Preterism and the OT...proof.

[completedbeliever1]

21 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

What was the significance of the star of Bethlehem reappearing on June 30th 2015.  Who was born??  And who followed it??

I'm not going to watch 1 hour plus video downloads.

In Christ

Montana Marv

BTW, Preterism is false.  The 70th Week is yet unfulfilled as a prophecy.  Dan 12:13 - As for you, (Daniel) go your way till the end.  You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.   And this is after the 30 days and 45 days following the A/D.  So has Daniel risen to receive his part of the Land.

Ezk 37 - fulfilled May 14, 1948,  The Seals, Trumpets and Bowl Judgment of Revelation; ALL yet to be fulfilled.

This was the time from 66 A.D. to 1066 A.D. that I was talking about.  This is the church age.  Just like it was the "Israel" age after the tribe of Judah defeated Jerusalem, and burned the city.  That age ended when Nebuchadnezzar came and took over, exactly 1000 years later.  From 1066 until 1070, (3.5 years) there were uprisings that were quelled in 1070.  This all took place after the church in the east had peace...for the 1000 years after 70 A.D.

Edited December 23, 2015 by completedbeliever1

[completedbeliever1]

17 hours ago, Ezra said:

Let's say if 9 out of 10 Christians reject Preterism, should that not be considered evidence that the Holy Spirit also rejects Preterism? I'm not sure about percentages but I would hazard a guess that at least 95% of believers reject Preterism.  And we're not talking simply about the majority being right. It is about a host of unfulfilled prophecies waiting to be fulfilled.

 

9 out of 10 Hebrews rejected Yashua.  So what is your point exactly?  Your "holy spirit" rejects preterism.
The whole thing is to be done by us.  We have the book to make all things better here in earth, but we dont do it because we wait for god to come back to take care of it.  He gave us discernment, and wisdom, and knowledge.  We need to be taking care of all things ourselves.  We need to be living the Acts chapter 2 life.  We need to be living spiritually, but we still live in the carnal man.  

[completedbeliever1]

10 hours ago, OakWood said:

You do realise that events in the Bible are often warm-ups of things to come? Many things are symbolically repeated. Non-preterists understand this but preterists don't and seem to think they have grasped something that nobody else understands. Congratulations on spotting parallels of things that are yet to happen, but a lot of us already knew this. I'm pretty sure that if you search Worthy archives you'll find threads where we have discussed such things before.

If you actually read the Bible you would also spot many other examples of this. Some say that the story of Joseph in Genesis represents the coming of Christ, but nobody would seriously believe that Joseph was the actual Messiah. All you have done is given us a list of events that mimic future events. As I have already said, if just one event has not happened yet, then preterism is a false doctrine!

IF you followed the discussion from the beginning, you would have seen that I wrote about types, symbols, shadows, and patterns.  They are an example.  They are also fulfilled because everything in the OT points to Yashua.  
I will go out on a limb and say this...if everything in the OT points to Yashua, (Jesus) then why do christians have a problem?  Did Yashua do what he came to do? Did he rise from the dead?  Did he say that he would never forsake us, or leave us wanting?  
"If you actually read the Bible..."  That is a little rude.  I am sure you do not think it is rude, and are simply saying this because I have attacked your belief system, or whatever, but it is rude.  Everything flows from OT to NT in order.  The OT pattern is finished in Yashua.  I do not understand how you can use the word "mimic" and not get what you typed.  Moses/Yashua, Joshua/Titus, 1000 years for Israel until Nebuchadnezzar, 1000 years for the church until Hastings.  That is how it works. 

[Montana Marv]

40 minutes ago, completedbeliever1 said:

You were the one who wanted to know who the "weird lawyer" was.  So I gave you the video, but again, you have a problem.  "I'm not going to watch 1 hour plus video downloads." That is not my problem.  I gave evidence, and you ignore it like JohnD.  
BTW, preterism is not false.  The 70th week is over.  ALL fulfilled because Yashua rose from the dead.  The thousand years is over from 70 A.D. to 1070 A. D.  Just follow the OT pattern from the time the tribe of Judah defeated Jerusalem, and burned it, to Nebuchadnezzar, and then from Titus to the battle of Hastings.  
It is exact.  And no, I am not going to post everything because it would take several weeks, and you probably wouldnt read it anyway.  Why do I say that?  Because you have a problem watching a 1 hour video...

The Thousand years begins when Jesus Christ returns to the Mt of Olives.  He rules with a rod of iron at that time.  Satan is bound for this 1000 year period.  The Lamb and Wolf lie down together, and the leopard with the goat, and the calf and the lion.  The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down with each other; The lion will eat straw like the ox,.....  Isa 11:6-8.

Following the 1000 years Satan is released and musters an army from around the world and attacks Jerusalem the city.  Satan and all who follow him are destroyed.  Then the New Earth and the New Heaven followed by the New Jerusalem.  This is the Truth right out of the Bible.

You really don't have a grasp of the Truth of the Bible.  What you post is 180 degrees from what Scripture reveals.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[completedbeliever1]

18 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Every scripture I use is spiritulized away but one that can't be is the change....No matter how you try you can't change the meaning of the below..

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

Seems to me that,preterism holds a view that nothing changes until death,meaning everything just continues  on earth as well as heaven...

So here's my bottom line ,we should not now be in flesh bodies had Christ returned.....

One cannot change that verse to mean anything but what it says

 

My question to the OP,why are we still in flesh bodies?

Let us look at another person who was "changed"...
Genesis 5:24
Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.

Hebrews 11:5 - By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Deut. 34: 5 - 8 "So Moses the servant of YAHVAH died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of YAHVAH. And He buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth Peor; but no one knows his grave to this day. Moses, one hundred and twenty years old when he died." 

[Ezra]

1 hour ago, completedbeliever1 said:

We need to be living the Acts chapter 2 life.  We need to be living spiritually, but we still live in the carnal man.  

You won't get any argument on that score.  But the fact remains that this earth must be judged and cleansed, and only Christ can do that personally.  That is exactly what we find in the Bible. Christ will establish His literal, physical Kingdom on earth and there will be no evil and unrighteousness permitted.

[completedbeliever1]

19 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

The Thousand years begins when Jesus Christ returns to the Mt of Olives.  He rules with a rod of iron at that time.  Satan is bound for this 1000 year period.  The Lamb and Wolf lie down together, and the leopard with the goat, and the calf and the lion.  The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down with each other; The lion will eat straw like the ox,.....  Isa 11:6-8.

Following the 1000 years Satan is released and musters an army from around the world and attacks Jerusalem the city.  Satan and all who follow him are destroyed.  Then the New Earth and the New Heaven followed by the New Jerusalem.  This is the Truth right out of the Bible.

You really don't have a grasp of the Truth of the Bible.  What you post is 180 degrees from what Scripture reveals.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Sorry, your "In Christ" does not fool me.  Because you do not understand types, and symbols, patterns, and shadows, and how they are going to be fulfilled, it does not mean I"...don't have a grasp of the Truth of the Bible."  It means you see the carnal.  It means you live by the carnal.  This is not how we are supposed to live.  
Plus, how interesting that you copy and post about the 1000 years, but you dont copy and post about the resurrection.  
We have a new heaven, and a new earth.  "The kingdom of YAH does NOT come with sights to behold, the kingdom of YAH is WITH you."  Luke 17: 20, 21.  It is ALWAYS with us.  Is that hard to understand?  Yes, because when a person is living in the carnal, they do not understand the spiritual.  That is how it works... 
Satan is the carnal man, it is at enmity with YAH.  

[completedbeliever1]

18 hours ago, Ezra said:

You won't get any argument on that score.  But the fact remains that this earth must be judged and cleansed, and only Christ can do that personally.  That is exactly what we find in the Bible. Christ will establish His literal, physical Kingdom on earth and there will be no evil and unrighteousness permitted.

He already has his kingdom.  Look at Daniel 7.  Right after he left the disciples and the cloud took him out of their sight in Acts 1:9, we see Daniel watching the event from his time.  Verses 13, and 14 show that Daniel saw as the son of man came with the clouds of heaven, "TO" the Ancient of Days, and the clouds brought him near before him, (the ancient of days) and a kingdom was given to him, and so forth.   

[Montana Marv]

6 hours ago, completedbeliever1 said:

Sorry, your "In Christ" does not fool me.  Because you do not understand types, and symbols, patterns, and shadows, and how they are going to be fulfilled, it does not mean I"...don't have a grasp of the Truth of the Bible."  It means you see the carnal.  It means you live by the carnal.  This is not how we are supposed to live.  
Plus, how interesting that you copy and post about the 1000 years, but you dont copy and post about the resurrection.  
We have a new heaven, and a new earth.  "The kingdom of YAH does NOT come with sights to behold, the kingdom of YAH is WITH you."  Luke 17: 20, 21.  It is ALWAYS with us.  Is that hard to understand?  Yes, because when a person is living in the carnal, they do not understand the spiritual.  That is how it works... 
Satan is the carnal man, it is at enmity with YAH.  

I would have to say that you are not a complete believer as your handle indicates.  First of all the 1000 years is yet future when Christ returns to the Mt of Olives.  There is a time of peace, all animals are at peace with each other, none are carnivores.  Yet you say the 1000 years is long past.  This is a delusion on your part.  A False belief.  For if you believe this, you are the one who is in a carnal state.  And yes, you do not have a grasp of the Truth of the Bible.

Yet the Kingdom of Heaven is like....  But not like the present Kingdom here on Earth.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[FresnoJoe]

On ‎12‎/‎9‎/‎2015 at 9:15 PM, completedbeliever1 said:

The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. Joel 3:16 (King James Version)

The issue with this verse is that Yashua fulfilled it.  Why does everyone want to not believe that WE NEED TO BE SPIRITUAL??? Why is it so hard to understand this? How are we spiritual?  This scripture is a wonderful example of how the spirit works.  Physically, Yashua, (Jesus) looked weak, and spoke about things that the leaders, and others said was "strange doctrine".  But in the spirit, he was ROARING!  Out of Jerusalem, and through all of Israel.  

~

Really

Why do the nations gather together? Why do their people devise useless plots?
Kings take their stands. Rulers make plans together against the LORD and against his Messiah by saying,
"Let's break apart their chains and shake off their ropes."

The one enthroned in heaven laughs. The Lord makes fun of them.

Then he speaks to them in his anger. In his burning anger he terrifies them by saying,
"I have installed my own king on Zion, my holy mountain."

I will announce the LORD's decree. He said to me: "You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.
Ask me, and I will give you the nations as your inheritance and the ends of the earth as your own possession.

You will break them with an iron scepter.
You will smash them to pieces like pottery."

Now, you kings, act wisely.
Be warned, you rulers of the earth!

Serve the LORD with fear,
and rejoice with trembling.

Kiss the Son, or he will become angry and you will die on your way because his anger will burst into flames.
Blessed is everyone who takes refuge in him. Psalms 2 (GOD'S WORD® Translation)

Roaring

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
nd the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. Revelation 19:11-21

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Revelation 20:7-9

Really~!

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Revelation 6:14-17

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