Those Days Will Be Shortened

[childoftheking]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Wrong again. Can you just not follow what is written? Rev. 19:

⁶ And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

⁷ Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

⁸ And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

⁹ And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

¹⁰ And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

¹¹ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

John is still in heaven. He heard this great multitude in heaven. He hears the words that the marriage of the Lamb is come. John wrote what he heard and saw in heaven. That is how we know what he saw and heard. 

After the time for the marriage came, then it was the time for the supper. Note carefully: the time for the marriage supper CANNOT COME until the marriage is completed! 

What this is telling us is that the marriage and supper will take place IN HEAVEN before Jesus descends. False theories show up when texts must be rearranged to fit. 

Always remember, ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology is immediately suspect, and WILL BE proven wrong.

A post-trib theory must rearrange what is written to make it work. Your theory will be proven wrong.

WHO comes to the sheep and goat judgment? I think it is clear, all who are left alive in natural bodies on earth. WHEN is the sheep and goat judgment? I think it is clear: right after the battle of Armageddon. .

The post-trib theory then ROBS this judgment of any sheep: all the sheep will have received their resurrection bodies. there would be not sheep left in natural bodies. 

The truth is, the post-trib rapture doctrine is false.

 

The marriage takes place during the 1,000 year reign.   That does not happen until AFTER TRIBULATION!!

[childoftheking]

2 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

The question is do you rob God? or how do many believers rob God?  In Tithes and Offerings (Mal 3:6-12)  Do other Believers assemble each other, if not they also go against Scripture.  Some Believers who seem to talk with authority, neglect these two simple truths, they rob God, and they are not accountable to other Believers.  If this is the case, can we believe these some who think they talk with authority.  Bonkers.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

It's not my duty to judge others unless it's an obvious offence to God.   And then it's not an act of judgement, but an act of reprimanding.  We are to help one another (lay your life down for your fellow Believers if necessary)(see a need you can help with)(edify your Brothers and Sisters).

 

But, if someone is not willing to research the Truths (I get asked, why does the Hebrew say this and my English Bible claims this?), there is not much you can do but just encourage them.

 

As far as robbing God, anyone who believes the Canon put together under the authority of Constantine is the absolute truth, is not robbing God, but robbing themselves of God's entire truth!!   Constantine already robbed God.   Some today are just ABETTING Constantine due to ignorance.   And therefore, they are helping to further the robbing of God committed by Constantine!!

Edited May 6, 2019 by childoftheking

[Montana Marv]

56 minutes ago, childoftheking said:

 

It's not my duty to judge others unless it's an obvious offence to God.   And then it's not an act of judgement, but an act of reprimanding.  We are to help one another (lay your life down for your fellow Believers if necessary)(see a need you can help with)(edify your Brothers and Sisters).

 

But, if someone is not willing to research the Truths (I get asked, why does the Hebrew say this and my English Bible claims this?), there is not much you can do but just encourage them.

 

As far as robbing God, anyone who believes the Canon put together under the authority of Constantine is the absolute truth, is not robbing God, but robbing themselves of God's entire truth!!   Constantine already robbed God.   Some today are just ABETTING Constantine due to ignorance.   And therefore, they are helping to further the robbing of God committed by Constantine!!

It is my observation that many or few who stand on soap boxes usually have great understanding, but it truly understanding or a missed narrative.

These same individuals lack proper guidance. They refuse to give God. They refuse to support the Bride. Thus they are cursed according to the Scriptures. Should I believe what these people say, NO.

Just trying to see if what boat some are in. Do they really trust God. Do they give their scraps to God.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[childoftheking]

22 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

It is my observation that many or few who stand on soap boxes usually have great understanding, but it truly understanding or a missed narrative.

These same individuals lack proper guidance. They refuse to give God. They refuse to support the Bride. Thus they are cursed according to the Scriptures. Should I believe what these people say, NO.

Just trying to see if what boat some are in. Do they really trust God. Do they give their scraps to God.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

You have avoided giving a DIRECT ANSWER every time I specifically asked this question.   You have a complete circular logic.   That is not even biblical nor what the Word of God indicates.   It's like in Job where God claims He hung the Earth.   Circular logic believes, this means the Earth is being held by strings.   But God does not specify how the Earth is Hung, we obviously know it is BY HIS WORD, not by strings.

 

if you believe Constantine did no wrong and your Bible has every book it needs, even though we know within these 66 Books of the KJV it speaks of several other books (which the council denies), that is cool.  You would think any mention of Jasher, Enoch, Ascension of Isaiah would have been removed.   Why would your current Canon speak of these Books used by God's Chosen People and NOT BE FOUND in your current Canon?

 

That reveals mischief and wrong doing on many levels.   But if being blind serves your purpose, then I pray you become blind as a bat!!

[childoftheking]

Or, maybe I am misunderstanding you!!

 

It's probably the not giving a direct response that has given me the wrong impression.

I would rather believe that than what I ^ posted!!

Edited May 6, 2019 by childoftheking

[iamlamad]

10 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

The question is do you rob God? or how do many believers rob God?  In Tithes and Offerings (Mal 3:6-12)  Do other Believers assemble each other, if not they also go against Scripture.  Some Believers who seem to talk with authority, neglect these two simple truths, they rob God, and they are not accountable to other Believers.  If this is the case, can we believe these some who think they talk with authority.  Bonkers.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Hmmm. I find the law of circumcision on the opposite page in some bibles as the first mention of the tithe.  Yet Paul was sure: if people in the Gentile church insisted on circumcision (because it was law) , then the blood of Jesus would become of no affect: they were then under the obligation of following the WHOLE LAW. 

Could it be today, that if people tithe because they imagine it is law to them, then they are putting themselves under a curse because they are then required to do the ENTIRE law?

As a part of the Gentile church, we must be VERY careful what we pull from the Old TEstament and follow, thinking it is law to us. 

The truth is, the New Testament saint is under sowing and reaping. 

2 Corinthians 9:6

But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

[iamlamad]

8 hours ago, childoftheking said:

 

The marriage takes place during the 1,000 year reign.   That does not happen until AFTER TRIBULATION!!

So, you are willing to rearrange Revelation to make a theory fit?  If so, your theory will be proven wrong. 

The truth is, it was TIME for the marriage right when John SAID IT or wrote it.  Now you wish to change what John wrote. It is not a wise thing to do!

have you not read of the many people who have been to heaven and returned to tell, how they SAW the preparations for the supper? Tables set, lined up along the river of life, as far as the eye could see! It will take a lot of tables, for the number will be TOO GREAT to number. Not one person, not two people, but MANY have testified of seeing the preparations. the last few have been told the preparations are finished: heaven is only waiting for the Father to tell the Son, it is TIME: go get the Bride!

Since their testimony fits perfectly with the written word, of course I believe them. 

You are right in one small way: the time John gives for the marriage is indeed after the days of tribulation.  The actual days of tribulation will be cut short, but the Beast will still get his 42 months: that is a promise. God does not break promises.  It is written and God does not break His written word. The marriage comes AFTER the "trib" or 70th week, and before Jesus descends. Change this and you are rearranging the book, and there is a warning.

[iamlamad]

8 hours ago, childoftheking said:

 

Your first mistake is believing Tribulation means WRATH!!

You refuse to consult an actual Messianic Jew, on the bases you toss out the "God told me theory."  Every Jew knows the WRATH of God begins at Armageddon and Ends at final Judgement to the Lake of Fire.   You just obviously hate facts!!

One of your many mistakes is just not believing John. He shows us plainly that the wrath of God  - as in the DAY of His wrath, will begin at the 6th seal. Therefore every trumpet judgment will come with His wrath. And for SURE the vials are filled with His wrath. 

Perhaps you have a different definition of "tribulation" than the rest of the church: it would not surprise me.  Are you teachable?

Not carefully Jesus words:

Matthew 24:29

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Note how Jesus used the words, "The tribulation." Many people today use these two words in the same way. So if we back up in matthew 24 we should get a hint as to what "the tribulation" is. In verse 15, Jesus speaks of the abomination of Desolation. Daniel 12 speaks of the abomination that makes desolate. Daniel 9 does also, speaking of the 70th week. Therefore, in spite of what you have been taught at seminaries, Daniel and Jesus make it clear there is coming in our future an abomination and when those in judea see it, they will flee. We see that fleeing in Rev. 12. Therefore the abomination that will divide the future week is just before Rev. 12:6.

Therefore, the future 70th week is MOST DEFINITELY in Revelation. It begins with the 7th seal and ends with the 7th vial. No amount of doubt on your part will change this truth. Since the DAY of His wrath begins just before the future 70th week, then the ENTIRE WEEK is His wrath. It is also "the tribulation." The days of GT that Jesus spoke of will begin right after the midpoint but get worse after the image and mark are enforced. The beheaded from the days of GT will begin to show up in heaven in chapter 15. So the DAYS of GREAT TRIBULATION according to John start after the warning in Rev. 14 and continue on until God SHORTENS those days by pouring out the vials of His wrath. 

The truth then is that God's wrath will be ALL THROUGH the 70th week or if you chose to call it "the tribulation" His wrath will be all through the tribulation.

Not carefully, when Satan's wrath is at its peak, and the Beast's killing machine is at its peak, THEN God begins pouring out the vials. So the truth is, God's wrath comes at the same time as Satan's wrath.

This is all plainly written and you should already know these things.

Every Jew knows the WRATH of God begins at Armageddon  Sorry, but most "Jews" have never read the New Testament on their own. (Some may have been forced to read it in school.) But they DON'T read Revelation. 

OF COURSE Jesus is angry at Armageddon, but the Father's wrath were in the PREVIOUS vials that are poured out before the week ends.  Therefore I find you in error once again, following tradition or man's theories rather than the written word.

[iamlamad]

8 hours ago, childoftheking said:

 

I have no preconceptions...I am here to LEARN.   I will be the first to proclaim, I am only a STUDENT of the Word of God.   But there are those, who actually understand better, than you want to acknowledge.  And your premises is that God told you.   Well that cannot be when the prophets wrote otherwise and they align with what Yeshua proclaimed in Matthew 24.   This "End Time" topic has been around way longer than 2,000 years, we see where even Moses mentions it 4,250 years ago.   You really need to research the Hebrew, that is where the TRUTH actually can be found!!

You keep saying what I say is against the written word. Don't say it, PROVE it! show us line upon line where anything I have written is against the prophets. 

I think what you MEAN to say is, what I write is against your theories of what the prophets have said. 

Take for example, the marriage and supper: John tells us the time has come, but in insist on rewriting it to a later time. Why would you do this? It is simple, what is written does not fit your theory! 

My friend, I have a novel idea: throw away your theories and this time form new theories from what is written - exactly!. There is no need to rearrange anything in Revelation. The truth is, the raptured church is ALREADY in heaven in Rev. 19  - there for the marriage  - BEFORE Jesus descends. When did they arrive? That too is simple: the raptured church arrived in heaven just a short time before John saw that great crowd too large to number. Therefore the church will have been in heaven all the way from chapter 7 to chapter 19 - where we come back WITH CHRIST as part of His armies.

[iamlamad]

9 hours ago, childoftheking said:

Yeshua spoke Aramaic/Hebrew.   That was evident when he healed the young girl, when He cried out quoting Psalms on the Cross.   But no, God speaks to me in my native language, like He does to everyone of other languages.

I suggest you use a real translation of the Hebrew to see where Yeshua, Paul, and John were actually speaking from.   These prophecies were originally spoken by several prophets before we see them in the New Testament.   And the Hebrew meanings are opposite, of what you claim, since you are going strictly off the New Testament Greek!!

You need to consult a Messianic Jew, who knows these scriptures, better than you know the mistranslated English version.

As a matter of fact, there are study bibles today that show us when something in the New Testament is quoted from the Old. 

It is also a fact that Paul wrote in Greek. The letters to the churches were written in Greek. Today we have many different Greek manuscripts, but no originals. 

The thing is, one can read Rev 12 is any of a dozen translations and they all show us the same thing: the first 5 verses are talking about how Satan used King Herod to try and kill Jesus. And in all translations it is easy to see that the rest of chapter 12 is about the dragon and what he will be doing during the last half of the future 70th week. 

ANY translation of chapter 7 shows us the great crowd is simply too large to number. 

ANY  Translation of Rev. 19 shows us that the time for the marriage and then the time for the supper comes BEFORE Jesus gets on His white horse to descend. 

I think then, you are just making a side step.