The Olivet Discourse

[The Light]

23 hours ago, iamlamad said:

For the readers: Lamad had been saying all along that this vision of chapters 4 & 5 were a look back in history.  The Light said that could not be because of this word, hereafter.

Question for "the Light" and for all readers: DID God show John things of the hereafter, in chapters 6 through 22?  You all KNOW the answer is a resounding YES!  In other word, God did EXACTLY what He said here in this word, "hereafter."

This word does not answer whether or not God could add some history to his foretelling. It only tells us God is going to show John some future events.  Some people's imaginations can imagine most anything.  One thing we know John did NOT write: He did not write, " things which must be" [ONLY] "hereafter."

If God had said that, then when would have been bound by His own words and would not have been able to show some history with the future. God did not use this word "only" so He could very well insert some history in with the future he was showing John. 

This is not that difficult a concept, Light. Again you amaze me.  No, my friend, it is not me adding: YOU are adding when you say this verse and the word "hereafter" would prevent God from using some history. I am only showing you that you are adding an only, but it goes right over your head.  Try again: the word hereafter is what God MUST show John: it says nothing about what God cannot show John. In fact, God Did show John things hereafter. I am amazed you don't see that. How long have you been using English?

 

Total malarkey. It's no wonder that you have no concept of the Word of God. You just imagine what ever you want, not matter what the Word says. Hereafter means hereafter and nothing else. Put your imagination in box and throw away the key.

 

[The Light]

5 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Well, I know now that I can't take anything you write seriously. You know as well as I know that God DID show John things hereafter.  God satisfied that statement.

Where you miss it is even THINKING that verse says God count not add some history for clarity.

I understand, when you can't argue from scripture, you just ramble.

Let's get back to your 10 confirmations of scripture. That was enjoyable the way out of nowhere you come up with a conclusion. Oh to be trapped with your imagination would be a tough row to hoe. When you dream up whatever you want the scripture to say you got to be clueless. Words mean what they mean, not what you imagine they mean.

[iamlamad]

2 minutes ago, The Light said:

Let's get back to your 10 confirmations of scripture. That was enjoyable the way out of nowhere you come up with a conclusion. Oh to be trapped with your imagination would be a tough row to hoe. When you dream up whatever you want the scripture to say you got to be clueless. Words mean what they mean, not what you imagine they mean.

Pick any verse in chapters 4 && 5 and will can discuss it.

[iamlamad]

10 minutes ago, The Light said:

Total malarkey. It's no wonder that you have no concept of the Word of God. You just imagine what ever you want, not matter what the Word says. Hereafter means hereafter and nothing else. Put your imagination in box and throw away the key.

You are still trying to add an "ONLY" there. I keep telling you it is NOT THERE.

Can you admit that God certainly did show John things from John's future - in fact many things?

[The Light]

32 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Pick any verse in chapters 4 && 5 and will can discuss it.

Okay,

Rev 5

⁹ And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

¹⁰ And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

Here we see the Church already in heaven and you want to run the clock back to 32 AD even though John was shown the things that will occur after the Gospel is already being spread across the earth.

[The Light]

33 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

You are still trying to add an "ONLY" there. I keep telling you it is NOT THERE.

Can you admit that God certainly did show John things from John's future - in fact many things?

I keep telling you that I am not adding only. God added only when He said he would show John the things that will happen hereafter. You are changing the meaning of words. Is there a Iamlamad dictionary somewhere or is it just a free for all.

[iamlamad]

49 minutes ago, The Light said:

I keep telling you that I am not adding only. God added only when He said he would show John the things that will happen hereafter. You are changing the meaning of words. Is there a Iamlamad dictionary somewhere or is it just a free for all.

In your imagination!  He DID show John things hereafter; but He chose to show John some things in history too.

I know what hereafter means. God DID show John MANY things in the hereafter.

[iamlamad]

53 minutes ago, The Light said:

Okay,

Rev 5

⁹ And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

¹⁰ And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

Here we see the Church already in heaven and you want to run the clock back to 32 AD even though John was shown the things that will occur after the Gospel is already being spread across the earth.

You live in a dream world. No, the church is not already in heaven. You IMAGINE that because of the Elders. God showed John a time when Jesus was NOT at the right hand of God, and was NOT found worthy to take the book. You want to ignore that.

 

[The Light]

11 hours ago, iamlamad said:

In your imagination!  He DID show John things hereafter; but He chose to show John some things in history too.

I know what hereafter means. God DID show John MANY things in the hereafter.

No, it won't work. Your misuse of the English language is left wanting.

[The Light]

11 hours ago, iamlamad said:

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You live in a dream world. No, the church is not already in heaven. You IMAGINE that because of the Elders.

Must be really getting to you. Your imagination is running loose again. Now you are imagining that I am imagining. Maybe you can tell me how those 24 elders can be redeemed out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation. The 24 elders are speaking for themselves and the Church or there are only 24 kindred's and tongue's and people, and nation's. Since we know that there are more than 24 nations and kindred's etc we can draw a proper conclusion based on the proper use of the English language. So go ahead and come up with your imaginary explanation.

Rev 5

⁸ And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

⁹ And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

 

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God showed John a time when Jesus was NOT at the right hand of God, and was NOT found worthy to take the book. You want to ignore that.

You have imagined a scenario that goes contrary to scripture. Hereafter means hereafter, not what you imagine it means. Additionally, I am ignoring nothing. You are disagreeing with scripture by saying that Jesus was not worthy from the beginning. Jesus is God and has ALWAYS BEEN WORTHY.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1

¹⁴ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.