Preterism and the OT...proof.

[Montana Marv]

12 minutes ago, completedbeliever1 said:

Very prideful man you are...

No, not prideful, I am a sinner and I still sin, and I ask for forgiveness.  What about you?

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

thereselittleflower

This is just in response to inheriting the Land.

Abraham was promised a people (Israel), a seed (Jesus Christ), and a Land.  So Daniels and Israels allotted inheritance is the Land or a portion of the Land by Tribe.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[thereselittleflower]

14 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

No, not prideful, I am a sinner and I still sin, and I ask for forgiveness.  What about you?

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Only pride induces one to compare themselves to others, especially about matters that require humility.

 

1 minute ago, Montana Marv said:

thereselittleflower

This is just in response to inheriting the Land.

Abraham was promised a people (Israel), a seed (Jesus Christ), and a Land.  So Daniels and Israels allotted inheritance is the Land or a portion of the Land by Tribe.

In Christ

Montana Marv

I don't see anything about inheriting the land in the passage you used.

 

[ricky]

Point of order! The Battle of Hastings was 1066, not 1069.

[n2thelight]

6 hours ago, completedbeliever1 said:

When does the change take place?  
"You be transformed, by renewing your mind." 
Once you change your thinking, then you will be thinking like a spiritual person.  Then you will be "changed".
Enoch was transformed AFTER Methuselah was born.  Why?  Because something took place for him to "walk with YAH, AFTER Methuselah was born". He believed and his belief saved him.  He prophesied, and was a believer.

The change is from flesh to spirit,all will go through this, regardless of if their mind is right or not....You call it spiritual thinking,scripture says the body(flesh)is changed also....And still I have no answer as to why there is still death in the world....

 

The change takes place at the return of Christ,weather or not your mind is right,has nothing to do with the change..

The only difference in that change,is weather your soul will be mortal or immortal......

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 26, 2015 by n2thelight

[thereselittleflower]

2 hours ago, n2thelight said:

The change is from flesh to spirit,all will go through this, regardless of if their mind is right or not....You call it spiritual thinking,scripture says the body(flesh)is changed also....And still I have no answer as to why there is still death in the world....

 

The change takes place at the return of Christ,weather or not your mind is right,has nothing to do with the change..

The only difference in that change,is weather your soul will be mortal or immortal......

 

 

 

 

 

Well, not exactly.   This change does not take place at the return of Christ.  It is a process of change that is to be taking place right now.  This is what the scripture actually says.

 

• Rom 12:2

  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Greek verbs have tense, mood and voice, not just tense.   The three together tell us a great deal about what the writer or speaker was saying and intending.

Paul was not talking about some future transformation.  He was talking about a process that goes on in the present.

"be ye transformed" - the verb "transformed" is 

• μεταμορφόω metamorphoō
• Tense: Present
• Voice: Passive
• Mood: Imperative

So the tense is "present" not future - so this transformation is supposed to be happening now.

The voice is "passive" which means it is something that is done to us.  We are the recipient of this transformation.  So God accomplishes this, and as we see above, He accomplishes this in the present.

The mood is "imperative" which makes this a command - we are to submit ourselves to God and His transforming power - NOW in the PRESENT  - not wait for a final future date.

And it has everything to do with our mind.

And why is this transformation of our mind commanded to take place now, in the present?

So we may prove what is the acceptable will of the Father  -  "prove" is also in the present tense - so NOW.

If you are not submitting yourself and your mind to be transformed now, then you are being disobedient to this command of scripture.

 

 

[n2thelight]

9 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

Well, not exactly.   This change does not take place at the return of Christ.  It is a process of change that is to be taking place right now.  This is what the scripture actually says.

 

• Rom 12:2

  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Greek verbs have tense, mood and voice, not just tense.   The three together tell us a great deal about what the writer or speaker was saying and intending.

Paul was not talking about some future transformation.  He was talking about a process that goes on in the present.

"be ye transformed" - the verb "transformed" is

• μεταμορφόω metamorphoō
• Tense: Present
• Voice: Passive
• Mood: Imperative

So the tense is "present" not future - so this transformation is supposed to be happening now.

The voice is "passive" which means it is something that is done to us.  We are the recipient of this transformation.  So God accomplishes this, and as we see above, He accomplishes this in the present.

The mood is "imperative" which makes this a command - we are to submit ourselves to God and His transforming power - NOW in the PRESENT  - not wait for a final future date.

And it has everything to do with our mind.

And why is this transformation of our mind commanded to take place now, in the present?

So we may prove what is the acceptable will of the Father  -  "prove" is also in the present tense - so NOW.

If you are not submitting yourself and your mind to be transformed now, then you are being disobedient to this command of scripture.

 

 

Two totally different things...The change in Corinth is a change from flesh to spirit,not a change of mind....This change will happen to ALL irregardless to one's mind....

your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

"This world" doesn't mean the ground that we walk on, but in the Greek tongue "world" is "aion", the world society, and the way that the world does things. We are not to conform to the pattern, or fashion that is set by the world standards for our lives, because the one that sets those standards is the prince of this world, Satan.

We are not to conform to those things that the world considers a way of doing business, of bribery, stealing, lying, and you can probably run the list as long as I can, but those things are of Satan. When you become a new creature in Christ, not only your soul and spirit become changed, but you are to transform, or change our minds also. That means the way that you think and say things, and the standards that you set for ourselves. Upon repentance of your sins and your belief in Jesus Christ, even your goals change. All those things that once were important are just not that important any more. Then what is important are the things that are important to our heavenly Father.

God's "Will" is given to us through His Word by the prophets, disciples, and even through His own words while He walked on this earth. That is His Will, and the Will of God is perfect. When you strive to live within the Will of God in all that you do and say, then you are in His perfect Will. It doesn't mean that you won't fall short, for all men and women in the flesh bodies will fall short, but that is what the freedom that we have in Christ is all about. When we sin and we repent those sins to Him "in Jesus' name", then He is faithful and just to forgive us of those sins, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. This is a daily thing, it is also hourly and to that very moment that you are living, for it is our way of life, totally committed to living our lives as a "living sacrifice unto God".

Your "transforming" takes place within your mind and not your spirit, for God does the transforming there. It becomes your "duty" change your mind, and this is done by seeking the knowledge of God. You can only renew your mind when the knowledge of God's Word is placed there, and you place it there when you get into His holy Word and study it.

Then you become a "sacrifice" for God, and as a sacrifice, it is not for your pleasure that the sacrifice is made, but the one that the sacrifice is made to. As we live in our local communities, there are many different local customs that we must respect, in order to have the people in that community to see Christ in us. Jesus walked in His local community, and he left the church of that day and He walked down where there were a bunch of sinners. Jesus was not afraid to talk or even eat with them. They were the ones that Jesus came into the world to save. Remember those self-righteous hypocrites were all wrapped up in them selves and seeking their traditions to save them.

Come on and get real, Christianity is not a religion, it is a reality in the way we live our lives. You can't help people if you are not where they are at. The point is that you just don't conform to what they are doing, but transform them by the example that you set before them. You don't have to say a word, but by your example you can be a wealth of information to them, as they struggle in their problems. It is while in their presence that you plant the seeds of truth, that the Holy Spirit can work and make your thoughts grow in their minds. If they think you are a nut and off your rocker, why would they ever listen to anything you have to say. You live the life that they can see is credible, and God will place the time for your planting of the seed, when His time is ready.

 

Again, not the same thing!!!!!!!!

Paul said we have two bodies,not two minds

[Montana Marv]

n2thelight

James 1:6-8 - But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave tossed by the wind.  That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord, he is a double minded man, unstable in all he does.

We have one physical body.  We have two wanting control of the soul.  Carnal Man (influenced by Satan) and Spiritual Man (influenced by the Holy Spirit)

In Christ

Montana Marv

[n2thelight]

14 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

n2thelight

James 1:6-8 - But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave tossed by the wind.  That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord, he is a double minded man, unstable in all he does.

We have one physical body.  We have two wanting control of the soul.  Carnal Man (influenced by Satan) and Spiritual Man (influenced by the Holy Spirit)

In Christ

Montana Marv

Yes,we have one physical body(flesh) however the soul is within

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

There is a natural body, which is your flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is "raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which houses your spirit within you.

Your spirit never leaves your soul, even at the death of your flesh body. Satan does not have any power over your spiritual body, but only your flesh body. Man and Satan can tare this flesh body to peaces and cause you to do all sorts of things, but no-one can damage your soul, not man, not Satan nor the angels. God is the only one that can destroy the soul and that comes at the end of the Millennium age, following judgment. However through deception Satan can cause you to sin against God, and thus be in trouble before the Almighty God. But that is why we have repentance in the name of Jesus to become right-standing before the Father again.

It just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here. You have two bodies, the flesh and the spiritual bodies. When the flesh body dies, then the spiritual body is awakened and come alive within itself. It starts to live a life without the baggage of the flesh body confining it to the limits of the flesh.

The spirit side is the one trying to overcome the flesh.....

[Montana Marv]

9 hours ago, n2thelight said:

t just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here. You have two bodies, the flesh and the spiritual bodies. When the flesh body dies, then the spiritual body is awakened and come alive within itself. It starts to live a life without the baggage of the flesh body confining it to the limits of the fles

n2thelight

So when our fleshly body dies, our spiritual body is awakened.  Wow I did not know that.  So what you are saying is that the Spirit which is now in you is asleep.  And cannot waken until you die.  Where can I get more of this teaching.

In Christ

Montana Marv