2/3 because they do not KEEP God's Commandments of God NOR do they have the Testimony of Jesus. {Rooster theory ENGAGED}. 

1 hour ago, The Light said:

Gentiles are not the see of the woman. The seed of the woman is the 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth. There are Jews all over the world. That is the seed of the woman, whose blindness will have been removed when the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. The happens in the pretrib rapture before the seals are opened. It says blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. The blindness will be removed from part of Israel, that is the scattered 12 tribes. The nation of Israel will still be blind at this point in time.

Rom 11

²⁵ For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Now lets look at those virgins. They did not know the Lord, they were not born again and didn't have the Holy Spirit. (no oil in their lantern's) The doors are shut.

Matt 25

¹¹ Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

¹² But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Further if we look at the verses right before the virgins we see this:

Matt 24

⁴⁸ But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

⁴⁹ And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

⁵⁰ The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

⁵¹ And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Israel as a Nation is blended, not as individuals per se. And there are no lost tribes. Israel currently has all the tribes in Israel, there were never any LOST TRIBES of Israel. There are Jews all around the world, but they are not Lost Tribes, every Tribe lives in Israel as we speak. And above I prove the Remnant can't be the JEWS, its the Gentile Church, the Rapture happens pre 70th week. THEN the Jews Blindness as a NATION is lifted when 1/3 of the Nation accepts Jesus as their Messiah, thus when he RETURNS they will say Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. 

I am doing better today, my sugar was up yesterday....I was a naughty boy eating Marshmellows and Ice Cream.

[Revelation Man]

20 minutes ago, The Light said:

A rapture is needed because the people of God are not appointed to wrath. The tribulation is NOT in the same time frame as God's wrath. That's why Paul says:

I know a Pre Trib Rapture happens, but none is needed as Jesus returns at the end of the 70th week, which is what Matt. 24:29-31 is

 

58 minutes ago, The Light said:

The gathering will happen before the day of the Lord. Here is the gathering.

Matthew 24

³⁰ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

³¹ And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

It is NOT the second coming, It is NOT the second coming, It is NOT the second coming, it is the gathering. It is the same gathering that you see here.

The rapture IS NOT this Gathering, this is the Second Coming, repeat as you will, its not going to change those facts brother.

1 hour ago, The Light said:

Rev 6

¹⁴ And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

¹⁵ And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

¹⁶ And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

¹⁷ For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

How do you know that there is a gathering in Rev 6?

Rev 6

¹² And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

¹³ And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

And you misconstrue these two verses......passages.

1 hour ago, The Light said:

Matt 24

²⁹ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

³⁰ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

When the stars fall from heaven, that the angels falling. How many times are you going to let the stars fall from heaven. It is the same event in Rev 6 as it is in Matt 24.

The Troubles of Jacob last 3.5 years, you do understand that right ? 1260 days. So IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Day of the Lord STARTS.....Immediately after the tribulation of those days are UPON Israel, they Flee Judea, the 6th Seal is opened, it all happens on ONE DAY as per the opening of the Seals. So the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem AND the 6th Seal is opened. You are looking at this like men, trying to weave it together, God is giving US the "PLAY in WRITTEN FORM"

Immediately after the Seals 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 are opened SEAL 6 makes the Sun and Moon go dark..............AND THEN.........3.5 years later....Jesus shows up in the Eastern Skies. You and others try to make God give the FULL DETAILS in Prophecy, but God does it His way, not our way. He give us VAGUE GLIMPSES. No play by play calls of the coming episodes, else it would take a month to give a months play by play, it takes 4 hours to give play by play on a football game give or take a few minutes. It takes 10 minutes for me to RECAP the game, BUT you will not get all the DETAILS !! Well, this is the same thing, God is giving us a preview of a RECAP, nit the actual PLAY BY PLAY. 

You are getting the 3.5 years in TWO VERSES, you just don't perceive that as such. 

1 hour ago, The Light said:

Here is the war in heaven in Dan 12

12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

² And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

The angels fall from heaven and we see the graves open. The graves are opened when Jesus comes for the gathering. Then the wrath of God begins (just like in the other examples)

Then how long till the end of these things?

a time, times, and an half. 1260 days.

The Rapture happens BEFORE THIS..........The 1290 is in the Middle of the week. This matches Rev. 12 where the Woman Flees for 1260 days.

1 hour ago, The Light said:

This has nothing to do with the 1290 days and the 1335 days. These days occur during the 70th week, which is over when the tribulation is over. If you put the 1290 days after the 1185 when the sacrifice is taken away you will see that it is at the end of the week. The great tribulation is 45 days long (1335-1290).

If you would merely put things where God says they go, every thing lines up perfectly. The tribulation period is the 70th week, the time of Jacobs trouble. That is when God has turned His attention to the Jews. Which is after the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, (pretrib rapture before the seals are opened) Then the gathering you see in Matt 24 (not the second coming), the gathering, when Jesus is still in the clouds, occurs just before Gods wrath. Only the nation of Israel is left on earth with the unbelievers and the fallen angels to go through the wrath of God. And we know those in Israel will flee to a place of protection.

Learn the parable of the fig tree, it has two harvests. One will be like the days of Noah and one will be like the days of Lot.

Like I stated earlier, you do not grasp what the 1290 and 1335 actually means. 

I explained them to you, when you get to Heaven you will see I was right. God Bless.

[Last Daze]

8 hours ago, Traveler said:

The trumpets and the bowls are not the same Make a list of the trumpets and a list of the bowls and compare them side by side, you will see that they are not the same. The trumpets are the warnings while the bowls or vials are the full punishment poured out.

There are seven plagues.  That's it.  Each one begins with a trumpet and ends with a bowl being poured out.

• Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished.  Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God, who lives forever and ever.  Revelation 15:1,7

I agree that the trumpets and bowls are not the same but they are related in that they are bookends of the same plague.  The similarities are there.  One plague does not have to end before the next one starts until you get to the three woes, the three last plagues.

[The Light]

8 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

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No, the 12 tribes are not the seed of the woman, absolutely, the woman is the mother of the MAN child, it's it. The 12 tribes are seed of Jacob, who is of the seed of Isaak and Abraham.

No, you are in error. The seed of the woman determines whether a child is Jewish. If a child is born of a Jewish father and a Christian mother, the child is not a Jew. If a child is born of a Christian father and a Jewish mother, the child is a Jew.  

The Code of Jewish Law clearly states that a child of a Jewish mother is Jewish, regardless of the father’s lineage (or whatever else may show up in a DNA test), while the child of a non-Jewish mother is not Jewish.1 Matrilineal descent has been a fundamental principle of Torah since the Jewish people came into existence.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/601092/jewish/Why-Is-Jewishness-Matrilineal.htm

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  The tribes of Israel were banned of their land and were scattered from the year 70AD until 1.948, 1.878 years of grave punishments in accord Deut.28:v.15-68, understand? God permitted the return of Israel to their land and restituted the nation to the tribes as a modern state, in fulfilment the things written in the OT and NT, mainly in the book of Revelation.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the question at hand. There are Jews all over the world, and their lineage is determined by the seed of the woman. Where the dragon seeks to destroy the woman and can't because she has fled to a place of protection, the dragon goes after the remnant of her seed, which are the Jewish people around the world that still live.

 

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   I work with the Word of God.  The Word is God.  Great mystery and Marvelous. The most important is to speak of the Word of God with Truth and in accord His righteous Judgments, not to speak of speculative interpretations and opinions based in speculations. Fears God. God will require it in the current time.

I am not giving you a speculative interpretation. I am giving you a FACT and have provided a proper link for you to examine. The seed of the woman determines whether a person is Jewish.

 

 

[The Light]

20 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

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I told you about that Rooster....

Let me prove the REMNANT can't be Jews, then you will have to agree with me, its the Remnant Church. Even if under protest. He he.

The Woman (Israel) who FLEES to Petra will nit be harmed right? So the 1/3 is PROTECTED by God Himself in Petra. The 2/3 who refuse to Repent will thus PERISH according to Zechariah 13:8-8-9. so neither can be THE REMNANT that is spoken of can they?

 

Can you show me in the Bible where it says that the woman flees to Petra? I'm not saying they don't, I am just unaware of any scripture that confirms this.

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Don't see it? WATCH.

Rev. 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth (A.C. Army).

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

See it now? The Dragon couldn't get at the woman {Israel who FLED Judea or the 1/3 who Fled Judea) so the 1/3 of the Jews who FLEE can't be the Remnant Seed and the 2/3 who do not Repent do not have the TESTIMONY of Jesus or keep the COMMANDMENTS of God, so they can't be the Remnant Seed either !! 

 

The Gentile Church will be raptured pre trib, before the seals are opened. Those which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony Jesus Christ are the Jews that are scattered across the earth, as their blindness will be removed when the fullness of the Gentile (rapture) comes in. They are the seed of the woman. They are the Remnant Seed because many will be killed during the 70th week (which ends BEFORE the wrath of God begins. In fact the woman flees when the abomination of desolation is set up. That's when the great tribulation starts. Unless these days are cut short there would be no flesh saved. That means that there would be nobody alive to be caught up to salvation in the pre wrath rapture. That's why the scattered Jews are called the remnant. Most of them have been killed by this point.

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Rev. 12:17 And the dragon (Satan) was wroth with the woman(Israel), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (Jesus is HER SEED see Gal. 3:16), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Gal. 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

HER SEED is Jesus Christ, the REMNANT of her SEED is the Gentile Church on earth !! It can't be the Jews because God PROTECTS the 1/3 and Satan gets ANGRY, then he goes after the REMNANT and it can't be the 2/3 because they do not KEEP God's Commandments of God NOR do they have the Testimony of Jesus. {Rooster theory ENGAGED}. 

 

I am aware of these verses, however, there is no Remnant Gentile Church. When the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, pre trib rapture, the doors are shut. Christ will say I know you not. They are not Christians as they do not have the Holy Spirit. The Remnant seed of the woman is the Jews that are scattered across the earth that are still alive when the abomination of desolation is set up.

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Israel as a Nation is blended, not as individuals per se. And there are no lost tribes. Israel currently has all the tribes in Israel, there were never any LOST TRIBES of Israel. There are Jews all around the world, but they are not Lost Tribes, every Tribe lives in Israel as we speak. And above I prove the Remnant can't be the JEWS, its the Gentile Church, the Rapture happens pre 70th week. THEN the Jews Blindness as a NATION is lifted when 1/3 of the Nation accepts Jesus as their Messiah, thus when he RETURNS they will say Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. 

No the nation of Israel does not have it's blindness removed when the rest of the scattered Jews receive the knowledge of Christ. The timing of the 144,000 first fruits prove this, as does the fact that the nation of Israel is not caught up in the pre wrath rapture with the dead and the alive remnant. The nation of Israel goes through the wrath of God. 

Romans 11

²⁵ For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

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I am doing better today, my sugar was up yesterday....I was a naughty boy eating Marshmellows and Ice Cream.

Glad to hear you are feeling better. But marshmallows and ice cream sure sound good.

 

Edited March 22, 2020 by The Light

[The Light]

12 hours ago, Traveler said:

 

 

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hThe events shown in those seals are currently in full swing. Think of the first white horse in the seals as the expansion of the European colonial empires into the rest of the world.

No seals have been opened. The timing of the seals is the 70th week of Daniel. As to the 1st seal, the white horse, it is the false Christ, a person, not empires.

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The trumpets and the bowls are not the same Make a list of the trumpets and a list of the bowls and compare them side by side, you will see that they are not the same.

They are a different view of the same event, that is, unless you can explain how the 200,000,000 man army kills a third of mankind, at the 6th trumpet, before the 6th angel pour out the bowl to make the way for the army to cross the Euphrates. Additionally you would need to explain how the wrath of God begins with the 1st Trumpet and then begins again at the end of Rev 14. You would also have to explain how the mystery of God is finished and the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our God when the 7th angel blows his trumpet and yet you say the bowls are yet to come.

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The trumpets are the warnings while the bowls or vials are the full punishment poured out.

This sure looks like a hefty warning. And this is just one trumpet.

Rev 9

¹⁸ By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

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There is a clear separation in time between where the Trumpets end and the Bowls begin

Not correct. The bowls are just a different view of what happens when the trumpets are blown, thats unless you can explain the things I put forth earlier.

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. The nation of Israel is no longer on the earth when the bowls of wrath are poured out. Only the kingdom of the beast remains on this earth at that time.

This is not correct. The woman, the nation of Israel is on the earth during the wrath of God.

Rev 12

⁶ And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

 

 

Edited March 22, 2020 by The Light

[The Light]

21 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

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The Troubles of Jacob last 3.5 years, you do understand that right ? 1260 days.

No brother, the time of Jacobs Trouble is 7 years. It is the 70th week of Daniel. The 1260 days are after the 70th week is over, (immediately after the tribulation of those days) Then the wrath of God begins. It is 1260 days long. We can prove this in Daniel 12. After the dead are raised there are 1260 more days to the end of these things. The dead are raised right after the war in heaven when the angels (stars) fall.

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So IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Day of the Lord STARTS.....Immediately after the tribulation of those days are UPON Israel

No, not immediately after the Day of the Lord starts. It's immediately after the tribulation of those days Jesus returns for the gathering, not the second coming. Why can't you see the signs of the sun, moon and falling stars in Matt 24 are the says signs of the sun, moon and falling starts in Rev 6. 

 

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, they Flee Judea, the 6th Seal is opened, it all happens on ONE DAY as per the opening of the Seals. So the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem AND the 6th Seal is opened. You are looking at this like men, trying to weave it together, God is giving US the "PLAY in WRITTEN FORM"

Immediately after the Seals 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 are opened SEAL 6 makes the Sun and Moon go dark..............AND THEN.........3.5 years later....Jesus shows up in the Eastern Skies.

 

Oh my, you got it. I don't think you understand it, but you got it. What you said in these sentences is correct. However, immediately after the tribulation of those days, look at Matt 24, HE COMES IMMEDIATELY for the gathering. THEN HE COMES AGAIN 3.5 YEARS LATER, in Rev 19 at the end of the wrath of God. Rev 19 is the second coming.

 

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The Rapture happens BEFORE THIS..........The 1290 is in the Middle of the week. This matches Rev. 12 where the Woman Flees for 1260 days.

No sir. 1290 days is at the end the week as it is 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is taken away (day 1185). So 1185+1290= Day 2475. The week is 360 x 7 = 2520 days long and the abomination of desolation is set up on day 2475 making the great tribulation 45 days long.

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Like I stated earlier, you do not grasp what the 1290 and 1335 actually means. 

If you add day 1335 to day 1185 you get 2520 days which is when Christ returns for the gathering, not the second coming, the gathering. 3.5 years after the gathering (1260 days) then Jesus returns with his armies AFTER the wrath of God. The tribulation is 7 years long. The wrath of God is 1260 days long. We can prove all this by Daniel. We see a resurrection and then we see 1260 more days till the end of these things. The resurrection we see in Daniel 12 is the same coming of Jesus we see in Matt 24.

All this stuff is provable if you would only check the scriptures.

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I explained them to you, when you get to Heaven you will see I was right. God Bless.

The things you have explained to me are the things that I thought 5 years ago, so I am not having any trouble picking up what you are saying. Five or so years ago, I realized that the fig tree had two harvests. I realized that one coming was going to be a secret rapture when the Goodman will not know when he is coming. This is for the Gentile Church who can be kept from the hour of testing. It will be like the days of Noah. Then there is another coming of Jesus that will be like the days of Lot. This is a coming that is before the wrath of God as proven by Rev 6, Matt 24, Rev 14 and Daniel 12. This coming will be for the Jews that are across the earth. The 144,000 first fruits prove this harvest. This harvest will not take the believers unaware. They will know that it occurs at the last trump, blown on the Feast of Trumpets. Only the nation of Israel and unbelievers go through the wrath of God and the nation of Israel will go to a place of protection for the 1260 days.

Pentecost is the early summer harvest feast. Has a harvest occurred? It will. The Feast of Trumpets is the fall fruit harvest. That's the harvest that you see in Rev 6, Rev 14, Matt 24 and Dan 12.

 

Edited March 22, 2020 by The Light

[Revelation Man]

6 hours ago, The Light said:

Can you show me in the Bible where it says that the woman flees to Petra? I'm not saying they don't, I am just unaware of any scripture that confirms this.

 

Sure brother. In Daniel 11:40-43 we see that all of the Mediterranean Sea Region is Conquered, SAVE....41...........but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

This is Central and Southern Jordan, or the Petra/Bozrah area of modern day Jordan. 

Where she has a place
Ὅπυ ἔχει ἐκεῖ τόπον [Hopu echei ekei topon] , where she is having there (a) place. This appears to speak of a specific location within the wilderness, rather than merely fleeing to the wilderness in general. This is “her place” which the eagle takes her to (Rev. Rev. 12:14). It is a specific place which was prepared beforehand by God (Rev. Rev. 12:6).

Does Scripture give any indication where her place might be? Some think not:

Petra, the ruins of an ancient city of Edom carved out of rock and protected by high mountain walls and with a narrow access, has been a suggested location of the “place,” but this is pure speculation. The only stipulation possible is that it is a place of refuge for converted Israel during the last half of the seventieth week.

While we agree that the precise identification of Petra as the place of refuge is difficult to assert dogmatically, we disagree that it is “pure speculation.” There are numerous passages which pertain to the flight of the remnant {DIFFERENT Remnant than the one spoken of in Rev. 12} and her divine protection in the wilderness. Given the importance of the preservation of a Jewish remnant, we should not be surprised by this. However, many of the passages are obscure and occur within settings which have both a local and a far-future reference and distinguishing between the two can be quite difficult. We offer some of these passages below in the hopes that they will prompt further study of this matter.

In the midst of a passage by Isaiah describing a time of destruction coming upon the people of Moab during which they would court Zion’s favor for refuge, there is a stunning reversal in the scene:

Take counsel, execute judgment; make your shadow like the night in the middle of the day; hide the outcasts, do not betray him who escapes. Let My outcasts dwell with you, O Moab; be a shelter to them from the face [presence cf. Rev. Rev. 12:14+] of the spoiler. For the extortioner is at an end, devastation ceases, oppressors are consumed out of the land. In mercy the throne will be established; and One will sit on it in truth, in the tabernacle of David, judging and seeking justice and hastening righteousness. (Isa. Isa. 16:3-5) [emphasis add]

Isaiah reverses the context and appeals to Moab for the protection of “My outcasts” (Israel). The context is a time of intense persecution and destruction which is followed by the just reign of Messiah upon the throne of David—the Millennial Kingdom.

Let mine outcasts dwell (sojourn) with thee, Moab (the KJV correctly follows the [Masoretic Text], as over against the LXX, Syriac, and Targum, who render it: “the outcasts of Moab”). . . . The LORD was saying to Moab, through the Spirit of prophecy in Isaiah, “When My people Israel will be outcasts, be a haven to them, hiding them from their persecutors.” Envisioned is that preeminent time of Israel’s trouble, the Great Tribulation . . . under Antichrist, Israel’s supreme “destroyer” (Rev. Rev. 12:6+-Rev. 13:18+). . . . At the height of that persecution of the Jewish remnant, Christ will return in glory to sit upon His throne and judge the nations (Mtt. Mat. 25:46).

The passage describes the path by which Moab should have sent its tribute of lambs to the king of Israel. “From Sela to the wilderness to the mount of the daughter of Zion Jerusalem” (Isa. Isa. 16:1 cf. 2K. 2K. 3:4-5). Sela means “Rock” and is understood to be a reference to Petra. Could it be that the path by which the Moabites should have sent lambs from Petra via the wilderness to Jerusalem is to be retraced by the sheep of Israel who are scattered in the time of the end (Zec. Zec. 13:7-9)?

This occurs during the time when the Lord is testing those who dwell upon the earth (Rev. Rev. 3:10+). During this time, the faithful remnant will be hidden in their chambers (The 1/3 who Repent will be HIDDEN or Protected)—reminiscent to the time of the Passover in Egypt:

Come, my people, enter your chambers, and shut your doors behind you; hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, until the indignation is past. For behold, the Lord comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; the earth will also disclose her blood, and will no more cover her slain. (Isa. Isa. 26:20-21)

Daniel informs us that the domain of the Antichrist will have the following exceptions: “He shall also enter the Glorious Land, and many countries shall be overthrown; but these shall escape from his hand: Edom, Moab, and the prominent people of Ammon” (Dan. Dan. 11:41). For some reason the Antichrist is unable to overthrow these regions which include both Bozrah and Petra.

Bozrah, the ancient capital of Edom, is without a doubt to be identified with the modern village of Buseirah, which is located in N Edom (M.R. 208018). It guards both the Kings’ Highway (the major N-S route through Transjordan) and a major route W to the Wadi Arabah and thence to the Negeb and S Judah. It is also within striking distance of the Edomite copper mines in the Wadi Dana and Wadi Feinan some 10-15 km SSW. No water source has been found within the site, the main supply probably being the spring at `Ain Jenin, about one km E, which until recently was also the source for the modern village.6

Interestingly, several Second Coming passages also indicate that God is seen coming from these regions:
Who is this who comes from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah, this One who is glorious in His apparel, traveling in the greatness of His strength? -“I who speak in righteousness, mighty to save.” Why is Your apparel red, and Your garments like one who treads in the winepress? “I have trodden the winepress alone, and from the peoples no one was with Me. For I have trodden them in My anger, and trampled them in My fury; their blood is sprinkled upon My garments, and I have stained all My robes. For the day of vengeance is in My heart, and the year of My redeemed has come.” (Isa. Isa. 63:1-4)

God came from Teman, the Holy One from Mount Paran. Selah His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of His praise. (Hab. Hab. 3:3)

The prophet, under the form of a theophany, was given a vision of the second advent of the Messiah . . . seen coming from Teman, a district of Edom, poetically the part standing for the whole, . . . advancing from Mount Paran , the hilly country between Edom and Sinai (Deu. Deu. 33:2). Isaiah, in a vision of the second advent, similarly beheld the Messiah advancing in judgment upon His foes “from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah” (Isa. Isa. 63:1-6). 

In the Psalms, mention is made of the nation being led to Edom during a time when God has cast Israel off and is seeking help from trouble. God is appealed to as the one who will tread down (cf. Isa. Isa. 63:1-6) Israel’s enemies:
Who will bring me to the strong city? Who will lead me to Edom? Is it not You, O God, who cast us off? And You, O God, who did not go out with our armies? Give us help from trouble, for the help of man is useless. Through God we will do valiantly, for it is He who shall tread down our enemies. (Ps. Ps. 60:9-12 cf. Ps. Ps. 108:10-13) 

The reference to “strong city” is thought to refer to Petra, Ps. 31:21; 2K. 2K. 14:7)”8 , also known as Sela:
Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar inhabits. Let the inhabitants of Sela sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. Let them give glory to the LORD, and declare His praise in the coastlands. The LORD shall go forth like a mighty man; He shall stir up His zeal like a man of war. He shall cry out, yes, shout aloud; He shall prevail against His enemies. (Isa. Isa. 42:11-13) 

Petra is located in a basin within Mount Seir, and is totally surrounded by mountains and cliffs. The only way in and out of the city is through a narrow passageway that extends for about a mile and can only be negotiated by foot or by horseback. This makes the city easy to defend, and its surrounding high cliffs give added meaning and confirmation to Isaiah Isa. 33:16 . . . The name Bozrah means “sheepfold.” An ancient sheepfold had a narrow entrance so that the shepherd could count his sheep. Once inside the fold, the sheep had more room to move around. Petra is shaped like a giant sheepfold, with its narrow passage opening up to a spacious circle surrounded by cliffs.

Micah describes an assembly of Jacob, a remnant, which will be gathered into a fold (bozrah). The one who breaks them out is clearly a reference to Messiah, the Good Shepherd: I will surely assemble all of you, O Jacob, I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together like sheep of the fold [בָּצְרָה [bāṣerâ] ], like a flock in the midst of their pasture; they shall make a loud noise because of so many people. The one who breaks open will come up before them; they will break out, pass through the gate, and go out by it; their king will pass before them, with the LORD at their head. (Mic. Mic. 2:12-13) 

The LORD will “gather” from their worldwide, age-long Diaspora the elect “remnant,” which will survive “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jer. Jer. 30:5-7), the Great Tribulation (Rev. Rev. 8:1+-Rev. 20:3+), preceding the establishment of the Kingdom over Israel (Rev. Rev. 20:4-6+; Acts Acts 1:7). . . . The saved remnant will be the nucleus of the millennial Kingdom. The LORD declared, I will put them together like the sheep of Bozrah (a region in Edom well known as a sheep-raising center). . . . They (the returning remnant of Israel) will follow “the breaker,” the Messiah, who will break through and open the way, going up before them. They, following Him, will break through the gate and go out from their captivity to glorious freedom.10

An appreciation of the ultimate setting of the previous passage sheds new light on the familiar teaching of Jesus:
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers. (John John 10:1-5)

Will the Jewish remnant of the time of the end be in such a physical “sheepfold” of sorts? Will they be reading these very words of Jesus penned by John thousands of years before their situation—waiting for the “shepherd of the sheep” to bring out his own sheep? Only time will tell.
These references to Edom and Bozrah are indicators that at the Second Coming, God has business to take care of in Edom. That business involves the defense of his sheep, the Jewish remnant represented by the woman who flees the dragon. See Campaign of Armageddon.

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This is my go to source on the subject since its all encompassing on the subject, as you can see. This is why I usually mention the Fleeing place of the Jewish peoples or the 1/3 who flee as the Petra/Bozrah area. 

This is why Jesus comes in the Eastern Skies, he goes to Petra/Bozrah and BRINGS Israel with him to Mt. Zion after he Defeats those at Armageddon, thus his Garments are soiled like red wine. {Metaphorically speaking}. I had studied this way before I found this article years ago, my Google searching found this article, so it goes hand in hand. Hard work is rewarded sometimes with a nice tidy little package one can save. He he.