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This is one of the most critical aspects of the Gospel and Bible truth. Scripture says that without the shedding of blood there is no remission (of sins). In other words, our sins could never have been forgiven if Christ -- who is God -- had not shed His blood. Indeed poured out His blood (which also had to be applied to the Mercy Seat in Heaven in order to make it "the throne of grace").

So when we believe on Christ and His finished work of redemption, God applies His blood to our souls, and they are washed free from the guilt as well as the defilement of sins. The term "washed in His blood" is to be taken literally and in the sense of a supernatural work of God. It is also crucial to understand that the death of Christ and the shed blood of Christ are distinct aspects of the finished work of Christ, and the shed blood cannot be simply equated with the death of Christ.

The connection between the shed blood of the Lamb of God and our cleansing goes back to Divine justice and Divine holiness. Divine justice (which is absolute) demands that a penalty be paid for every sin. That penalty was paid for all mankind by the sufferings and death of Christ. At the same time Divine holiness demands that the guilty sinner approach a holy God cleansed from all his defilement. 

Since water cannot wash away our sins, it is the blood of God the Son (Acts 20: 28) that God the Father applies to every sinner. Then He clothes us with the absolute righteousness of Christ. Thus we can approach His throne of grace with the knowledge that not only have our sins been forgiven, but our defilement and guilt have been removed. Therefore the blood of Christ is also the purchase price of our redemption.

The reason why hundreds and thousands of animals were sacrificed daily and at stated times within the Old Covenant was to demonstrate the necessity of the shedding of the blood of an innocent creature for the sins of a guilty creature. God showed this to Adam and then throughout His dealings with the Hebrews, until the Lamb of God came to this earth to put an end to animal sacrifices and the shedding of sacrificial blood.

When Isaac asked Abraham about the lamb to be sacrificed on Mount Moriah, Abraham said to him by Divine inspiration "My son, God will provide Himself a lamb for a burnt offering" (Gen 22:8). But before the offering could be burned, its blood was to be shed. Now there is no more sacrifice for sins. This also tells us that the bloodless sacrifice of the Roman Catholic Mass is in violation of God's provision for our sins.


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This a very difficult subject, and I respect your effort and the time you have put into researching this subject.

But if we have to take in to account many of the numerous examples that took place before the Cross we may see that it was not about the forgiveness of sins, as it was most important of all to have the life of God imputed to us. 

In simple words the Israelites before the Cross had forgiveness of sins, but they did not have the life of God. 

How it was possible an animal they had raised them self's, and still with it's perfection, and the devotes receiving the perfection of the animal, their names cover by the blood of this perfect animal.

Been viewed by God through the perfection of the blood of this animal, as long as they remain perfect.

Not all the time for the duration of that year, but as long as they remain perfect.

For if they sin, their sin was counded against them, and they had to offer another sacrifice for this particular sin to make them self's perfect again.

Just to make something  clear. At this perfect state no one had the life of God in them, not even the priest, or even the High Priest who stand before the Lord to do the service in the most Holly Place, they were still separated from God, and all this in the circle of one year.

The sacrifice of Jesus and the benefits through his blood is not to be confused with the benefits of the old sacrifices of the animals.

First of all he was raised with us, and he was perfect at the time of the Cross, but he is not an animal, he is the Son of God, he had God's life in him, unlikely the rest of us who had the life of Adam after his separation from God. ( even thought the Israelites had been seperated from the rest of the world, they still had spiritual separation from God, a divider, a wall that the sacrifices of the Temple can not tear down.

So God can be with us here on earth, and we can be with him in heaven. 

Jesus was raised from the dead and he was ascended in to Heavens given to him as his inheritance by the Father. 

Been under the blood of the Attonment of Jesus Christ is not the same as in the old, for when we sin we still remain under the blood of Jesus Christ, nothing can take us from the blood of Jesus Christ. As long as we believe.

About our sins while we are under the blood of Jesus, it may effect our relationship with him, but as we see in the parable of the lost sheep, the shepherd said this sheep is mine, even thought is far away from the rest, it stays away from me, he is afraid even thinking of me, then I must go to him and bring my fellowship and comfort to him, tell him that he is my own. 

 

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Blessings Ezra,,,,,

    Very beautiful OP,,,,,,,,,,,except one thing,may I ?

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This also tells us that the bloodless sacrifice of the Roman Catholic Mass is in violation of God's provision for our sins.

I am not catholic & I do not defend any of the teachings of the RCC so please do not mis-interpret what I am about to say,,,,,,,,there are a multitude of things I can tell you that are false teachings,having been born to an Italian Catholic family,raised as a catholic and went on to a private school taught by semi cloysters from the Dorothean order of the RCC,for over 12 years ,,,,,,BUT,mass is always inclusive of the communion(Body & Blood of Christ)and doing it in "Remembrance" of His Blood Sacrifice for us,,,,,,,,,I cannot say the mass exlcudes the Precious Blood of Jesus,that is truly what the "mass" is (supposed to be) all about,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 I am sure(& know of) many many catholics who are Born Again Christians,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,there have many faults in what they preach  as do so many denominations & yet God Reveals Himself to those who earnestly seek Him & through that Blood,that Precious Precious Blood,they are Saved by God Grace through Faith in Jesus,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,                                          With love-in Christ,Kwik


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5 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

But if we have to take in to account many of the numerous examples that took place before the Cross we may see that it was not about the forgiveness of sins, as it was most important of all to have the life of God imputed to us. 

You say "we may see that it was not about the forgiveness of sins".  Until the Cross sins were"covered" through the sacrifices. After the Cross sins were "taken away".  But it was always about the forgiveness of sins.

Since this thread is about the blood of Christ, why do you make such a misleading statement on such an important matter? If you do not agree (or do not understand) then it is better to remain silent than mislead others.

So that everyone is clear that the shed blood of Christ is indeed about the forgiveness of sins, as well as the cleansing of the sinner (which can only happen after sins are forgiven) we must go to the Word of God: 

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.  If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:  And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 Jn 1:7-2:2).


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8 minutes ago, Ezra said:

You say "we may see that it was not about the forgiveness of sins".  Until the Cross sins were"covered" through the sacrifices. After the Cross sins were "taken away".  But it was always about the forgiveness of sins.

Since this thread is about the blood of Christ, why do you make such a misleading statement on such an important matter? If you do not agree (or do not understand) then it is better to remain silent than mislead others.

So that everyone is clear that the shed blood of Christ is indeed about the forgiveness of sins, as well as the cleansing of the sinner (which can only happen after sins are forgiven) we must go to the Word of God: 

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.  If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:  And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 Jn 1:7-2:2).

The Christian faith it is, but is not only about the forgiveness sins,

Actually and it is the truth that the Christian faith takes away the fear of sin.

We are under th . Blood of Jesus, and the truth is that when we sin we still remain under the blood of Jesus, in other words our sins are not counted against us. We still belong to God. 

Jesus is our peace with God.


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On March 25, 2016 at 2:00 PM, kwikphilly said:

Blessings Ezra,,,,,

    Very beautiful OP,,,,,,,,,,,except one thing,may I ?

I am not catholic & I do not defend any of the teachings of the RCC so please do not mis-interpret what I am about to say,,,,,,,,there are a multitude of things I can tell you that are false teachings,having been born to an Italian Catholic family,raised as a catholic and went on to a private school taught by semi cloysters from the Dorothean order of the RCC,for over 12 years ,,,,,,BUT,mass is always inclusive of the communion(Body & Blood of Christ)and doing it in "Remembrance" of His Blood Sacrifice for us,,,,,,,,,I cannot say the mass exlcudes the Precious Blood of Jesus,that is truly what the "mass" is (supposed to be) all about,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 I am sure(& know of) many many catholics who are Born Again Christians,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,there have many faults in what they preach  as do so many denominations & yet God Reveals Himself to those who earnestly seek Him & through that Blood,that Precious Precious Blood,they are Saved by God Grace through Faith in Jesus,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,                                          With love-in Christ,Kwik

Shalom, kwikphilly.

Well said, sister! I also know better than to trust in any particular denomination or faction. God's "unwarranted" justification of individuals cuts across ALL denomination distinctions. There are justified and unjustified individuals in practically EVERY denomination or faction! Granted, some denominations have more of one than the other, there is absolutely NO denomination that has 100% of its members being "born-again Christians."

HOWEVER, in ALL generations recorded in the OT or the NT, it was by God's grace, through faith, by blood.


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Blessings closestfriendt

I must stress the point that Brother Ezra is making because it is so so so very important

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So that everyone is clear that the shed blood of Christ is indeed about the forgiveness of sins, as well as the cleansing of the sinner (which can only happen after sins are forgiven) we must go to the Word of God: 

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.  If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:  And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 Jn 1:7-2:2).

True indeed that we remain under the Blood of Jesus(Born Again Christians) in that our spirit has the guaranteed Seal of Redemption,,,,,,,,as Jesus said,"IF & I emphasize "IF,,,,,,you love me then you will follow my commandments",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,So do we keep on sinning?I think the Understanding that we are RECONCILED to our Father because we have a truly REPENTANT heart ,have earnestly asked forgiveness ,receive & believe WHO Jesus is & know that only by His Precious Blood (His Finished work on the Cross)are we under Gods Grace,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Do you think the person that keeps on living sinfully truly,earnestly loves Christ? I believe if one sins with the attitude that they can do whatever they please because we are "forgiven"& take for granted the Precious GIFT of Salvation may not have truly received Jesus,,,,I'm not sure,,,,,,,,we do know them BY THEIR FRUITS

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By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.                     1 Cor 15:2

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Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.                                                                                                   Phil 2:12
 

It is all about the BLOOD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:                             Eph 2:8

                                      Praise Jesus & to God be the Glory                          With love-in Christ,Kwik


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On 25/03/2016 at 0:00 PM, kwikphilly said:

cannot say the mass exlcudes the Precious Blood of Jesus,that is truly what the "mass" is (supposed to be) all about,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Sister Kwik,

What I was trying to say is that the RCC belief about "the host" (bread) is that it is a real and true sacrifice (please see below).  Since no blood comes out of the "the host" and yet it is claimed to really be Christ, it becomes a "bloodless sacrifice".  Since non-Catholics reject this concept they are under a curse (anathema).

That is the sense of a clause from the Council of Trent (Sess. XXII, can. 1): "If any one saith that in the Mass a true and proper sacrifice is not offered to God; or, that to be offered is nothing else but that Christ is given us to eat; let him be anathema". 


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On 25/03/2016 at 5:02 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

The Christian faith it is, but is not only about the forgiveness sins,

I am amazed that you continue to avoid the meaning of the shed blood of Christ (which is the subject of this thread).  It is not about "the Christian faith" per se, but about the significance of the blood of Christ in relation to the forgiveness or remission of sins.  Many Christians do not fully understand this doctrine.


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5 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Sister Kwik,

What I was trying to say is that the RCC belief about "the host" (bread) is that it is a real and true sacrifice (please see below).  Since no blood comes out of the "the host" and yet it is claimed to really be Christ, it becomes a "bloodless sacrifice".  Since non-Catholics reject this concept they are under a curse (anathema).

That is the sense of a clause from the Council of Trent (Sess. XXII, can. 1): "If any one saith that in the Mass a true and proper sacrifice is not offered to God; or, that to be offered is nothing else but that Christ is given us to eat; let him be anathema". 

are you a roman catholic, ? member,? Ezra,

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